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"Answering questions from other forums"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-02 AT 09:10 AM (EST)
 
Thor wants to know - - if someone used a stun gun to immoblize JonBenét, how did she then struggle for her life.

Simple.

She was asleep in her bed - - he pressed the stun gun into her back while pushing her head into the bedding - - no noise would have made it outside her bedroom.

He carried her down the spiral stairs, through the kitchen and down into the basement.

Stun guns work, but the effects don't last forever. He may have had time to put the garotte on her neck before she "came to" enough to struggle. Truth is, he probably planned it that way - - he wanted her to struggle. He didn't have to make a torture device like the garrote - - but he did - - he was a sadist.

Someone like that probably has a history - - some people know.

The Ramseys don't have any history at all - - but there are a few SickPuppies like Oliva with histories and police records who really should be investigated better.


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1. "Sadist"
In response to message #0
 
   We all think when we hear of a little girl having been kidnapped that it is for sex, not ransom, and that the pervert is going to kill her to be rid of the witness. Perhaps he will also enjoy it, perhaps not, but he will do it.

In JonBenet's case, I don't think she was killed to 'get rid of the witness' but that the killing was not just central to the crime it was the primary purpose and everything else was mere 'icing on the cake' or trappings added more as a condiment than as an ingredient.

The stun gun may or may not have been necessary, once she was trundled up in the bed while sleeping, but it may well have been fun for him. Once she was in the basement I'm sure there was more fun with the stun gun. Prolonged fun. Then there was some fun with the garotte. Prolonged fun. Tiny little fingers clawing at her throat. Watching that was fun for him. The crying and the pain were part of the fun. Ofcourse there was a struggle. Thats what he wanted.

The note caused hours of endless anguish for the parents as they waited for the phone to ring and fought the imagined horrors of what might be happening to her.

That short, insubstantial and utterly unnecessary piece of duct tape over her mouth was solely to convince the rescuer that she was alive when they found her, so that once again their hopes could be cruely dashed when they realized their ultimate horror.

This whole crime was fun for him.
So you ask about a struggle? Well ofcourse there was a struggle. Thats the fun part.

Was this crime committed by a pedophile?
I don't know. But I do know that it was committed by a sadist.



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2. "the stun gun"
In response to message #1
 
   You don't have to actually put the stun gun on a person's skin to use it as a weapon to torture. Just letting the person see it, see the arc, hear the crackle - - that would be torture - - and the tape on her mouth would have been necessary to stop her from screaming. He would have been watching her eyes and body.

This was no parent. This was a sick SOB who deserves to get just what he gave.


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3. "did the pigs suffer?"
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   A BORG poster asked if the pigs used in the experiments squealed and struggled when they were part of the stun gun experiments.

The answer is no. They were anaestitized just as if they were going to surgery. the injuries were inflicted, there was no pain, then the pigs were killed so that the marks could be studied under circumstances similar to the marks found on JonBenét.


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jamesonadmin
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4. "when did they enjoy the pineapple snack"
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   Some BORG posters obviously don't have a grasp on the FACTS of the case - -they think JonBenét was fed the pineapple between the time she was taken from her bed and the time she was killed.

Didn't happen that way.

The pineapple was found in her intestine - - it had time to pass through the stomach. That doesn't happen in 5 minutes or less - - and a person in great fear may lost control of their muscles, but there is absolutelely no scientific evidence that their rate of digestion invreases.

Dr. Dobersen told me that she might have eaten the pineapple as early as 3 that afternoon - NO ONE can tell exactly when she ate it - - especially since no one knows what else she ate that day! Other foods we eat DO affect the rate of digestion.


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jamesonadmin
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5. "Answering other questions"
In response to message #4
 
   The question was - - Is jameson posting some hidden threat to the Ramseys? or to Lin Wood?

Absolutely not. I have no reason to threaten the Ramseys or Lin Wood. Threaten them with what? I believe the Ramseys are innocent - I have worked hard to get out the truth so the investigation can find the real killer - - someone I believe will have a history closer to that of Gary Oliva. What could the threat be? I am lost.

And to those idiots posting that I work for the Ramseys and they are paying me - - you are wrong. I don't work for the Ramseys or Lin Wood. Never did. Don't expect I ever will.


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Maikai
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6. "Suffering pigs...."
In response to message #5
 
   Ask the poster if he/she eats pork chops...and then to think about suffering pigs. Anestheized pigs are perfectly acceptable in the scientific community. MANY medical studies are done on pigs, because their skin most resembles humans, as do their digestive systems, and other systems (go figure).


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7. "Can I be very wicked?"
In response to message #6
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-02 AT 10:26 PM (EST)
 
I got to name one of the little piggies - - can you guess what I named it?


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."G-squared!"


(I know most of you just spewed your coffee.)


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Maikai
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8. "lololololol......"
In response to message #7
 
   I'm sure she'll be honored that she was thought of so highly...Did you have unpacking service at the hotel? (or do I have her confused with someone else?)


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9. "RE: lololololol......"
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   No, I never invited strangers to paw at my panties.


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jamesonadmin
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10. "A great post found elsewhere"
In response to message #9
 
   I'm thinking the BPD should give us a reason why Oliva was cleared. It is not fair to let
him be accused of being a likely suspect on national television and the police not to give
a reason why he was cleared. If he is as sick as he looks, his family should stand up for
him. Does he have a lawyer? If he he does not, he should have one.

It would be very cruel for BPD to let him be targeted if they could clear him by saying a
few words. I don't think the police speaking up would hurt the murder case if he is not
gulity.

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This was posted by someone at another forum - - I think it is a GREAT post - - I really didn't want to paraphrase it and hope the poster doesn't mind me using it "as is". If that poster DOES care, they need only email me and I will paraphrase this post.


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11. "RE: A great post found elsewhere"
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   I did respond to this post on the other forum, saying that Chief Beckner's response was a statement that no one had been cleared.


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jamesonadmin
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12. "issues"
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   Someone guessed that I worked with Tracey and Mills on the 48 Hours show.

Nope.

Mills and Tracey have been working on one program - they hope Court TV will air it soon. It is the remake of the 2nd doc they made. Lou Smit is the focus and it aired in the UK on July 4th, 2001. They have added new footage for the new program (footage similar to what CBS just aired, I believe.)

Mills and Tracey had nothing to do with the CBS project. Different people working on different projects.

There is gossip going around that Tracey and I are fighting. I don't think so - - haven't been in touch in a long time, I don't call that fighting. The "fighting" is wishful thinking on the part of the BORG. We parted company after a very nice dinner at his house. No fight involved.

Someone recently posted that they were told (by Tracey?) that I "have issues". I think any person over the age of 5 has "issues".

My "issues" haven't stopped me from keeping a marriage alive and strong for 33 years, hasn't stopped me from raising three great kids or from attending our daughter's wedding. Hasn't stopped me from going after the things I want in life - - jobs, friendships, connections, projects (like the TimeLine and the forums). I follow through on 99% of the things I start, guess that is because I have an "issue". I tend to do a lot on my own, not a real good team player - - guess that's another 'issue".

Do I have "issues"? Sure - - I am human. But they work for me, not against me.

Mostly.

Want to help with one of my NEGATIVE "issues"? I worry about paying my bills - - send money - - end an issue. LOLOLOL

How about another issue? A more obvious one. I don't like being lied to. So don't tell me lies, don't post misinformation, and I won't show you that it is an "issue" with me.

When the flamers can prove they have fewer issues and a better life than me, pigs WILL fly and Hell WILL have ice skating rinks.


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13. "For Pook"
In response to message #12
 
   Pook is wondering what Lou Smit thinks about the case now. She wants to know if he is still working on the case and if he is getting paid.

Well, I can answer her questions.

Lou Smit continues to believe the Ramseys are innocent and uninvolved in this murder in any way. He believes an intruder killed JonBenét while her parents slept.

He is looking forward to seeing the program on Court TV - - that is just 10 days!

He continues to work on the case whenever he can and no one is paying him. He is doing it for JonBenét.


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14. "to Candy"
In response to message #13
 
   Candy posted elsewhere, "It's pathetic reading Groupie Watch take one sentence of Darnay's in an article and arrogantly
pronouncing and assuming they know what this deposition is about, or what the issues are.
These groupies are responsible for the biggest disinformation campaign in internet history on
the public forum. They have smeared every article and every poster who knew more about the
issues than they did, ran them off the internet in the case of Ellique, and have faced no
consequences for it. The best "guess" that even their forum head could come up with was that
CBS wanted this deposition for a mini-series. That is how deliberately clueless these people
are. They have deliberately not linked to the CBS motion, or any other incontrovertible
documents or articles, especially the article written in the Fulton County Daily Report on this
subject. There are deliberately no links to key documents, no discussion on that board. They
deliberately forget who wants this deposition out, and who didn't and how it came out, by court
order of the judge. They don't want to know the truth, and want to make sure posters on
that site don't ask them any questions either."

I would like to respond to this.

Candy and I disagree on who did this murder - - she believes the parents are involved. But she has never stopped looking at the evidence or news and she has been a GREAT contributor to ALL the forums by posting the court dockets and transcripts when she could.

It is nice to see this post from her acknowledging the FACT that at least one BORG forum has no interest in the truth. I think 98% of the BORG have no interest in the truth - - they just like belonging to a lynch mob that chats away about how evil the Ramseys are and how they do so hate them.

I really don't care a lot about the BORG posters. I think they are so ignorant (and blissful in their shared stupidity) that they are quickly identified as a lynch mob gone bad.

I do care about people like Candy who have been hurt by their "hero", Steve Thomas but remain on task and still hope for the truth to come out -- - work to keep the discussion going.

I think Candy is on the wrong side of the fence. I think one day she will realize how wrong she was. And I think she will have the integrity and GUTS to face that and STILL remain on the forums - - as Candy.

So thispost is for Candy.

Thanks for the work you do - - and don't let the bastards get you down. They don't care about truth, justice, or the child JonBenét. I think they never did.


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15. "RE: Answering questions from other forum"
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   To Seeker:
Epstein is still the "expert"working for Darnay Hoffman. Ziegler is the handwriting expert who was willing to point to patsy until he was told to put in a detailed report proving his analysis.


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