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Dec-01-03, 09:13 AM (EST)
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"More about the "fishing trip""
 
   Few bites from fishermen on Peterson sturgeon alibi


By GARTH STAPLEY
BEE STAFF WRITER


Last Updated: November 30, 2003, 11:03:43 AM PST


Details from Scott Peterson's preliminary hearing about his Christmas Eve fishing trip left some already skeptical fishermen with more doubt.
"None of his story made any sense," said Carl Costley of Oakdale, who has fished 35 years for huge, tough-skinned sturgeon. "It just doesn't hold water."

Said Robert Kisner of Denair, "Pretty much any fisherman will tell you that guy didn't go out there fishing. It could be that he just didn't know what he was doing."

When word spread about Peterson's solo excursion soon after his pregnant wife disappeared 11 months ago, Costley and Kisner, among others, frowned.

The swelling San Francisco Bay is no place for a relatively small aluminum boat, many said. Most added that it's crazy to fish alone for sturgeon, which often top 100 pounds and 6 feet in length. Others who prefer to start at daybreak chuckled at the thought of Peterson launching after noon.

And now, they say, recent news about his gear, anchor and licenses gives them more reasons to doubt.

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Details from the hearing were limited to attorneys questioning detectives. In a nutshell, they said:

They found two unopened packages of lures in Peterson's pickup.

They recovered from his boat an "ultralight stream fishing pole," a "heavier pole" and a homemade 1-gallon concrete anchor.

They found five fishing licenses apparently belonging to Peterson: a two-day permit valid Dec. 23 and 24; other two-day permits issued in August 2002, October 1999 and July 1999; and a yearlong license issued in 1994.

Peterson "couldn't say" what type of fish he was trying to catch when a police officer asked him Dec. 24.

Peterson did not respond when his wife's stepfather, an avid fisherman, commented that Peterson had left late in the day for fishing.

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Brocchini said he found unopened lures in Peterson's truck. That does not square with fishing for sturgeon -- which show no interest in metal lures but rely on a keen sense of smell to find herring roe and shrimp on the bottom of the bay, several fishermen said. Bait -- not lures -- replicates that food source.

"If he was using lures, he was not going sturgeon fishing," said Steve Perkins of Fisherman's Warehouse in Manteca.

Different poles for different fish

Many anglers keep all their gear together, whether going to a mountain stream or the ocean. That is the only plausible reason Peterson would have lures and a light stream rod in his boat, said Ken Moore of Ripon.

Using a light stream rod to catch sturgeon "is like hunting an elephant with a .22," or a rifle more suited for squirrels or rabbits, Costley said. "It's not practical."

Others acknowledged that some anglers bring light rods to catch bait, which they then use to try catching sturgeon with a larger pole. But that wouldn't fit with the profile police painted of Peterson -- a fisherman new to sturgeon fishing in a newly purchased boat on its maiden voyage in salt water.

Several experienced sturgeon fishermen said a concrete anchor made in a 1-gallon pitcher would hold a 14-foot boat in calm water. None believed it would work in the bay, where "rip-roaring currents," in Moore's words, are common.

"Worthless," Moore said of Peterson's homemade anchor.

Most bay anglers use heavy anchors with flukes that unfold, turn down and dig in.

"The bottom of that bay is so muddy and slimy," Costley said, "that a dead weight will generally just slide along in the mud."

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Unless Peterson had other fishing licenses that detectives didn't turn up, he wasn't an ardent fisherman, the anglers said.

His last year-round license was issued in 1994. Currently, one costs $30.70, compared with $11.05 for a two-day permit.

"If you're an avid fisherman, you're going to be going more than two days out of the year, so that doesn't make much sense," Perkins said.

But it also wouldn't make much sense to buy a yearly license -- which lasts until the end of the calendar year -- in late December.

People can buy two-day licenses well before a particular trip. But they're supposed to designate upon purchase the two consecutive days they will fish, said Perkins, who has sold licenses for eight years.

And that raises questions about Peterson's intentions. Brocchini testified that Peterson told him late Dec. 24 he had decided to go fishing on the spur of the moment that morning, because "it was too cold to go golfing."

On Dec. 23, Peterson told his wife and her sister, Amy Rocha, that he planned to golf the next day, Rocha testified. And, Peterson offered to pick up a gift at a shop near his country club, Rocha said.

Peterson's fishing license was valid Dec. 23 and 24, Brocchini testified. That could figure into the prosecution theory that the murder was premeditated.

A neighbor's testimony

Further muddying the water was testimony from Amie Krigbaum, a neighbor who said Scott Peterson told her late Dec. 24 he had golfed that day.

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Note from DragonFly2: Wherever you see a line of "stars", I "cut out" part of the article, in keeping with Modesto Bee's request that we not post articles in their entirety. But I hesitate just to put a link, because later when we want to access this info, the articles are gone or the link is different.

Anyway, the link for this entire article is:
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/7829005p-8715184c.html


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1. "RE: More about the "fishing trip""
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   The most enlightening thing I got from this article was the dates of the two-day fishing license: Dec 23 and 24.

Now, Scott says his decision to fish rather than golf was made that morning, since it was "too cold" to golf (which has NEVER made sense to me, because you're gonna get much colder out on the water- believe me, I like to fish, and my father-in-law has a boat). But the fact that he already had a license the 23rd & 24th says otherwise.


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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-03 AT 02:43 PM (EST)
 
Rather strange, rather strange indeed.

One other thing to add: If he did kill her, then his fishing license could be what proves the premeditation... he had to have planned it out, (the alibi) and buy the license and so on... make the anchors, buy the boat....


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Dec-03-03, 11:30 PM (EST)
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   The most enlightning thing that I got out of this is that they expect us to belive that Scott could not have been fishing for a large fish in such a small boat, but that he could have dumped a pregnant woman weighing 140 to 160 lbs from that same boat.... and all without capsizing.

It's my understanding that the bouys that they believe he hooked up to have monitors. If you mess with them, they either alarm the Coast Guard, or some even blow up... yes, self destruct. I think hooking a rope attached to a boat would cause one of the above. (By the way, this information comes from a licensed commercial fisherman who has been fined for coming too close to said bouys)

One other thing, I am an avid hiker. I usually hike in areas that are free and do not require an adventure pass (something we need to hike in certain areas here in California), however, I own one... and have only used it once this year. I don't feel that my ownership or lack of one dictates whether or not I hike, just WHERE I hike. I don't feel that Scott's having a fishing license or not dictates whether or not he will fish. I simply don't believe that the purchase of a fishing license shows premeditation. Yes, folks I do know that there is a difference, but... not everyone in a boat has a fishing license.

But hey, that's just my opinion, and an honest one at that.


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Dec-04-03, 09:41 AM (EST)
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   Yes, but the purchase of the fishing license tells me that his decision to go "fishing" that day was not quite as "spur of the moment" as Scott would have us to believe.....

That in and of itself would not be very suspicious- if that was ALL there was, it would seem quite innocuous- like CountryGirl says. But put it together with ALL the other lies......and it becomes something a little more sinister.


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Dec-04-03, 02:34 PM (EST)
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   ***The most enlightning thing that I got out of this is that they expect us to belive that Scott could not have been fishing for a large fish in such a small boat, but that he could have dumped a pregnant woman weighing 140 to 160 lbs from that same boat.... and all without capsizing.***

I've been on a few fishing expeditions- and Scott's boat was big enough to handle Laci- it was, after all, not a tiny one-man-boat. It probably could have handled up to 3 or possibly 4 normal-sized people fishing on it- but not trying for large fish such as sturgeon. Why? Because sturgeon and other large game fish put up quite a battle in being hauled in- you'd be surprised at what a battle- I've seen 200-plus pound men get pulled over the side of a boat trying to catch large fish.

But a dead unmoving body would have posed very little problem at all.

As far as the bouys go, I have no idea about any of that. But it's perfectly reasonable for Scott to have used that boat to dump Laci.


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Dec-04-03, 03:03 PM (EST)
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   He wasn't fishing for killer whales. Not all sturgeon weigh 100+ lbs. The attached link is a picture of a couple holding a sturgeon... Yes, Scott could have caught this fish in his 14' boat.

http://www.proaxis.com/~nwro/DaySturgeon.htm


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   That's true, not all sturgeon are huge- but you never know what you're gonna get on the end of your line, and you have to be prepared to fight a big fish. Plus he didn't have the right kind of bait- in fact, no bait at all, just metal lures- which sturgeon don't go for.

And the packages of lures weren't even opened....can't catch much of ANYTHING, sturgeon or otherwise, without getting your stuff out of the packages!

Scott wasn't fishing. Not that day. He was either dumping OR checking on what he had dumped the night before.


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   from www.fishsniffers.com

About Sturgeon


Sturgeon can live to be 100 years old and are the largest fresh water fish in North America. The sportfishing record fish was caught in The Dalles, Oregon and weighed 900 pounds. All the west coast states have bracketed length requirements for fish taken. For Oregon and California fish that are 4 to 6 feet in length are allowed to be kept. Check the Regulations!





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   Just a couple of things. First we don't know if other fishing tackle was found, we only know that police found some unopened. Maybe they have left out the part about other stuff and we just don't know about it yet. There are artifical lures out there that simulate live bait, and there are sprays that you can use to attract different fish.

(fyi) I own a commercial fishing boat out of Los Angeles Harbor. We fish mostly for albacore but have pulled up an occasional sturgeon. They are fighting fish, MOST fishermen would not have been in that harbor in a 14' boat, much less fishing for sturgeon, but it doesn't seem that we are dealing with the most intelligent person here.


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