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"FBI joins search for Missing teacher"
 
   Way too many women are going missing on California's central coast.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2447224/detail.html

FBI Joins Search For Missing Teacher

POSTED: 10:49 a.m. PDT September 1, 2003

LOS ANGELES -- The FBI has joined the hunt for missing Belmont, Calif., preschool teacher Nancy MacDuckson.

MacDuckson disappeared Aug. 11 after saying she was going to spend the day on the coast. She was seen having dinner with a man in Davenport -- and her van was found near the beach in that little coastal community just north of Santa Cruz.

The man has not been found.

Belmont police said an FBI behavioral expert is trying to determine what a person in MacDuckson's frame of mind might do.


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1. "RE: FBI joins search for Missing teacher"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-02-03 AT 10:38 AM (EST)
 
I heard on the radio yesterday they are studying the ocean current and drift patterns in the possibility she was in the water.

http://cybersleuths.com/current.html

The NANCY MACDUCKSTON case
Belmont and Davenport, California
Currents could lead to body -- (San Mateo County Times) Police will use scientists who are experts in ocean currents to pinpoint locations along the Pacific Coast where the body of missing Belmont nursery school teacher Nancy MacDuckston could be, police said.
Police said they have not concluded MacDuckston is dead or in the ocean, but they want to explore all possibilities.


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2. "Mercury News Aug. 28"
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   Posted on Thu, Aug. 28, 2003

Disappearance puzzles family, amateur sleuths
By Scott Herhold
Mercury News

As he clutched his sleeping granddaughter in his arms, Belmont attorney Bruce MacDuckston looked like what he was -- a wounded man.

More than two weeks after his 52-year-old wife, Nancy, disappeared on the Santa Cruz coast, he spoke softly, almost in a monotone, as he pleaded with her Wednesday on "Good Morning America" to return.

``Nancy, if you can see this,'' the sallow-faced MacDuckston told anchor Charlie Gibson, ``and you have control over your situation, come on home.''

It was the latest and most public effort to find the woman known as ``Teacher Nancy,'' a popular administrator and teacher at the Carlmont Parents Nursery, who was last seen on Aug. 11 in the coastal hamlet of Davenport, 10 miles north of Santa Cruz.

Nancy MacDuckston's Mazda minivan was found on a turnoff about five miles north of Davenport on Highway 1. Just below, toward the cliffs, were a folding chair, a pink hat, sunglasses and a book. Her purse was inside the locked van.

Dinner in Davenport

Perhaps most intriguing, witnesses at the New Davenport Cash Store reported that a happy MacDuckston, who had told her family she was taking a day trip to the coast, had dinner with a man described as Asian or Polynesian, about 5 feet 6, 160 pounds, with salt-and-pepper hair parted high on the left.

Because MacDuckston left detailed administrative notes at the nursery school, including directions on how to feed the animals, the police have theorized that she either committed suicide or disappeared voluntarily. The family has questioned that interpretation, saying she customarily prepared intensively for a new school year.

Whatever theory you embrace, the mystery of Nancy MacDuckston suggests how little we really know about each other, even husbands and wives married for a quarter-century.

When ABC's Gibson asked Bruce MacDuckston whether his wife had given him any hints she was unhappy, he replied, ``Nothing I could put a finger on.''

When I cover vexing mysteries like this, I sometimes go to the online site cyber sleuths.com. Some of the amateurs there read the details well.

The weight of opinion in the MacDuckston case is that she did not commit suicide -- that there was something too carefully arranged about the scene above the cliffs. If she wanted to throw herself into the ocean, the thinking goes, she wouldn't have bothered to neatly set out a chair, a book and hat. And she probably wouldn't have had a relaxing dinner with a man.

Notes hold clue

If you believe that MacDuckston's notes suggested that she was planning not to be around for the start of the school year, that leaves the most likely possibility -- that she disappeared voluntarily.

Accepting that premise involves a variety of unpalatable news for the family. It means believing that she would leave her husband and grown children (ages 25 and 22) adrift in very public fashion, even crueler than telling them that she wanted to leave.

Would someone as thoughtful and kind as Nancy MacDuckston do that, particularly given that she had a 1-year-old grandchild she adored? It's a hard theory to accept.

But remember: Nancy MacDuckston was an optimist by profession, constantly upbeat with children. It's possible that she might have found a possible confrontation with her family difficult.

However painful it is for the MacDuckston family, it's better to think that she is somewhere now starting over than any of the alternatives. The presence of her sleeping granddaughter on television Wednesday morning testified to their hope she could pick up the phone.



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3. "photo of Nancy"
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4. "sketch of man"
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5. "Belmont Police Website for Nancy"
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   http://www.belmont.gov/news/missingpersonpreleases.htm


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6. "August 11, 2003 Time Line"
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   Last seen (Monday 8/11/03). The timeline is as follows:

Ř 8:30am – Nancy leaves her home in Belmont after informing friends and family that she would be in Davenport, CA for the day.

Ř 10:00am – Nancy is seen shopping at the New Davenport Cash Store.

Ř Sometime Between 1:30pm-3:30pm – Nancy is seen at the Davenport Post Office.

Ř Either before or after the Post Office (Unsure exactly when) – Nancy is seen at the Whale City Bakery in Davenport.

Ř 5:30pm-6:30pm – Nancy is seen dining at the New Davenport Cash Store with the unknown man portrayed in the sketch.

On Friday investigators released a new sketch of the same man seen dining with Nancy on Monday 8/11/03 at the New Davenport Cash Store. The man is believed to be Asian or Polynesian, 5’6", 160 lbs, in his early 50’s. Anyone with information on this case, or the man in the sketch, please call the Belmont Police Dept at (650)595-7400,
or the tip line dedicated to this case at (650)598-3000
.

Photos of MacDuckston and her vehicle are available on the web at:

http://www.belmont.gov/news/pr08142003missing_person.htm
...............

Nancy is seen at the post office in Davenport, sometime between 1:30-3:30. Who has received mail recently from Nancy?


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7. "RE: August 11, 2003 Time Line"
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   That's what I'm thinking- what was she doing at a post office an hour and a half from her hometown?

Have you ever gone into a post office other than the one where you live? I haven't, unless on an extended trip. She was on a DAY trip. To me, that's very odd.

Why was she in that post office? Did she perhaps have a PO box there- even under another name? IS there a female post office box renter who hasn't picked up any mail since Aug 11th and it's piling up there?


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8. "Hello"
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   Could Davenport be Nancy's home town ?

The mysterious male that she was seen having dinner with may have been a coincidence. Someone that arrived same time, or was alone and asked to join her but he could also have been following her, learned of her plans and followed her to the turn off. She hikes to the cliff edge with her book and folding chair.
'Hello, we meet again...". ( sunglasses may not belong to Nancy)


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9. "RE: Hello"
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   Nancy was familiar with the Davenport area and liked to hike there. I would think she paid bills and went to the post office to put in the mail, not a box renter although surely that should be checked anyway. The case is a bit like Kristen Modafferi's in that there was a personals ad found which might have been hers. In other words she might have arranged to meet a stranger through some means such as personal ads or email or whatever, there are many online dating services around. Also the guy could have been just looking for a woman by herself which was obviously the case. He might have been a hiker that met her on the trail. He might have been just driving by and saw her along the side of the road. Many possibilties. Wish I had her birthdate.
Here's a thread with all the news articles. However, little info.
http://pub83.ezboard.com/fisthatso89415frm77.showMessage?topicID=104.topic


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10. "Personal ad?"
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   A personal ad found? Placed by? I read that site you linked to twice and don't see anything about a personal ad?

Unless I missed it, where would it be?


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11. "RE: Personal ad?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-03 AT 08:31 PM (EST)
 
Sorry for the ambiguous wording, I meant that in the Modaferi case there was a personal ad found in her belongings, not in the MacDuckston case. And this case is similar although she was seen with a man while Kristen was seen with a woman, before disappearing and leaving her belongings where they lay.

"Among her possessions, police found a personal ad that read, "Friend seeking female friend to share activities, enjoy music, photography, working out, walks, coffee, or simply enjoying the beach, and exploring the Bay Area." Did Kristen place or answer the ad? "

http://www.unsolved.com/0120-Modafferi.html

So they even have hearsay of a confession to killing Kristen but it is not enough to arrest, so John is still out there. Maybe John is the guy in the sketch. Maybe not.

Here's more:
The guy they are talking about is Jon Onuma. Check that again. Onuma. Asian. Probably Japanese. The witnesses said he was Asian.

"The women were able to name Jon Onuma as the person who likely phoned in the tip. He had been harassing them over work related problems that involved his girlfriend. When the police confronted Onuma, he at first denied, but later admitted making the call for the purpose of trying to get these women in trouble. The second incident involved a woman who stated that Jon Onuma had been beating her, and said he would have to kill her. According to her recounting of the story, he then said, "Now you know what happened to Kristen Modafferi"."

http://www.modlink.com/kristen/html/updates.htm


The police determined that Onuma was Asian, 38 years old, 5'3" tall, and 130lbs, with long hair down his back.  They also uncovered his violent track record of abusing women both emotionally and physically.

http://www.findkristen.com/8Anonymous.html
http://www.modlink.com/kristen/html/updates.htm


Judging from his photos I have to admit it does not seem to be him in the sketch of the man seen with Nancy.


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12. "Davenport, California"
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   Davenport, California
I had forgotten how far down the the cliffs were to the water...waaay down there...

At the' cash market' one must have dinner reservations. Nancy was seen dining with a man at the restaurant during dinner hours. Interesting tour of this historical area, including the restaurant.
http://www.caohwy.com/d/davenpor.htm



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13. "9/7 ktvu article"
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   MacDuckston Disappearance Still A Mystery
www.ktvu.com/
POSTED: 1:39 p.m. PDT September 7, 2003

BELMONT, Calif. -- Bruce MacDuckston says he hopes his wife of 31 years, who's been missing nearly a month, disappeared voluntarily.

Nancy Jean MacDuckston, 52, was last seen Aug. 11 having dinner with an unidentified man. Her minivan was found the next day.

Her husband calmly recited the possibilities: "She has been abducted. She's gone away voluntarily. She's in the water. And if she's in the water, she slipped and fell, she was pushed, or she went in voluntarily."

On the morning of Aug. 11, MacDuckston left a note at home saying she planned to "go on a one-day vacation," Bruce MacDuckston told the San Jose Mercury News for a story Sunday. She headed to one of her favorite places -- the bluffs along Highway 1 near Davenport, nine miles north of Santa Cruz.

"She would go and find some time for herself and recharge," said Mike Aydelott, a longtime family friend. "It's not extraordinary that she went there."

But this time, she left instructions at the school about administrative tasks such as taking care of animals kept there.

Belmont Police Sgt. Dan DeSmidt said some documents she left behind "were much more long-term," leading investigators to suspect her disappearance was planned, rather than the result of foul play.

At the New Davenport Cash Store & Restaurant, a waitress said MacDuckston seemed ebullient that night, savoring the meal and her surroundings with the mysterious companion.

Bruce MacDuckston reported his wife missing the next day, Tuesday, Aug. 12. That day, five miles north of the cafe, her tan minivan was found parked at a scenic spot with plunging seaside cliffs.

About 100 yards from the van, toward the bluffs, police found MacDuckston's blanket and a folding chair laid out as "one would lay out for a picnic," DeSmidt said.

A pair of sunglasses and a bright pink hat were found along with a book about Australia, "In a Sunburned Country," by Bill Bryson.

Police would like to find her dinner companion, an Asian or Polynesian man in his early 50s, 5 foot 6, 160 pounds, with salt-and-pepper hair. He is not a suspect, police say. The investigation so far has yielded no suspects or leads, DeSmidt said.


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14. "Other information"
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   Bruce MacDuckston is an attorney:
http://www2.local2me.com/ex/sm1/dirz/94063/dir/show/9616134

He is a director of the board here:
http://www.familyandcommunity.org/about/board/

FACES, Inc. is a nonprofit organization which is guided by a Board of Directors comprised of local community representatives.

In the early 1970s, as the Whole Earth Program, FACES, Inc. became the second Youth Service Bureau in San Mateo County. Whole Earth was renamed in 1986 to the Carlmont Center for Family Counseling.

In January of 1993, the name was changed to Family and Community Enrichment Services, Inc. to better reflect the range of programs offered and the mission of the agency.

Kathleen Steele joined FACES, Inc. in 1982 as a counselor, moving up to Executive Director, a position she has held for thirteen years. Under her leadership, FACES, Inc. has grown from a budget of $117,000 per year to $3.1 million per year.


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15. "Where is Nancy ?"
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   Her husband, Bruce says : "She has been abducted. She's gone away voluntarily. She's in the water. And if she's in the water, she slipped and fell, she was pushed, or she went in voluntarily."

** he says either of the 5 above is related to her disappearance, however Nancy could have been a victim of homicide, her body buried nearby or taken miles away. Why is he so sure.. Hmmmm

Mikie I can't find Nancy's birthdate, I'll keep trying.
I would like to know if Nancy was a trainee for the FACES Organization which her husband is a board member. Perhaps she failed appointment selection which ended August 2003.

Trainee Information *(copied from web site)

" FACES, Inc. will offer eight to ten traineeships for a 12 month training year September, 2002 through August, 2003.
Trainees will be selected from MFT, MSW and Clinical Psychology programs..."


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16. "About Tips to FBI"
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   Of course when a loved one is missing one has to wonder about all the possibilities. She got drunk and went home with the guy and is being tortured in his basement? That's my best guess.

I would guess she was born between Aug 1950 and Aug 51. That would make her 52 years old today as reported.

I noticed the FBI is involved in the case. They have this tip form and so I thought I would send them a tip. Here's their site.
http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm
The FBI encourages the public to report any suspected violations of U.S. federal law. You can do so by calling your local FBI office, Legal Attache office, or by submitting a tip via the FBI Tips and Public Leads form.

But they didn't want the tip. Here's their reply letter:

Thank you for your submission to the FBI Internet Line. After
evaluating your information it is our determination that your case is one in which the FBI does not have the jurisdiction to further investigate. You are advised to contact the Oakland, California Police Department with your information.

For your information, the Internet Tip Line (ITL) was created on
9/11/01, in response to the terrorist attacks upon America. We quickly established a mechanism for the public to submit information to the FBI via the Internet, and we received our first tip at 10:31 AM that first day. Director Mueller has since made the ITL a permanent part of FBI operations, and we have thus far received over 500,000 tips from around the globe, from which thousands of leads have been sent to FBI Field and Legal Attache offices for action.

Initially, almost 100% of the tips received were related to the
terrorist attacks; now, approximately 45% of all tips received are
related to almost every other FBI criminal program, e.g., drug
trafficking, organized crime, money laundering, pyramid schemes, child
pornography, fugitives, bank robbery.

Our operation is completely automated and paperless. Submitted tips are received immediately, reviewed within minutes and prioritized by trained Professional Support personnel, and action leads are set by Agents within the hour, as appropriate.

I encourage you to share this information with your family, friends, and co-workers, and encourage them to not hesitate to submit information they may deem of interest to the FBI. Again, thank you for taking the time to forward this report to us.

IMPORTANT – NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

The FBI does not maintain an email address to submit information or
attachments to directly; therefore, please do not reply directly to this message via your email client. The FBI maintains an automated system that is designed to track all information received to ensure that all tips are addressed in a timely and efficient manner. Therefore, please visit the FBI.GOV Web site again should you have occasion to submit additional information. We WILL NOT open “reply” email.

Sincerely,

David N. Rushing/ddb
Supervisory Special Agent
FBI Headquarters
Washington, D.C.


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17. "9/24 Press Release by Belmont Police"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-03 AT 08:56 AM (EST)
 
(Update 9/24/03)

The volunteer group of family and friends from the community will be having a meeting this Thursday, September 25, 2003 @ 7:30 PM, at the Belmont Senior & Community Center located in Twin Pines Park (1223 Ralston Ave., Belmont). A spokesman for the family and a representative of the Belmont Police Department will be on hand to answer questions from the media. Nancy’s husband Bruce, will also be at the meeting.

The purpose of this meeting is to help the volunteers focus their continued efforts to find Nancy.

Copies of all press releases relating to this case, including photos of Nancy MacDuckston and her vehicle are available on the web at:

http://www.belmont.gov/news/missingpersonpreleases.htm

(editted to remove sketch-see earlier post)

By: Sergeant Patrick Halleran Authorized By: Sergeant Patrick Halleran

Date: 9/24/03 Time: 1630hrs Date: 9/24/03 Time: 1630hrs


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18. "The Sketch..."
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   Is it just me or does that sketch look incredibly familiar to any of you?

I am sure that I have seen that face before, I just can't place where...


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19. "RE: The Sketch..."
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   Yes, I have seen a similar sketch but I don't know where.

I noted on the Davenport web site that dining at the restaurant where Nancy and the man were seen requires reservations for the dinner menu. Who made the reservation?


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20. "Reservations"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-03 AT 04:57 PM (EST)
 
Reservations were not necessary, but "encouraged".

{cut and paste from the website}
http://www.davenportinn.com/restaurant.htm

Welcome to our restaurant. We have an outstanding chef who provides imaginative cuisine that attracts diners from San Francisco to Monterey Bay and beyond. The Restaurant serves breakfast, lunch and dinner every day of the year except Christmas Day and Thanksgiving. Come in and meet our great staff...

Menu changes seasonally

Reservations: We do not take reservations for breakfast or lunch; however, we do encourage people to reserve tables for dinner; and please let us know if you are celebrating a special occasion.

We accept Visa, Mastercard, American Express and cash.


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21. "Momof6"
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   The sketch looks familiar to me too. It kind of resembles Bruce Lee, the kung fu actor/filmmaker. But he is dead.


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22. "Receipts"
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   Surely the restaurant receipts were checked or not ?
We accept Visa, Mastercard, American Express and cash.



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23. "RE: Receipts"
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   http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,1413,87~11268~1658117,00.htmlArticle Last Updated: Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:23:13 AM PST


MacDuckston case volunteers gather to strategize
Family, friends struggle to maintain hope
By Jason Dearen, STAFF WRITER

BELMONT -- Since Nancy MacDuckston disappeared in August, her husband Bruce has had very few reasons for optimism, except for the tireless efforts of the volunteers and law enforcement who are searching for his wife.

That was apparent Thursday night in Belmont at a meeting of community volunteers who have continued working to find clues that might explain Nancy's mysterious disappearance. "I've barely kept going," he said, leaning wearily against a wall at Belmont's Senior & Community Center. "The more agencies that are involved Police and volunteers reported no new leads in the case, which police are still not calling a crime. "There's no indication of foul play, so it's a missing-persons case," said Daniel DeSmidt, a sergeant with the Belmont police.
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Santa Cruz County sheriff's deputies found Nancy MacDuckston's tan minivan on Aug. 12 just off of Highway 1 north of Davenport. On a nearby cliff overlooking the sea, authorities also found a pink sun hat, a chair and a book that belonged to her.

Very few details have emerged since her disappearance, but police believe that sometime between 5:30 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. on Aug. 11, she had dinner with an unidentified man police are calling "Mr. X."

The police have received tips about his identity, but nothing has panned out. He is described as Asian or Polynesian, in his late 40s or early 50s, about 5 feet 6 inches tall, weighing 160 pounds, with salt-and-pepper hair.

"About 75 to 100 possible identifications


Keeping the case visible

Despite the dearth of leads, a couple of dozen volunteers gathered in the community center Thursday to discuss and strategize their ongoing efforts to keep hope alive. So far their work has included posting flyers displaying the police sketch of Mr. X, media outreach, and helping the MacDuckston family.

Family spokesman and longtime friend Mike Aydelott told volunteers that ongoing efforts to keep the case in the media include a scheduled appearance on "The Montel Williams Show" for Bruce and his son and daughter, Brian and Alison. "We have also had a psychic reading done, but the results will remain private," he said.

Aydelott added that the waitress who provided the details about "Mr. X" will be hypnotized and questioned again by the police. In addition, Aydelott said, search efforts in Hawaii have been launched because it is known as one of Nancy's favorite places.


Fading hopes

As the days wear on with no new leads, the fight to stay positive gets increasingly more difficult, volunteers said.

Debra Marzak, a friend of Nancy's who has known the MacDuckston family for nearly 20 years, cried as she described her desire to help search efforts. "We played rec softball together. This has been a group of friends that have been here for each other, and have always been."

Last weekend, she said, while walking through the Seattle airport, Marzak and her husband paused when a voice over the airport's intercom mentioned a name similar to MacDuckston's. "It's haunting ... you just always wonder."

In the meantime, Bruce, an attorney, has attempted to resume some semblance of normalcy, but realizes his efforts are futile. "I'm back at work, helping clients. But ever day that goes by ... there's no words."

Then he pointed to his 1-year-old granddaughter, Alani, "that's how I keep going."

Anyone with information about the case should contact Belmont police at 595-7400 or the tip line at 598-3000.

Staff writer Jason Dearen covers Belmont, San Carlos, and Foster City. He can be reached at 348-4329 or by e-mail at jdearen@angnewspapers.com


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24. "Missing Person Case or Abduction?"
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   Although the Belmont Police are treating her case as a missing person, there are two things that I think say it is a case of abduction.

First, I think it is unlikely that someone, anyone, would leave their vehicle and lawn chair etc in a public space, as if they decided on a spur of the moment to leave one life and start anew. I don't think that would be considered normal. It just does not seem plausible.

Secondly, she was seen with a man who has not been identified. If he was someone that people knew, it would have come out, and what happened to her would then be less mysterious. But since he has also "vanished" I suspect that her disappearance is linked to him and foul play is likely, abduction is probable.


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25. "RE: Missing Person Case or Abduction?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-03 AT 05:23 PM (EST)
 
Mikie, IF witnesses are correct and Nancy was seen having dinner with the man in the sketch between 5:30-6:30, and assuming dinner would take between 45-60 minutes, including conversation, after that wouldn't you think Nancy would have been on her way home?

It's doubtful she would return 'with her vehicle' where the lawn chair, book, sunglasses, hat were found to read a book ?

There is a mistake and it could be by the witnesses at the restaurant. Nancy may never have been near that restaurant that evening even that day.

I have a strange feeling we should be looking closer to home...I think her husband is right in one of his statements he said she may be in the water (paraphrasing

Nancy is not the only missing woman in this area: Link:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/templates/story.cfm?displaystory=1&storyname=091703n_macduckston

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26. "Hagner (1996 article)"
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   http://www.paweekly.com/PAW/morgue/news/1996_Oct_23.MISSING.html

Publication Date: Wednesday Oct 23, 1996

POLICE: FBI joins search for missing woman
Palo Alto woman was last seen at work in Belmont Oct. 14

by Don Kazak

The FBI entered the search on Monday for a 42-year-old Palo Alto woman who was last seen at her office Oct. 14. Ylva Hagner, who shares a south Palo Alto house on 2nd Street with two other women, was last seen at 9:30 p.m. in her Belmont office. The appearance of her desk seemed to suggest that she had just stepped out for a minute. Files were open on her desk and her computer was on, but she never returned to work.

"She left her desk like she was going away for a minute," said Palo Alto Detective Jim Coffman.

Her car, a 1992 black Honda Civic, was found Oct. 18 on Spring Street in San Carlos, less than a mile away from where she works as a product manager at Ixos Software at 1070 Sixth Ave. in Belmont.

Coffman said that Hagner has been described by her friends and co-workers as being very responsible. "This is very uncharacteristic of her," Coffman said. "She tells people where she's going, and she leaves notes."

About a dozen Palo Alto and Belmont detectives are working to interview Hagner's friends and co-workers, Coffman said. Those interviewed include men she has dated, but no leads have turned up so far, Coffman said.

"It's kind of a mystery to everyone," he said.

Last weekend, the Belmont police brought in bloodhounds from Contra Costa County to search near Hagner's office and where her car was found in San Carlos, but the dogs didn't pick up any trails leading away, said Commander Larry Riche. "That came up with nothing," he said.

The FBI will now join in conducting interviews and will also do additional forensics tests on Hagner's car, Riche said.

Hagner is 5-6 tall, 110 pounds, with blue eyes and red hair. She is originally from Sweden and speaks English with an accent.

Anyone with information about Hagner or her car is asked to call the Belmont police at 595-7400.

"This is very uncharacteristic of her. She tells people where she's going, and she leaves notes."


--Detective Jim Coffman


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27. "Hagner (Belmont Police Website)"
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http://www.belmont.gov/localgov/bpd/1065.html


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28. "Gorda, CA Two Women Found Dead"
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   Posted on Sat, Oct. 11, 2003
Two women found dead at Big Sur hotel

GORDA, Calif. (AP) - Two young women from Long Beach were found dead under bizarre circumstances Friday in a hotel room along an isolated stretch of Highway 1 in the rustic Big Sur area along the central California coast, according to the inn's owner and authorities.

The women were staying in an oceanview cottage at the Gorda Springs Inn in Gorda, just 25 miles north of Hearst's Castle in San Simeon. A hotel worker found the bodies lying side-by-side in a bed with black plastic garbage bags bound tightly around their heads with duct tape.

Both women had their hands bound with tape as well and one of them wore a grinning Halloween mask over the plastic bag, said Leonardo Flores, the employee who found the bodies. Another feathered mask lay nearby.

Flores and the owner of the Gorda Springs Inn, Sherwin Miller, said the deaths appeared to be the result of a double suicide, but authorities would only say today that the deaths were still under investigation.

Authorities withheld further information about the women's identities pending notification of the next of kin.

``It's a very sad event,'' Miller said in a phone interview from his home today. He's owned the hotel for 11 years and room rates there range from $200 to $500 per night. The hotel attracts a mix of hikers, cyclists, celebrities, and honeymooners from northern and southern California, Miller said.

``On one of the women, the tape looked more loose on the neck,'' Flores said.

The women checked into the hotel, Oct. 7, Miller confirmed. Gorda Springs Inn is set on a cliff that overlooks the ocean. A neighbor staying in the cottage next door complained of loud pounding coming from the room the first night.

Flores checked the room the third night and said nothing seemed wrong. On the fourth night, the curtains in the room were drawn.

The women declined housekeeping service during the entire time they were staying at the hotel, Flores said.

Flores entered the room after the women failed to check out on Friday. Upon discovering the bodies he contacted police who arrived an hour later.

Deputies from the Monterey County Sheriff's Department remained at the hotel until about midnight before removing the bodies. The county coroner was still investigating the cause of the deaths today.

The hotel was open for business as usual today, packed full with people attending an annual jade festival.
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29. "LadyBug"
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Double suicide I doubt. These women were murdered. Since when do people commit suicide with bags taped around their heads and halloween masks on top?


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30. "2 women found *homocide?*"
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   Partial quote from article in Modesto Bee: www.modbee.com
I'm not sure why the owner of the inn would make such an assumption.

"Flores and the owner of the inn, Sherwin Miller, said the deaths appeared to be the result of a double suicide, but Monterey County Sheriff's Sgt. Craig Pakish said the deaths were being investigated as homicides.

The Sheriff's Department identified the women Saturday as Abigail Tapia, 27, and Jacqueline Toves, 26, who shared an address in Long Beach. Authorities said autopsies were scheduled for Monday, but they declined to release other information."


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31. "Suicide with bags.."
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   Mikie, committing suicide with bags over the head is not that uncommon. There was a cult group found dead near San Diego and they all had bags over their heads. There is also "how to" book on suicide that recommends putting a bag over your head.

The masks and bound hands is what struck me as weird and I immediately thought about foul play. Investigators seem to feel that way as well.


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32. "RE: 2 women found *homocide?*"
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   Has anyone seen the movie The Life of David Gale ?(i think that's the nema - with Kevin Spacey) Maybe they were recreating the scene from that movie, sort of...


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33. "RE: 2 women found *homocide?*"
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When I see suicide as a theory I always look for 1) a note and 2) a motive or previous attempts or suggestions. So far no go. Bound hands kind of rules out suicide doesn't it? Especially if behind the back. If not behind the back then they can remove the bags. If behind the back how would they put the bags on?

edit: I saw the movie but in that case the act was filmed and yes it was with a bag. Here no film. No note. No apparent reason. At least so far.

Assuming it is a homicide, the questions are, who and why? Don't think it is related to Macduckston. She was on same coast highway quite a ways north, but where's the body? A profiler would probably ask why would someone hide a body then not hide the next? Halloween mask is definitely "signature" as John Douglas would note. Wonder if they questioned the hotel guy.

edit2: a woman from Oakland, 72 years old, Chinese, is missing also. I have been trying to find articles but so far, only heard it on the radio last week.


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34. "RE: 2 women found *homocide?*"
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   Mikie, the 'who' is in my above post. The 'why' may never be answered.


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35. "John Douglas Former FBI Profiler"
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   Each Saturday night from 7 P.M.- 10 P.M. PDT, John Douglas speaks in an informative live broadcast regarding victims, homicide, serial killers and profiling and how to remain aware. The host of the program asks questions, Douglas replies.
http://www.kfi640.com/hosts/weekends.html

I read the two women were identified, apparently from southern California and were roommates.

I too have searched for the story online of the 72 yr old woman from Oakland but to no avail. Do you recall the date of the radio news?

A What You Might Not Know link which covers USA, separate states, radio, TV stations, travel, maps, restaurants, on and on from mountains to Zoos. You might like it... I do :-)

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36. "RE: John Douglas Former FBI Profiler"
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   Countrygirl I was referring to "who would be their killer", and why they would kill, not "who they were".


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37. "There was a suicide pact"
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   Well why didn't they say so in the first place?

Sheriff: Deaths of women near Big Sur were part of suicide pact

RON HARRIS, Associated Press Writer Monday, October 13, 2003

(10-13) 18:27 PDT SALINAS, Calif. (AP) --

A bizarre suicide pact became the focus Monday of an investigation into the deaths of two young women found in an ocean view cabin along the Central California coast, authorities said.

Notes found at the scene appeared to indicate that Jacqueline Toves, 26, and Abigail Tapia, 27, may have taken their own lives after plummeting into despair, said Monterey County Sheriff Mike Kanalakis.

"There was no indication of foul play and there was no indication of trauma" to the women's bodies, Kanalakis said.

The exact causes of the deaths had not been determined pending the results of toxicology reports, and the sheriff declined to say when the women may have taken their lives.

The bodies of the women, who lived together as a couple in Long Beach, were found Friday lying side-by-side in a bed at the Gorda Springs Resort in the rustic Big Sur region.

Their hands were bound with duct tape and black plastic garbage bags were pulled snugly over their heads, authorities said. The tape was wound more tightly around one of the woman's wrists than the others, Kanalakis said.

One woman had a grinning Halloween mask over her plastic bag, said Leonardo Flores, an inn manager who saw the bodies. Another feathered mask lay nearby, he said.

The sheriff wouldn't elaborate on any connection between a frowning, adobe-colored decorative mask hanging on the door of the Long Beach, Calif. apartment shared by the two women and any of the masks or other objects found in the hotel room.

Kanalakis said drugs were found at the scene, but he declined to say what kind.

"Based on information that we collected at the scene, we've concluded that both young ladies were despondent in their lives and they were clearly upset," he said, adding that the women's families had been notified of their deaths by authorities.

The investigation continued Monday as authorities traveled back to Gorda, Kanalakis confirmed, but he insisted the public was not in any danger as a result of "the terrible tragedy."

Set on a cliff overlooking the ocean and charging $200 to $500 a night, the Gorda Springs Resort usually attracts a mix of hikers, cyclists, celebrities and honeymooners, said Sherwin Miller, the hotel's owner.

The women checked into the inn Oct. 3, Miller said, renting a cabin with a cozy, rustic feel and a fireplace and porch.

The women left a "do not disturb" sign on their door and declined housekeeping service during their stay, said Flores, the inn manager.

Flores said that when a neighbor staying in the cottage next door complained of loud pounding coming from the women's cabin at about 4 a.m. the first night of their stay, they took 15 or 20 minutes to answer. Finally a woman appeared in the doorway without saying a word.

"He said when she answered the door she just looked at him and listened and closed the door. Never said anything," he said.

Though the cabin had no kitchen, Flores said, he only knew of one time that they went out for food -- the Wednesday before they died, he said, one of the women went to the resort's restaurant for a takeout order of pasta and clam chowder.

While they were out, he checked on their room, he said. He was concerned about what they were doing because they never seemed to leave, but there was nothing out of order.

"I just did a little quick look," he said. "I got concerned why did the girls rent the room for seven days and the blinds are closed."

When he found the bodies on Friday, he said, the room was clean and women's clothes were neatly folded.

Court records show that Toves, who served in the Air National Guard for five years starting in 1996 and recently had attended the DeVry Institute of Technology, filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in March.

The trustee in her case, David May, said he didn't remember her personally but was having the records of her case retrieved from storage. He said Toves had no assets that could be used to pay creditors and that she was discharged from her debts on July 14.

"She doesn't owe anybody anything, which doesn't mean anything to her at the moment," he said.

On Monday, all the shades in the apartment where the women lived, just blocks from the beach, were drawn.

Dan Kaplan, 29, a next-door neighbor, said the two appeared inseparable.

"Every time I saw one, I saw the other," Kaplan said.
Associated Press Writer Tim Molloy in Long Beach contributed to this report.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/13/state2008EDT0118.DTL


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38. "RE: There was a suicide pact"
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   This is strange. Most likely the drugs found were valum sometimes people who want to commit suicide will take an overdose of valum and put a plastic bag over there head. They wait till there real sleepy then put the plastic sak over there head and fall asleep. The bag causes them to suffocate.
I don't understand why they would tape there arms together? I guess one was lead and the other was the follower. The lead put the tape on the follower then placed the sak over her head. Then the lead did the same thing and that would explain why her tape was loose.
I hope there happy now !!!


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39. "RE: There was a suicide pact"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-14-03 AT 10:10 PM (EST)
 
Yes, Sam, pretty wierd. This article also does not mention the pact but does mention an envelope. edit: It also mentions a "thesis".


October 13, 2003

THE STATE
Deaths at Resort Shock Locals

Monterey County authorities are treating the case of two Long Beach women found dead at a Big Sur inn as a double homicide.

By Sally Ann Connell and Richard Fausset, Special to The Times

Monterey County authorities continued their investigation Sunday into the deaths of two Long Beach women who were found in the cabin of a Big Sur resort with their hands bound and their heads covered in plastic bags.

Sgt. Craig Pakish of the Monterey County Sheriff's Department headquarters in Salinas said detectives were treating the case as a double homicide.
   
 
But employees at the Gorda Springs Inn have speculated that the deaths of Abigail Tapia and Jacqueline Toves may have been suicides. Meanwhile, residents of the scenic stretch of coast just north of Hearst Castle said they were shocked by the odd details of the case.

"It's so strange that anything like that would happen here," said Bunny Gries, 67, who lives near the resort and has been a Big Sur resident for almost 40 years. "The only deaths we ever seem to have are suicides and the occasional tourist who drives off a cliff."

Tapia, 27, and Toves, 26, were discovered in their room Friday by an employee of the inn, which sits off California Highway 1.

The women were lying in bed wearing underwear and T-shirts, said Leonardo Flores, the employee who found the women.

One of the women was wearing a Halloween mask over the plastic bag, and another feathered mask was found on a nearby table, Flores said. The plastic bag around one woman's head was tightly secured with tape, but the bag on the other woman was looser, he said. Both women's hands were bound with tape, he said.

The room, Flores said, was neat, with no evidence of a protracted struggle. The women's car was still at the cabin, with the car keys inside the cabin. A medium- to large-sized envelope addressed to a man was found near their bodies, Flores said.

According to Flores and Sherwin Miller, one of the owners of the inn, the women — who shared an apartment in Long Beach — had checked into the $220-per-night room on Oct. 3. The credit card they used had been OKd for the full payment, and they asked not to have housekeeping service during their scheduled seven-day stay.

A front-desk clerk at the inn, who asked not to be identified, said the women asked not to be disturbed because they were working on their "thesis." The women also asked if a cabin adjoining theirs could remain unoccupied — a request the clerk could not fulfill.

Flores said he entered the room about 4:30 p.m. Friday after they failed to check out on time.

Miller and Flores said that none of the staff noticed the two women entertaining outside visitors during their stay. A neighbor complained about noise coming from their cabin on the women's first night, Flores said, but the pair quieted down after the neighbor talked to them.

Scant details of the women's lives have emerged since the bodies were discovered. Dennis Mercier, a former manager of the women's Long Beach apartment building, said they moved into the building around April.

Another neighbor said the two women kept to themselves but were friendly, often greeting neighbors as they sat on their staircase smoking cigarettes.

The neighbor, who did not want her name published, said the pair had few visitors to their walk-up two-bedroom apartment, located a few blocks from the beach.

One neighbor said Tapia worked at a medical office. Toves was recently unemployed and receiving disability payments through at least March, according to a bankruptcy filing she made that month.

At the time, Toves owed more than $57,000 in credit-card bills and about $6,000 in medical bills, bankruptcy records show.

"I don't know happened, but she's a very nice and friendly person," said Duyen Nguyen, a neighbor who befriended Toves in 2002 when she was living at a North Hollywood condominium complex. "I'm really surprised."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-deaths13oct13,0,5721104.story?coll=la-headlines-california


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40. "RE: There was a suicide pact"
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   I think probably if there was a suicide pact between them, they bound each others hands behind their backs (difficult, but possible) so that neither one would panic and take the bag off at the last minute.

Sad, really. These 2 were young- they had potential, just like everyone does. It's a shame they felt so hopeless that they thought taking their own lives was the only way "out".


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41. "RE: There was a suicide pact"
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Based on the information found at the scene, including letters written by both victims to various family members, the sheriff's office is investigating this as a suicide pact," Kanalakis said.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/2548225/detail.html

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