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jamesonadmin
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"The sack of rope"
 
   A sack of rope was found in the bedroom next to JonBenét's. The Ramseys said they don't know where that rope came from.

How did it get there? Did an intruder bring it in? Why?

Someone might remember that someone had rope like that at around that time who COULD have done this? If so, they should come forward, let the DA know. Let Lin Wood and the ramsey investigators know. Let SOMEONE know.


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1. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   Discarded?
Obtained from an old garage somewhere?

Perhaps the "sack of rope" was simply what was available and that is why there appears to have been excess rope, well beyond what could reasonably have been necessary.

Someone may not even have missed it yet.


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2. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   Is there a connection between the crime scene rope and the rope in the photo of JB? If so, whose rope was used in the JB photo? Does that bring a connection to the photographer?


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3. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   The Ramsey family doesn't know where that rope came from. I suggest it possible the intruder brought it along for exiting the second floor through a window, or from the roof if needed, but forgot about the sack of rope in a haste when hir found an easier faster way out.


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DonBradley
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4. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   Length of rope?

Gee, it would have to anchored to something sturdy... and that uses up some of its length and ofcourse it sure takes alot of time and effort to do that. Does it look long enough to let someone down to the ground from the second story?

I think the stun gun may have been a favorite posession of his but the rope, bat and cord were 'acquired' from sources where they would not be missed right away and probably not even reported as thefts. I think the acquisition may have been done that way because he had no alternative means of acquiring materials. Just as the note may have been handwritten because he didn't have much of an alternative.

IF he owns a home in the area, then it would seem strange to acquire any of the items from that neighborhood, but he might feel more comfortable there than any place else.


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5. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   Maybe that sack of rope was just from that last photo shoot. Since the Ramseys couldn't remember the Santa Bear maybe they couldn't remember the rope either. It may have no relation to the crime.


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6. "RE: The sack of rope"
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I thought the rope looked the same but was told one was much more pliable thanthe other - they were NOT the same.

I was not told that by the Ramseys and don't know if they ever got to compare the ropes side by side - - don't know where the rope is that was used in the photo shoot.

I do think that rope used in the photo shoot should be located and kept by the investigators just so this question is never an issue later.

ALSO, if they had a Christmas tree decorated in cowboy decorations, was there rope there? What was that like?

Having said that, the Ramseys have no reason at all to lie about the rope - they want to find the killer and wouldn't willfully add or subtract from the evidence pool because that would not be productive at all.

John, Patsy and JAR have all said the rop was not theirs - - so whos brought it there - and why? Questions a killer could answer.

Maybe one day he will send the answer to the authorities or the Ramseys or some news media outlet - - HEY SICKPUPPY - - I would love to hear from you - - my email and PO Box are both available - - feel free!


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7. "forgotten?"
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   I don't see how a sack of rope would ever be in the JAR/Guest room if it belonged in the house or how it could be a forgotten item. People might forget where a rope was but not if they had it or not.

It doesn't look like a lariat for a beauty pageant or anything, it looks like a hefty rope and if found in the basement or garage there might be some question of ownership but in an upstairs bedroom who would expect to find a rope?


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8. "Where was the photo shoot?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-03 AT 10:55 PM (EST)
 
The rope in the picture may have been supplied by the photographer, as a prop. Wouldn't they normally go to a studio for professional photos? It's possible the rope was brought in, to tie someone up, if he was discovered. Or, to tie up JBR, and then decided he didn't need it.

What would you bring in, if you were going to kidnap somebody? Duct tape, cord, and rope wouldn't be unusual.


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9. "RE: Where was the photo shoot?"
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   So wouldn't you think the cops would go tot he photographer and checked his rope? Like look at the ends and see how they are cut and sealed?

I don't think that happened.


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10. "Well, yeah...you would"
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   think the rope in the pic would have been checked out. Maybe it was, and it was located, so nothing was leaked about that, because it wasn't incriminating.


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11. "Rope Length"
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   "Length of rope?
Gee, it would have to anchored to something sturdy... and that uses up some of its length and ofcourse it sure takes alot of time and effort to do that. Does it look long enough to let someone down to the ground from the second story?"

I suppose the rope could be anchored to the rail-leg of a bed or a door or...wouldn't take a genius or time. From the second story? Could be the intruder found it was too short, so forgot, left it behind.
What was the length of the rope?


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DonBradley
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Apr-08-03, 08:05 AM (EST)
 
12. "RE: Rope Length"
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   Thats what I was trying to find out. How long is the rope and how great is the drop to the ground. Someone with better vision than I might be able to figure this out from that tabloid photo which shows the rope coiled up and beside it has a superimposed forensic scale.

I still think it unlikely that the rope was ever intended as an ultimate escape route. I also think it unlikely it was ever intended to be used to tie-up JonBenet for any purpose, much less to kidnap her.

I'm not saying its impossible I just think it extremely unlikely the 'drop the rope out the window' was what was intended.


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Maikai
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Apr-08-03, 08:39 PM (EST)
 
13. "The picture...."
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   Wecht included it in his book, and it was from Zuma Photo Agency. It does look stiff, compared to the rope found in JAR's bedroom--I don't think it was the same.

Leaving from the balcony? I think someone could jump off of it, and not be hurt---it's really not that high.....but if someone had thought about exiting that way, there are stucco-looking pillars on the corners. Someone that knew how to make knots wouldn't have a problem tying the rope around one of them.


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14. "Workman and his tools ?"
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   Whats that about a workman and his tools?
No, I don't mean blaming the tools, I mean more judging a workman by the quality of his tools.

Would you hire an airplane mechanic who had only a few tools and all of them were of poor quality and were carried all jumbled together in a cloth sack? If you ran a small aircraft repair business you would want a man with good tools, even if he could only afford a few of them and who has them in a sturdy tool box that is well organized. You would judge the mechanic-job applicant by the tools of his trade.

Take a look at that rope. No. NOT a careful look at it. A quick glance.

Suitable for what? Towing a car, tying a trunk shut?
Not particularly suitable and certainly NOT optimal for tying a child or even an adult. Its certainly not knotted for some sort of fanciful escape purposes. And anybody watching TV knows that carrying plastic slip ties as impromptu handcuffs is far more efficient from a size and weight and effectiveness viewpoint.

It looks more like something one would find in someone else's garage or used to tie down a tarpaulin over someone's boat.

Now maybe it was obtained solely because thats all he could get or maybe it was thus obtained so as to be less traceable.


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Guppy
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Apr-14-03, 01:20 AM (EST)
 
15. "RE: Workman and his tools ?"
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   Hello everyone!

A person with no money who was basically living on the street might have to make do with whatever rope he could find or steal, possibly to feed his fantasy of hurting and torturing little girls.

We know of at least one individual who might fit the above scenario...


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16. "Right, Guppy....."
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   that could also fill up a tape of a conversation talking to a macarroon cookie. Someone living on the streets would have no where to take a kidnap victim to.


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DonBradley
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Apr-14-03, 08:07 AM (EST)
 
17. "Nowheresville ?"
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   Marginal lifestyle indications:

Handwritten note: unable to buy a typewriter at some thrift store even and keep it someplace.

Failure to abduct: Inadequate living situation. Such as nearby rooming house or fraternity with no real privacy or perhaps no real living space at all, just 'crash space' somewhere.

Tools: Utilized materials in the home because he did not have his own garotte making materials or a place to keep them.

Rope: IF somebody had a length of rope stolen would they ever go through the paperwork of a police report? No. Not likely at all.
And if a guy had a tarpauling covered boat and the tarpaulin was stolen, he might report that, but he wouldn't bother about the rope that was used to tie it down.

SBTC: South Boulder Trash Collectors? You know, Dumpster Divers.

Ability to be in the area and not seen. Blended in with homeless bums who got their mail at the Aquinas Youth Ministry and Hall.

Poor mental skills:
Kidnap for a paltry sum? Write an overly lengthy note? Fat Cat envy?
Bring a rope but not really have a need for it and not really have it be suitable for any particularly likely need. More a whim than planning.



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DonBradley
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Apr-14-03, 11:02 AM (EST)
 
18. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   Canvasing the neighborhood?

Initially there was no canvasing the neighborhood as there normally would be in any homicide investigation. A few neighbors were asked about access to their garages and rolls of duct tape, though it seems to have been along the lines of 'could the Ramseys have snuck into your garage last night and left a roll of duct tape there'. I don't think anyone was asked: do you have any lengths of rope that you might have left lying around the place? Could you check to see that they are still there?.

Ofcourse there is no way to know if the rope was obtained at some much more remote time and location, but atleast starting in that particular neighborhood would have been a good idea.


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Guppy
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Apr-14-03, 04:34 PM (EST)
 
19. "RE: The sack of rope"
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   > Someone living on the streets would have no where to take a kidnap victim to.

True. Note the kidnap victim wasn't taken anywhere.

I don't understand the cookie comment.


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DonBradley
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Apr-14-03, 06:36 PM (EST)
 
20. "Cookie Comment"
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   >I don't understand the cookie comment.
It is a reference to the fact that Gary Oliva once had an extended conversation wherein he interviewed a macaroon at a local baker/cafe and sent the tape of the conversation to Arizona for his friend from high school with whom he was keeping in touch.


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