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"The Court TV tape"
 
   Thanks to Guppy, I am now going to be able to see the CourtTV program that led to the lawsuit.

(Thanks Guppy - very appreciated)

I will be making comments.....

One being that Mark Fuhrman is on the program - - and I never liked him - - always reminded me of a weasel.


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1. "RE: The Court TV tape"
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   They are going after the "prime suspects" one by one - - John first.

So far they say he just acted wrong.

They say he didn't sit by the phone waiting for the kidnappers to call. Hmmm - - I seem to remember him answering the phone when it rang - - and with phones on every floor of the house - - in several rooms on the top three floors and one in the basement - - he was never FAR from the phone.

This is not damning evidence.

But Chuck Green and Mark Fuhrman (who is noted to have contact with Steve Thomas) have no problem with thinking that is bad stuff.

The second bad thing was that there was no great burst of concern at 10 am - - the time the kidnappers had written in their note - - they would call by 10. Well good grief - - everyone in the house had read the note and knew what it said - - NO ONE went ballistic at 10. Is that evidence that they ALL knew she was dead in the basement?

This is, so far, a typical BORG program.


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2. "John may be guilty"
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   ... not because there is evidence against him, but because it is unlikely an intruder did it.

That's what they said - honest!

Pozner and Bugliosi pointed out intruder evidence - - Klieman said she'll get to that.

Pozner pointed out that JR had no history, no motive... but he clearly is not going to get through to men of no-reason who are with him on the show.

One nice thing Rikki Klieman did - - she told the Fuhrman that she didn't find it odd that Patsy wore the same clothes the next day - - she has done that many times herself.


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3. "Interesting"
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   Chuck Green defended John Ramsey - - said his background was thoroughly checked - - they spoke to all kinds of peoplefrom his past - -and there was NO evidence that he was apedophile orviolent. Said it was important that people know that. he clearly is giving JR a pass.

What is interesting is that we know they did the sameinvestigation on Patsy with the same results - - but Chuck Green didn't feel that was very important.

Hmmmmm


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4. "Going after Patsy"
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   She was a painter and one of her paintbrushes was used to make the garotte (never mind that anyone with access to the basement had access tot he paintbrush.)

It WAS noted that any remeining cord and tape was not found in the house.

Patsy was described as obsessive about the pageants - - defensve about the small fortune spent on that hobby - and pushy - - while Jonbenét, it was suggested, was

company - - back later


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5. "RE: Going after Patsy"
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   Ok - - sorry - - had to have a "bonding experience" with two of my kids - - a very exotic and new adventure for me - I will describe it to chat friends later.

OK - - attacking Patsy.

The evidence gainst Patsy appears to be the note.

While she has notbee identified as the writer, they have not cleared her either.

The figure $118,000 (like John wouldn't know that? Anyone in the house had access to that figure as it was on all his paystubs and THEY weren't in a secure place.)

And supposedly there were phrases i the note that were special to the family. (That is bs - - but the program went with it anyway and did NOT (so far)point out the bits that pointed away from the Ramseys. OK - - back with more in a few minutes.)


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6. "RE: Going after Patsy"
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   They mentioned red fibers that link patsy to the crime - - (amazing they didn't mention that there are many UNMATCHED fibers on the body and tape - -- or that the red fibers MAY be from Patsy's clothes - - there is no report saying they MATCH.)

Then they say Patsy was a pushy stage mom and maybe JBR didn't want to be in pageants anymore and it was that war of wills that led to the murder.


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7. "RE: Going after Patsy"
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   Chuck Green and Rikki Klieman say that Patsy couldn't have stepped over the note on her way down - - would have fallen down the stairs.

I have personally gone down those steps dozens of times and can swear tht I did put paper on one of the steps and I DID step oover them and I had NO problem. I have it on film as well. It was not difficult and is not real evidence against Patsy.

Green didn't like the way Patsy acted.

Fuhrman says tht the fact they didn't find duct tape inthe ramsey house is damnng evidence - - he seems to think all houses have it and if they do NOT that is significant.

(Patsy wasn't into home repair - - neither was John. Patsy had clear packing tape, no duct tape - - probably no electrical tape.)


Pozner says he can't see Patsy doing this - - not with no motive or history - lack of physical evidence.

Vincent Bugliosi says he understands the cops think one did it and the other covered it up. The cops need to prove which one. (He is not playing defense at all as far as the Ramseys go.)

Chuck Greem says bedwetting theory is OK - - it is not an unusual motive.

Then he lies and says the body was cleaned and changed, the bed changed, the crime scene cleaned up - - and so the killer was someone very close to the child.

(Gee, why was HE never sued? he is full of lies!)


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8. "What they said about Burke"
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   They start out clearly stating that he was cleared by Boulder authorities.

Then they go on to indicate some question that
because
1. some say his voice is on the 911 tape (which is a lie but even if he HAD been awake then, that would not be evidence that he killed his sister!)
2. a jacknife that belonged to him was found in the basement near where JBR was killed. (Good grief - - he LIVED there - - he played in the basement with his trains - - why would finding anything of his there mean anything??? They make it sound like a knife - that knife - was part of the crime and they had proof no one but Burke touched it! Not the case.)


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9. "RE: What they said about Burke"
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   They are saying the parents did everything to cover up the death at Burke's hands.

Fuhrman said the blow to the head was first - - well before the cover-up garotte. Rikki says,"Well, you may have something there."

here is the quote that would lose the lawsuit - - Rikki said to Larry Pozner...

"I don't want you to blow me out here across the satellite by even suggesting Burke Ramsey as a prime suspect BUT I am because we're looking at everyone."

Pozner said there is no way it was Burke - - physically impossible and points out that Burke was cleared.

Rikki says yeah but - - then she says suspects can be cleared and uncleared.

Chuck Green said Burke has REALLY been cleared.

Green says that Burke was unsupervised by his parents on the 26th and later spent a lot of time with friends - - not likely if he was involved.

Bugliosi says Burke didn't have the knowledge or strength to do this crime - - he has been cleared. He said that the parents didn't need to protect Burke because he couldn't be prosecuted at his age anyway -- BUT Rikki points out that the parents wouldn't have known that on December 26th when all this took place.


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10. "Intruder"
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   Pozner said there is scientific evidence - like the DNA - that points to am intruder - - and the palm print and boot print.
He disputed the "all the doors were locked" myth.
He points out the cord and tape were not found.

Fuhrman says no intruder would write that criminally unsophistocated note. Actually he rambles on and says nothing that madesense.

Fuhrman doesn't know the evidence and makes an ass of himself

Chuck Green says the windowwasbroken long before and no evidence of recent entry. He questions integrity of all the intruder evidence - - and says the fact that some stuff used in the crime was from the house so that says no intruder (bullshit - - the intruder had access to the stuff if he was inthe house.)

Also says the crime took HOURS so that means no intruder. (Guess he didn't hear about Lucy and that crime just months later. That intruder lay in wait for hours too.)

Michael Baden dismisses all the intruder evidence as not dated.

Next - - the guest vote for the primesuspect they think killed JBR - - and there are 4 choices - - John, Patsy, BURKE and a shadowy figure.

I can see why they got sued - - they did certainly put Burke in as a suspect - - no doubt.


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11. "RE: Intruder"
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   the vote -
1 - intruder
2 - John
2 - Patsy
0 - Burke
1 - abstain


Final note - - Fuhrman said the FBI told Boulder to go for it - - meaning arrest the Ramseys. But, he says, the DA didn't do it.

Anyone wondering where Fuhrman stands on this need only watch this show. Fuhrman is friends with Steve Thomas - - and it appears to me that disgraced ex-cops stick together.

Disgusting.


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12. "When did Thomas and Fuhrman"
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   start talking to each other? Thomas said it was after he resigned....there was something Fuhrman said on Court TV that made me wonder if it wasn't earlier than that.


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13. "RE: Fuhrman"
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   Obviously Fuhrman has not been schooled in death sceen investigations very well to go along with Thomas and state Jonbenet was hit in the head first then strangled. The autopsey plainly states the cause of death strangulation also the child was dead or near death when she was struck in the head with a blunt object causeing a 81/2 inch fracture that barely bled if she had of been alive the severe fracture would have bled more also autopsey indicates petechia hemorrhaging if the child had been struck in the head first and died then was strangled their would be no petechia hemorrhaging, so Mark needs to go back to school.


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14. "I'm still looking for the tape, but"
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   I remember Fuhrman saying Patsy had mink boots on. IMO, I think he was getting his info spoonfed from a leaker.


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