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jamesonadmin
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"Pineapple"
 
   From the autopsy - "The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

There is a great debate about when JBR ate that pineapple.

It seems it came from a bowl of pineapple found on the table in the Ramsey breakfast room. Patsy and Burke had left their prints on the bowl. Burke's prints were on the glass. JBR's ptints were not found there.

I think she grabbed a few chunks with her fingers as they were getting ready to leave for the Whites'.

Others say the killer fed it to her and then waited for it to pass through her stomach to kill her.

Dr. Dobersen told me personally that theere is no way to determine when she ate that pineapple - - too many unknown factors involved, but she could have eaten it before leaving home that day.

Even Steve Thomas, in his book, admits that is a possibility - though he says it is at the out limits of the possible time.


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1. "From the interrogations"
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   Patsy Ramsey: "I didn't put the bowl there. Okay? I did not put the bowl there. I would not do this
set-up like this."

Detective Tom Haney "But okay, let's go back to your line of reasoning here. Now talk to me."

Patsy Ramsey: "Okay."

Detective Tom Haney "Look at me. If they're not yours and they're not John's then they would be
somebody else's."

Patsy Ramsey: "Right"

Detective Tom Haney: "Now, I'm telling you they are not somebody else's. Those prints belong to one
of the two of you."

Patsy Ramsey: "They do? You're sure."

Detective Tom Haney shakes he head yes

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, I don't know. I did not put that there."

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Detective Lou Smit talking to John Ramsey: "What have you heard about pineapple?"

John Ramsey: "Well, we were asked, you know, did JonBenét eat pineapple because apparently it was
found in her system. I think part of the question was, when did she eat it? When she got home? And
I'm sure she didn't because she was absolutely sound sleep."


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2. "Never cared for pineapple."
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   I never much cared for pineapple before this case; I sure don't care for it now.

A great deal is made about having ingested pineapple and just what was found and where it was found.

Since it was inadvertently discarded it seems of lesser significance than something which can be verified and subjected to analysis by other experts such as fingerprints or something.

Since it involves 'transit time' the information is highly variable and usually pediatric values are estimates anyway, so I've just never considered pineapple to be much of an issue in this case.

Surely the parents have no need to lie about a bowl of pineapple. It is not significant in any way.


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3. "on the pineapple"
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   On one of my trips to Boulder, I visited with both Dr. Krugman and Dr. Dobersen. They BOTH told me that no one can tell when JonBenét ate the pineapple because no one knows what else she ate that day.

They do know it was not eaten minutes before her death. The pineapple was not in her stomach but in her intestines. Think about kids throwing up - - it can happen hours after a meal - - and they are emptying their stomach, not their intestines.

No one kept track of what JonBenét ate that day. Some foods speed up digestion and others retard it. JonBenét was offered all kinds of food that day - - no one paid any attention to what she ate.

Both doctors told me that she could have eaten that pineapple BEFORE the family left to go to the Whites'. That is what I think happened. I think Burke had gotten out some pineapple, his prints were on the bowl. Why do I think him and not Patsy whose prints were also on the bowl? Well, Patsy's printswould have gotten there when she emptied the dishwasher. But the bowl and oversized spoon was, according to Patsy, not anything she did, not the way she would have served a pineapple snack to the kids. So I think Burke got it out - - and no one has told me that could not be true. ......... I think JBR was walking through the room and saw it and snatched a piece or two. There was no reason for her to touch the bowl to snatch a bit of a treat. And she didn't have much - - seems to me it could be as simple as what I just said.

I don't think the pineapple is related to the murder at all.


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4. "I think they were just trying to trip up"
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   Patsy--if she were guilty, and this was raised, with the implication it was relevant, then she might have said she had some before she went to bed---and the cops would know she couldn't have had any that late, and she was lying. I think that's all there was to it, and was blown way out of proportion. They were trying to catch Patsy in lies. Only stomach contents are relevant--not fiber in the small intestine.


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5. "Not her set-up"
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   Patsy stated that photo she was shown of the bowl of pineapple on the kitchen table was not her "set-up". I think she meant that's not the way she would have served pineapple--not in that bowl or type of bowl and not left out on the kitchen table.

Is there some other way "not my set-up" should be interpreted?


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6. "RE: Not her set-up"
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   yes I too was interested to hear what she meant by "set up".


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7. "RE: Not her set-up"
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   The bowl was not what she would have used to serve a snack to anyone - and the spoon was not a regular teaspoon. A tea bag in a glass doesn't compute - - you don't make tea in a glass as the boiling water would cause the glass to break. The whole thing was weird.

Since the photos were taken after people had been wandering around for hours - - have to wonder who handled what there.


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8. "jameson"
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   Has the picture of the bowl ever been released? I've never seen it.

WRT the tea bag in the glass, a street person would think nothing of making tea that way.


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9. "RE: Guppy that's right"
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   A street person would be the kind of idiot who would try to make hot tea in a drinking glass and what mouse fits that profile.


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10. "RE: Pineapple"
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   On the LKL show, Lin Wood was dismissive of the evidentiary value of pineapple and I think justly so.

He mentioned the variance in digestion times for pineapple. That is true, it is highly variable. The data is derived from adults and is merely extrapolated to determine pediatric values and this induces further chances for error.

But the one thing that Lin Wood mentioned, which had never occured to me, is that someone may simply have put it out on the table for the people there: just as that witness-advocate who was cleaning a surface and putting out bagels and cream cheese, someone may have found a bowl of pineapple in the refrigerator and helped themselves.


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11. "jameson"
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   > I think she grabbed a few chunks with her fingers as they were getting ready to leave for the Whites'.

I agree, this is the most likely scenario. There has never been a believable theory involving either an intruder or the Ramseys giving JonBenet pineapple, or luring her out of her bedroom with pineapple, IMO. I suppose she could have got up after being put to bed to have a snack, but after her long day it wouldn't mesh with my recollections of putting little girls to bed when they have fallen asleep in the car. They tend to go full speed all day and just pass out at night when they run out of gas.


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12. "kids"
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   she was fast asleep when they put her to bed. Kids don't wake up after that kind of day.

Besides - there is no history of her getting out of bed to eat at night - none at all. She still was a kindergarten kid. If she positively absolutely wanted a drink or needed to have a sandwich, she would have asked her mother to get it for her. Kindergarten kids don't often fend for themselves - - and there is no evidence that JBR was one who did. Patsy got the snacks ready - JBR did not. She would have called her mother.


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