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Miranda
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May-23-01, 01:10 AM (GMT)
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"John had not read "Mindhunter" prior to the murder."
 
   I think that it is a good idea to post CarolynSue's astute finding in the "Evidence and Case" forum. Craig Silverman made the claim on the Geraldo show that John Ramsey had the book "Mindhunter" in his home before the murder.

Direct quote from the John Douglas and Mark Olshaker book "The Cases That Haunt Us", p. 298.

""Upon meeting John Ramsey, I informed him who I was, shook his hand, and expressed my sorrow for his loss. As it turned out, there was some significance to the fact that neither he nor Patsy knew who I was. Subsequent to this, several sources, including Detective Steve Thomas, reported that MINDHUNTER, the first book I wrote with Mark, was on John Ramsey's nightstand. In this book we deal with staging crime scenes, and some speculated that one or both of the Ramseys had read it and "learned" how to outwit investigators to make it look as if someone from outside had killed their child. First, I have to say that they--or anyone else--would not have learned this from reading the book. We didn't write a how-to-course, and any good investigator would see right through such a primitive attempt. Morover, much as we would like to think that everyone has read our books and knows who we are, MINDHUNTER was not there on John's nightstand or elsewhere in the house, and I looked through the place pretty carefully. Believe me, as an author you learn to spot your books anywhere and everywhere. And it was not on the long police list of items removed from the house, although a "Dave Barry book about cyberspace" was. This is just one small example of the mountain of erroneous information that has come out about this case. While I understand that John read MINDHUNTER after meeting me, he was completely unfamiliar with my work at the time of the crime."" (end of quoted material)


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Sweebie
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May-24-01, 10:15 AM (GMT)
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1. "FYI - It was "
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   Sargent Wickman who claimed he saw the book on John's nightstand.


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BraveHeart
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Jun-02-01, 11:52 PM (GMT)
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2. "If..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-02 AT 01:29 AM (EST)

It was the perps intention to lay out a crime scene loosely based on Chapter 15 OF "MINDHUNTERS" to make it look like the parents tried to cover up a murder with a fake kidnapping, which to me is the obvious case, it would be consistent with his MO to leave this book in the house to tip off the police, just in case they didn't get it. Similar to the dictionary opened to the word "incest".
Either Sgt. Wickman lied, was mistaken. or the story about him completely made up, or the book was there for the reason stated above. If it wasn't taken into evidence I'd say it probably wasn't there although we can't assume that. And if it was, we can't assume the Ramseys owned it, read it or even knew about it.


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BraveHeart
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Feb-10-02, 01:28 AM (GMT)
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3. "From PMPT, paperback"
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   p108:
"A bookshelf contained such titles as .......On another shelf:.....
and FBI profiler John Douglas's 1995 memoir, MINDHUNTER. On a night stand..."

Schiller doesn't tell us the source of this information.


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