(And I do believe you've edited a transcript once again by substituting "Pat" for PRAMSEY. That's a dishonest thing to do and a spoiler for your credibility)

If Nancy truly wrote the note, and her friend was insistent that she use the figure $118,000, then it must refer to something else.

If it refers to Merrick's claim for back wages, and Schiller is correct about the figure being $118,000, then someone familiar with that incident must know Nancy's friend, or visie versa.

If it refers to the fact that Patsy was on record as a religious person, that she believed in miracle healings, and that she found Psalm 118 to be particularly inspirational in her experience, as chronicled in the magazine, then the figure $118,000 may relate to this, in which case Nancy's friend would not have to know anyone close to the Ramsey's world. She only had to read the article along with hundreds of other people.

The same holds true if the figure 118 has to do with the time of death for Perry Smith, who was hanged at exactly 1:18 am. Nancy's friend would only have to have read Truman Capote's book, along with many thousands of other people.

And the figure may mean something else that we haven't considered or understood yet. I don't think we should write Nancy and her friend off just yet. Not until we know for sure what the $118,000 refers to.

Please show the lie - - her statement and evidence it isn't true.

I exposed Foster's falsehoods.

Can you do the same?

I believe the 118th. st. reference is made in the 1956 L&L book "Compulsion" as well.

The second "crime of the century" were the murders of the Clutter family. A 118 reference here? Perry died (by strangulation) at exactly 1:19 am = last moment alive was 1:18 am ? TOD of JB = 1:18 am?

ICB is generally credited with being the first of it's genre- a story told from the point of view of the killers- but it is not. Compulsion, the story of L&L was the first. A journalist/student of famous crimes would know this (also some Webbsleuths ). They are both crimes competing for the crime of the century, The L&L crime had a book reprinted (Simon & Schuster)in 1996 and the ICB movie was shown in November of 1996 nationwide.

I think our killer studied both crimes carefully and included some features of both to come up with the "Perfect Murder."

Doesn't it destroy his masterpiece if the fbi immediately are suspicious due to the inclusion of that particular amount?

118 francesco beuf
118 tom brokaw
118 tom carson
118 chris hansen
118 karen howard
118 jennifer kay
118 tom kelley
118 glenn meyer
118 wayne doland

One of these is kind of interesting. The motivation for doing this was a television show in which it was said that the number 666 in Revelations referred, most likely, to Nero Caesar. Apparently in Greek, the associated number values in his name summed to 666, which seems hard to believe because this value is pretty high --- but then again I'm not sure exactly what the number-letter correlation is in ancient Greek. It may not be a simple linear dependence; there may be some numerology magic in there somewhere.

Anyway, I hope you all found this as interesting as I did. YAWWNNN.

Whether or not there are 2,000,118 other instances of 118 occuring in the phone book are illrelevant. The perp didn't model any of the crime after the phone book.

The symbolic number 6 in Biblical usuage is associated with mankind and his natural/human nature as opposed to God's nature and character (which is associated with the number 7). When any number, whether 6 or 7, is multiplied 3 times it means "in the fullness of God's time or purpose". The meaning of 666, therefore, means that in the fullness of time and God's purpose, a man will come to power who presents himself as the ultimate man, or humanist savior, who stands in the place of God, saying you have no need of a mythical Being.

Through the ages there have been many rulers who have demonstrated this attitude and spirit, which is called the "anti-Christ spirit", but the ANTICHRIST will only appear in God's time, in the END TIME - No need to play with numerology; There are other things that will happen that will help identify him.

Amazing how $118,000 is tied back to Jeff Merrick and Sandra Henderson, for different reasons.

Also, 18 kids died in that concrete room (roughly the same dimension of the room in the Ramsey's basement) of blunt force trauma and asphyxiation. Isn't there a LOWER denomination of bills requested on the RN? I'd say that stood for those 18 kids.

I think the killer is still in Boulder. Don't ask me why but I just think he is.

Perhaps the killer was at the house as early as around 1pm and looked at the clock at that minute and saw 118 and wrote it then. Or perhaps he was at his own house writing the first draft and saw the same and used that. Or if the amount really was the net value of the bonus, then he'd have to have had inside knowledge, even if it was through word of mouth.

Joyce: I had already pointed out in my post that this had to be in Greek, so I'm not sure why you repeated it, especially as if it hadn't already been mentioned. ??? (Notice that these question marks are almost 6's upside-down!)

Here is a great web page about this subject:

http://www.hwcn.org/~al889/relgn/www666.html

As you can see there isn't necessarily a linear association between the letters.

My only interest in this whole subject isn't Revelations, but rather people's crazy ideas, the perpetrator possibly being a student of some of these crazy ideas. Quite obviously he is a student of at least some crazy ideas.

You can take just about any data set and tease out some values that are 'odd' or 'unusual' in certain respects and bear some 'relationship' to any event you choose.

I would tend to think that anyone so concerned about Waco would be filling the note with obvious references to Waco, not extremely subtle ones. After all, revealing that he is 'upset about Waco' hardly narrows the pool of suspects much at all. So if he had a message to get out to the world he would have done so. What possible direct and significant connection does John Ramsey or Access Graphics have to some lamebrain in Texas or some lamebrain in the ATF?

About the 118,000 dollars...
In this book John is talking about Lou Smit and how Lou believes (or believed) that the $118,000 was that amount because of the Mexican currency conversion. At that time $118,000 equalled $1million pesos.

I got to thinking about that. Who has ties to Mexico? I couldn't think of anyone. Although Fleet has a sailboat, but that doesn't mean much.

So he either knew the amount in advance and stuck to his plan or he never knew the amount but stuck to the prepared text.

Note: The attribution to 'Lou Smit' is that he is often credited with this "Mexican Peso Theory" but I believe he was merely using that as an example of the many possibilities that exist and not as the one that he really believes.

I remember years ago suggesting that it could have been something as simple as the killer wanting 100k to take with him for some reason, and 9k twice to deposit into two bank accounts in order to escape the federal scrutiny accorded to deposits of 10K or more.

There just is no way of knowing.