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"Liebman analysis"
 
   David Liebman, M.A., C D.E,
Certified Document Examiner/President of NADE
981 South Quail Street
Norfolk, VA 23513
757-853-4722 / 622-9606


November 26, 1997

Mr. Darnay Hoffman
210 West 70th Street
Suite 209
New York, N.Y. 10023


Re:Ramsey Handwriting Report

Dear Mr. Hoffman:

Please find enclosed the results of my examination of the following handwritten documents:

SYNOPSIS

Careful examination revealed the writer of the "ransom" note to be very probably the same writer as
the author of the "known" of samples of the handwriting listed below.

I found fifty one (51) points of comparison and similarity, which is a very high number.

Ransom notes are often written in a disguised handwriting. Not surprisingly, the writer will attempt to
hide his/her true identity.

It is usually safe to assume that every effort will be made on the part of the writer to hide his/her
normal style of handwriting. As result, the true writing habits and style of the writer will only
occasionally appear.

However, the greater the sample length of handwriting, the greater the likelihood the writer will not
be conscious of the fact that he/she have slipped back into their normal writing style.

It is my conclusion, which can be stated with a probability of 90-95%,that Patsy Ramsey is the
ransom note writer.

The following documents were examined as requested.

Questioned Document (copy):

Ql: A three page anonymous "ransom" letter beginning with the words "Mr. Ramsey" and ending with
"S.B.T.C.". This document consists of 67 lines.

Known Samples used for comparison (copies):

Kl: A letter addressed to "Miss Kit" dated "Wednesday, June 4".

K2: A greeting card beginning with "Wishing you a bright - season" and ending with "Love, Patsy,
John & Family".

K3: A color copy of a photograph of a sign "Welcome to the Northwest Territory." The sign is on a
brown background.

K4: A color copy of a photograph of a yellowish box. In the lower right is the word "Ramsey."

K5: A color copy of a photograph of four young children, their heads are just above center. Under the
photo is "Rainbow Fish Players" written in a red-brown color.

K6: A color copy of three photographs with the following print: "This me when I was first born. That's
my Mom and the doctor."
"I was 1/2. I'm having a picture taken."
"I was 1/2. I was going bike riding with my Mom and my Dad."

K7: Printing: "Hello. I'm Marilyn Monroe " on a circular background.

K8: Printing on a box "RAMSEY XMAS."

Consistencies between the "Ransom" note and the known exemplars.

The designation Q = ransom note, K = known exemplars, P = page, and W = word number will be
used.

The dot is placed below the base line.

QP3L 66; KlP2. The center strokes of the capital "W" are retraced.

Q2 "W"e; KlLl. The distance between the first two parallel strokes is greater that the 2nd and 3rd of
the W. QL2 We; KlP2L5 "w"ould. Capital W final upstroke is higher than the first stroke and is curved
to the right.

QL 12; K3. The 2nd downstroke of the "X" is higher than the lst. QL66; KlLl3. The spacing between
words in the Q and the other documents is great. The left margin decreases downward.

QP2; Sl&S2. The lower case "d" has a bow to the left down stroke.

QL 12,34; K6 "doctor & Dad." In the letter "b" the curve comes to a point in the upper position.

QL19 "bag"; K5 "Rainbow." The M is very similar, having angular tops and a concave final stroke.

QLl "Mr."; K7 "I'm." Sometimes the lower case of Y" first down stroke is at least twice as long as the
circle height.

Q22; KlP2Lll. The reverse curved punctuation dots or commas.

QL22 "will", QL24 The "F" cross stroke begins to the left of the down stroke.

QL4; K6 "first born." Circle letters sometimes have an angle at the 12:00 position.

QL52&44; K3 "to." Lower case "1" with a gentle curve above the baseline.

QL 49&51 ; K3 We"1"come. The upper case "A" crossbar connects with the letter "n."

QL29 "An"y; K4. The final down stroke of the uppercase capital "R" does not touch the baseline.

QL1; K7 & K4. The uppermost right tending movement of the capital "R" overshoots the down stroke
to the left.

Q41; K4. The top of the capital "R: is open to the right.

Ql; K4.The lower case "t" bar is sometimes concave.

QL 12; K3 "t"o. The lower case "t" bar is sometimes to the left of the stem.

QL34 "gentlemen"; KlL6. The lower case "t" bar is sometimes to the right of the stem.

QPlL9,23 "t"o & Q2L35; KlL7 "it" & QlP21. The 'It" bar on the right is more common than the placement
as in number 22. The "t" bar sometimes starts lower and raises as the stroke continues.

QL7 "t"ime; K3 Terri "t"ory. The "t" horizontal stroke is used to start the next letter "h".

QL33,,60; KlL4. The height of the "t" is lower than the "h" height.

Q6,14; Kl Northwest. The lower case 1'r" and 'lo" are often connected when in succession.

QL19 b"ro"wn; K7 Mon"ro"e. The lower case "n" and "d" have reduced intra-letter space or touch
when in succession.

Q8; K6 a"nd" the doctor. The lower case "n" and "9" touch.

Q40 talki"ng"; K6 ridi"ng". The capital "I" base is much larger than the parallel top Q19 "I" will; K6 "I"m
having. The majority of the slant in the Q and the K print samples is approximately perpendicular to
the baseline. Some of the letters form a slight lean to the right/left.

Q last page;.K3. The upper case "D" begins at the top well to the left of the down stroke.

QL62; KlL2 "D"ear. The letter "s" is composed of two curves. Sometimes it is compressed in the upper
curve.

QL15 and 16; K6 Fi"s"h. Sometimes the upper"s"curve begins with a shorter initial (beginning) stroke.

QL 15 and 16; K6 Player"s". Sometimes the upper curve of the "s" forms an angle in the left most part
of the upper curve.

QL37 "S"peaking, 38 "s"ituation; K6 Player"s". Sometimes the entire letter "s" is out of alignment with
other letters. It appears to slant backwards or to the left.

QLl Ram"s'ley,, QL5; KlL8, K6. The ending of the "ml' is with a curve similar to a hook.

QLl "M"r.; K3 Welco"m"e.1; The indentation of the first paragragh under the salutation appears to be
approximately determined by the beginning of the second word of that salutation.

QL2 the "L" is below the "Rs';

KlL3 "we" is below the "M"iss. The lower case "e" appears compressed horizontally while the "c"
appears filled in or expanded.

QL48 de"ce"ive, QL49 enfor"ce"ment; KlL5 performan"ce". The lower case "t" bar connects to the "o".

QL17 "to", QL23 "to"; KlPlL8 "to"ps,, KlP2Ll. The lower case "o" appears to float.

Q36 and Q37 t"o"; KlP2L5&6 t"o", KlP2L2 t"o"morrow. In the word "to" the lower case "t" touches the
"o" at the top and bottom.

QL64; K2L7. A lower case "g" down stroke bent in a similar way.

QL16 brin"g", QL55 gettin"g"; K2L7 goin"g". The final lower case "e" ends with straight line
perpendicular to the paper edge or parallel the "t" bar cross.

QL57 "the"; K2L8 "the". The final stroke of the lower case "s" connects to the final "e".

QL23 advi"se", QL64 sen"se"; K4 Ram"se"y. The lower case "d" down stroke extends below the
baseline.

QL29 "d"eviation; KlL9 fiel"d". The lower case letter it S" is enlarged.

QL29 in"s"tructiont's" QL47 "s"he, QL48 u"s"; KlP2Lll "s"ee. The treatment of enlarging the "a" can be
observed in QL37 "a"nyone "a"bout; K4 R"a"msey. The middle of the "m" does not always return to the
baseline.

QL24 "m"onitor, QL15 "m"ake; K6L2 "m"e. "Ransom" note as well as Patsy Ramsey's writings have a
tendency toward using exclamations "!". The lower case "C" is enlarged.

QLl "C"arefully; KlL4 "C"rash "C"ourse.

WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN FUTURE EXEMPLARS & SAMPLES

Observe "$" marks to compare with ransom note marks.

Observe closely the printed letter llk".

Obtain and study Patsy Ramsey's cancelled checks to observe number size variations, e.g. the
smaller "ooo's" in the ransom note.

Study the upside down and left handed script and printing to compare with mirror images in ransom
note.

Many printed letters have no intra-word space. Study more printed exemplars for this tendency.

Look for the same letters that "touch" one another.

Some letters in the ransom note are reduced, look for continuing pattern in exemplars.

Observe closely the "pressure patterns" in the letter numerical "o".

OPINION

There are far too many similarities and consistencies revealed in the handwriting of Patsy Ramsey and
the ransom note for it to be coincidence.

Although many writers share some of the same traits found among other authors, as the number of
identifiable traits increases,- the likelihood of two people sharing the same handwriting decreases
dramatically.

In light of the number of comparisons and similarities between Patsy Ramsey and the ransom note
writer (51), the chances of a third party also sharing the same characteristics is astronomical.

Taken individually, the similarities are not nearly as compelling as the sheer numbers and combinations
found in both the writing of Patsy Ramsey and the ransom note.

In my professional opinion Patsy Ramsey is the ransom note writer.

David S. Liebman, C.D.E.


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1. "Absolutely amazing!"
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   Liebman wrote, "I found fifty one (51) points of comparison and similarity, which is a very high number.

Ransom notes are often written in a disguised handwriting. Not surprisingly, the writer will attempt to
hide his/her true identity.

It is usually safe to assume that every effort will be made on the part of the writer to hide his/her
normal style of handwriting. As result, the true writing habits and style of the writer will only
occasionally appear.

However, the greater the sample length of handwriting, the greater the likelihood the writer will not
be conscious of the fact that he/she have slipped back into their normal writing style.

It is my conclusion, which can be stated with a probability of 90-95%,that Patsy Ramsey is the
ransom note writer."

Considering he had the same exemplars available to Miller and Wong, and he says that the RN writer was disguising his writing - - I find this amazing.

I don't think any of these three "experts" will be brought into court as 'testifying witnesses' by Darnay Hoffman. He got to make these BORG reports public, but he won't let the people see court on HIS dime - - I don't think so. They would be destroyed!


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2. "Preconcieved notions...."
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   the handwriting should have been examined with anonomity....there should have been several pages sent in written by various people that were given handwriting tests because of possible involvement and several that were either police officers or non suspects along with Patsy's writings.

Then lets see how these experts would fair when they didn't have preconceived theories regarding this case.

How many other handwritings did these experts examine????


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3. "Strike 3!"
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   After careful analysis, this certified document examiner reports that "there are far too many similarities and consistencies between the ransom note and Patsy Ramsey's handwriting for it to be coincidence." I have believed all along that there are far too many things in this case that point to the Ramseys' involvement for ALL of them to be coincidence. The TRUTH is coming very soon.


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4. "Truth"
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   The truth is that none of these three handwriting experts claimed they had enough of Patsy's samples to do a proper analysis. They all said there were areas they couldn't consider because they were working with copies.

They all wanted someone to give them a chance to do a real analysis with proper samples.

The truth is that there have been real handwriting experts who DID see the actual ransom note and had PLENTY of proper samples of Patsy's handwriting - - and THEY say the probability that she wrote the note are next to none.

Chet Ubowski, CBI: There is evidence that indicates the ransom note may have been written by
Patsy. But the evidence falls
short of that necessary to support a definitive conclusion.

Leonard Speckin, private forensic document analyst: "When I compare the handwriting habits of
Patsy Ramsey with those
in the . . . note, there exists agreement to the extent that some of her individual letter formations
and letter combinations do
appear in the ransom note. When this agreement is weighed against the number, type and
consistency of the differences present,
I am unable to identify Patsy Ramsey as the author of the . . . note with any degree of certainty. I
am, however, unable to
eliminate her as the author."

Edwin F. Alford Jr., private document examiner: "Examination of the questioned handwriting and
comparison with the
handwriting specimens submitted has failed to provide a basis for identifying Patricia Ramsey as the
writer of the letter."

Lloyd Cunningham, Ramsey-hired expert: He cannot identify or eliminate Patsy Ramsey as the author
of the ransom note.
He spent 20 hours examining the samples and documents and found that there were no significant
individual characteristics but
many significant differences between Patsy's writing and the note.

Richard Dusak, document analyst for the Secret Service: His study concluded that there was no
evidence that Patsy
wrote the note.

Howard Ryle, Ramsey-hired expert: His opinion is between "probably not" and "elimination" of Patsy
Ramsey as the author
of the ransom note. He believes that the writer could be identified if earlier writing samples were
found.


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5. "When the time comes"
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   If, and when, this case reaches a courtroom (and I believe it will, from what I have been told), you can be certain the prosecutors will have the original ransom note, a multitude of Patsy's exemplars, and very credible document examiners to testify that it IS Patsy's handwriting -- and no one else's. There will be no room for doubt.


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6. "oh, Truth..."
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   You're missing the point. The examiners listed in jameson's post ARE the prosecutors' examiners who did have the exemplars Patsy provided and those historical samples obtained from the Ramsey houses by the BPD.

No match is no match.


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7. "State of the art"
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   What is revealed by the reports of Darnay Hoffmann's "experts" is the abysmmal state of the art of forensic document analysis. Clearly there are people licensed in this field who should not be licensed, who in fact have little or no scientific understanding or skills.

This report, typical of what we've seen from Darnay's "experts," is, simply put, amateurish. First, there is NO reference to ANY published work which might serve as a basis for the methodology employed and provide some sort of standards for making the sort of comparisons that are made. There seems in fact to be no methodology at all, just a series of ad hoc comparisons of the sort that any of us could make.

Typically amateurish is the throwing out of a percentage figure (90 - 95%) without any explanation of how those particular numbers were arrived at.

There are pretty obvious discrepancies between the exemplars from "Patsy Ramsey" used by Darnay's experts. Yet none that I've seen has even attempted to account for those or deal with them in any way. There is a special problem with the "Rainbow Fish Players" exemplar, which looks very different from the others and may well have been printed by a child. Yet this one is treated exactly the same as the others by ALL Darnay's experts.

Finally there are out and out errors, blatant errors, most notably Liebman's observation that "the left margin increases downward" in both the note and some of Patsy's exemplars. The "margin drift" he and the others has noted is the result of a crooked xerox reproduction. The left margin of the note itself is tied closely to the printed margin on the paper -- there is no margin drift whatsoever. The inability to tell the difference between true margin drift and a crooked xerox speaks volumes about the amateurishness of these "experts."

When we carefully observe the enormous differences in style between Patsy's hand and the note it becomes all but impossible to assume she could have printed it.


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8. "Just think"
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   Patsy disguised her handwriting that supposedly looks like hers.


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9. "She disguised her writing,,,"
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   on a moments notice; (Actually as an after thought), with no prior practice, unless you're saying it was pre-meditated.

SO, with her daughter lying in the basement beneath her, she decides the best way to cover-up her involvement is to WRITE A TWO AND A HALF-PAGE RANSOM NOTE????

One reason you WRITE A TWO AND A HALF-PAGE RANSOM NOTE, is because you are ENJOYING IT!
Four sentences would have been more then enough!

Another reason is because you think YOU WILL NEVER BE CAUGHT!

When you combine these two reasons you come up with someone who not only enjoyed it, but NEVER expected to be a suspect!

A third posible reason would be to throw eveyone off, but that would come ONLY AFTER reasoning that you could be sucessful with the first two reasons.

The # 1 priority is, DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!!
If you look at the EVIDENCE, the note, then Patsy's thinking must have been:
1. NO ONE is going to suspect ME.
2. Disguising your writing is so easy that I'm going to write a two and a half page note, just to throw them off.

Another related question: Why did she penetrate JonBenet just before death, wipe all VISIBLE signs of it away, redress her, and THEN kill her?
She was trying to make it look like John did it!

If YOU were the intruder and you were trying to blame John for this, then you might penetrate her while she was still alive, and reason that death would blur WHEN she was penetrated. (It worked).
Now if you wipe all the blood away and redress her, then it does NOT appear to be a sex crime. (There was NO semen found). They brought a whole bunch of things with them that night but forget the most important thing,,, A Luminal Lamp! They THOUGHT they had wiped ALL the blood away. WHY, did they wipe the blood away and redress her? What was their purpose?



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10. "only person"
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   The only person who would leave a three page ransom note in his own handwriting is a person who didn't think he would make the suspect list and didn't think the comparison would be made.


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11. "Ransom Note"
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   Jams, you are 100 percent wrong -- the ransom note WAS disguised handwriting.


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12. "TGRB"
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   "They THOUGHT they had wiped ALL the blood away. WHY, did they wipe the blood away and redress her? What was their purpose?"
....................................................................................................
DOI, page 150: "John is kind of squeamish about blood and stuff anyway, so that clearly wasn't going to be an option."


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13. "3 Pages"
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   Only a person with a lot of time on his hands and Not believing he would be on the suspect list would write a THREE page note.

A family member would have been in a hurry and wrote a minimum note.

Bill
"When you have eliminated the impossible, what remains,
however improbable, must be the truth."
-- Sherlock Holmes, A Study In Scarlet, 1887 by A.C. Doyle


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