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May-17-03, 10:13 PM (EST)
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"Thomas depo 37 - "and hence""
 
   Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You can't answer that question today, is that what you're telling me?

A. I don't recall their language, no.

Q. And hence you're telling me today as you sit here you cannot answer my question, is that your
testimony?

A. And hence, I think I just tried to answer your question.

Q. Do you use the term and hence often?

A. No, you just used it.

Q. Do you use it often?

A. Never.

Q. Would you be willing to give me a handwriting exemplar today before we leave?

MR. DIAMOND: You can make a request of his counsel.

MR. WOOD: I would like to. I would just like to see what maybe some of these examiners would say
about it not necessarily casting aspersions on Mr. Thomas, but maybe testing the waters on how
reliable a handwriting analysis is. So if you would consider that we will come back to that at the very
end.

MR. DIAMOND: It is under consideration.

Oh, I do wish I was a fly on the wall for that one!


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May-18-03, 11:23 AM (EST)
 
1. "Handwriting analysis?"
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   I have a feeling Mr. Wood considers handwriting analysis unreliable. He'd better be careful, because he is treading on very thin ice with such a line. If in fact it IS unreliable, then it looks like John Ramsey will have to be ruled back IN as a possible writer of the note.

Or maybe it's only unreliable under certain conditions? And reliable whenever it tends to exonerate his clients?


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May-18-03, 12:21 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   Even without the handwriting, John Ramsey is not a suspect - - there is no evidence that he had any motive, access to a stun gun, cord or tape, Hi-Tec boots or the DNA found on JonBenét's body. He passed a polygraph and.... basically there is no evidence against him - - so even if the note and handwriting never existed - - he wouldn't be on the top 10 suspect list.


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May-20-03, 08:48 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   The BORG condemn the Ramseys because the phrase "and hence" appeared in the fliers handed out in Boulder at the one year memorial service.

I never thought it strange that the phrase was in their vocabulary - not after having lived with the ransom note for a year.

And here you have Lin using the phrase, and instantly Steve Thomas - - who claims he never uses the phrase, repeats it in the deposition.

Lin did a great job destroying Steve Thomas and his minions. The "clues" seemed to melt away in front of our eyes.


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defeye
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May-22-03, 00:19 AM (EST)
 
4. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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>
>And here you have Lin using the phrase, and instantly Steve
>Thomas - - who claims he never uses the phrase, repeats it
>in the deposition.
>
>Lin did a great job destroying Steve Thomas and his minions.
> The "clues" seemed to melt away in front of our eyes.


Not exactly. It seems clear to me that Lin Wood used 'and hence' just to kinda be obnoxious, since the BORG claim that it isnt used often, and Steve Thomas was just being obnoxious back by repeating it just like Wood had done to him.


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5. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   I think a lot of us have incorporated the phrase into our vocabulary - - especially when discussing the Ramsey case.


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defeye
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May-22-03, 02:53 AM (EST)
 
6. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   Jameson,

I emailed you asking why you use 'and hence' repeatedly on the forum even though you know it is redundant. You said you simply do it because the killer did, and for no other reason. You use it as some type of novelty speech. I dont think it has incorporated into anyones vocabulary. Especially since the big uproar is that it is bad english and rarely used, it would actually make people know better than to use it.

Your claim that Lin Wood uses it once and then Steve Thomas instantly incorporates it into his speech is ridiculous. It is obvious that Steve Thomas used it to be obnoxious, he even pointed that out. When Wood asked him if he commonly uses 'and hence' Steve said no, and pointed out that Wood had just used it, as to the reason why he said it.

You're really reaching with that one Jameson..


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JC
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May-22-03, 07:48 AM (EST)
 
7. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   The killer knew the words and phrases that John and Patsy used. And hence, he incorporated them into the ransom note to point the finger at them, more likely Patsy.

I believe the words and phrases grated on his nerves. Every time he heard Patsy tell John to use that "good southern common sense" or "and hence" he must have been about to blow a gasket.


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defeye
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May-22-03, 03:54 PM (EST)
 
8. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   >The killer knew the words and phrases that John and Patsy
>used. And hence, he incorporated them into the ransom note
>to point the finger at them, more likely Patsy.
>
>I believe the words and phrases grated on his nerves. Every
>time he heard Patsy tell John to use that "good southern
>common sense" or "and hence" he must have been about to blow
>a gasket.


Mind to point out that this is only a guess?
You state it as fact.


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Smokey
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May-22-03, 04:45 PM (EST)
 
10. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   Is that why the note has "Patsy all over it" according to some people?

I agree completely; the ransom note author was mimicking her tone and her style.

The day I realized only the killer would set out to sound like Patsy, it all made sense.


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Slapfish
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May-22-03, 04:05 PM (EST)
 
9. "RE: Handwriting analysis?"
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   >I emailed you asking why you use 'and hence' repeatedly on
>the forum even though you know it is redundant.

I've used it sarcastically before simply to point out the absurdity of the argument about the use of the term. The whole thing was silly. I even started a post about it. I read a book in which "and hence" was used twice by an experienced author with at least 25 years of writing experience and at least a dozen books under her belt.


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11. "Hence"
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   Hence is an adverbial conjunction like the word "however" or "consequently."

It joins two independent clauses and is preceeded by a semicolon and followed by a comma.

People often say "and hence" because they are trying to use "and" as a coordinate conjunction as well.

I was sick; hence, I didn't go to work.


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