12 . "Stratbucker & stun gun research"
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Jul-16-01 at 02:14 PM (EST)
is the expert who testified spring 2001 at the trial of the killer of Karen Lynn Styles in North Carolina.
Stratbucker identified marks on the body (which had been tied to a tree for 5 weeks before being
found) from crime scene photos (no close-up autopsy photos were taken of the thighs) taken at the
scene of crime. Doing so as an expert, in federal court, confirms the fact that experts can testify
using photos only, even if they had not been at crime scene, at autopsy, or when an exhumation was
not done.
Stratbucker's study that why_nut posted was in response to a suit in California claiming that a police
stun gun caused cardiac arrest and death to a police suspect.
Here are two more of Stratbucker's published studies on the effects of stun guns. Note that "burns"
are never what occured in any of the experiments. And that Dr. Michael Doberson is a co-author of
the 2nd study listed.
http://www.paktronix.com/stun93.html
THE RELATIVE IMMUNITY OF THE SKIN AND CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM TO THE DIRECT
EFFECTS OF HIGH VOLTAGE - HIGH FREQUENCY COMPONENT ELECTRICAL PULSES. 1993 :
Robert A. Stratbucker, Health Tech. Corp., 10744 West Center Road, Omaha, NE 68124
Matthew G. Marsh, Paktronix, 1506 North 59th Street, Omaha, NE 68104
2. Physiologic Measurements:
a. Skin - Twenty 21-50 year old male police officer volunteers were exposed to 3 second bursts of
the pulse generator output delivered to the volar aspect of one forearm. A non-electric pressure
injury of a similar degree was applied to the contralateral arm. These sessions took place during
regularly scheduled training programs specifically related to familiarization with the devices. Color
photographs of the exposed sites were taken at 1 and 10 minutes post shock and again at 24 hours.
~~~
2. Physiologic measurements
a. Skin - All twenty subjects exhibited the typical "signature response", specifically a punctate
reddening of the skin at 10 minutes post shock limited to a 3-5mm diameter circle directly under each
probe. Five out of 20 showed small wheals at the stimulus site. All of these hive-like elevations had
disappeared at 1 to 2 hours. Only one case, a man of mediterranean ancestry, showed residual
markings at 24 hours and these were gone in 2 days. No burns or other permanent markings were
ever noted.
Robert A. Stratbucker, Health Tech. Corp., 10744 West Center Road, Omaha, NE 68124
Matthew G. Marsh, Paktronix, 1506 North 59th Street, Omaha, NE 68104
http://www.paktronix.com/lewis95.html
FORENSIC BIOENGINEERING
A CASE STUDY IN ELECTRICAL EMISSIONS AND CAPITAL CRIME
Robert A. Stratbucker, Health Tech. Corp., 10744 West Center Road, Omaha, NE 68124
Matthew G. Marsh, Paktronix, 1506 North 59th Street, Omaha, NE 68104
Michael J. Dobersen, Coroner - Medical Examiner, Arapahoe County, Littleton, CO 80120
Susan Kitchen, Agent, Colorado Bureau of Investigation, Littleton, CO 80120~~
We present the physics and patho-physiologic effects of such LTLWs on experimental animal subjects
and attempt to correlate reactions that characterize such skin responses in humans both living and
dead. We discuss and compare the relationship between electrically produced signature effect and
mechanically produced Triple Response, an injury phenomenon characteristic of many tissue surfaces
such as skin...~~~
Our report deals primarily with certain cutaneous manifestations of LTLW electrical shocks,
particularly the reproducibly characteristic "signature effect" on the skin. This signature effect almost
always contains the three elements required of the well known Lewis Triple Response namely:
1. The rapidly formed (3-10 seconds) red spots directly beneath two or more points of energy
application whose mechanism is capillary dilatation from endogenous histamine like substances
released in the localized region of mild injury;
2. The "flare" or expanding reddening response due to neighboring cutaneous arteriolar dilatation from
localized post synaptic antidromic nerve impulses (axon reflex);
3. The formation of wheals within the reaction sites due to increased vascular permeability in the
dilated region.
the signature response to the typical low energy level electric current injury from a stun gun burst is
arrested within seconds of the abolition of vascular perfusion. It follows that any residual signature
response from application of a stun gun to a victim's body would necessarily have to have been
initiated before death and not afterwards. Furthermore, post shock subsidence of the signature
effect is arrested and "frozen" in place if death occurs within minutes of a well developed signature
response.
13 . "Has Doberson found "blue" marks"
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Jul-16-01 at 02:18 PM (EST)
occur when stun gun experiments with the Air Taser 34000 was pressed into the skin of pigs? I don't
know, as he hasn't said.
Is the occurence of a blue "line" just a guess on Smit's part? Could be.
But since physical evidence concerning the stun gunning of small children is seriously lacking, I'm not
going to rule out the possibility that electricity from a stun gun probe might cause a bluing affect of
skin between the probes.
Just because Doberson hasn't made that a focus of his experimental procedures and hasn't seen it
doesn't mean it can't occur.
14 . "photo from a Doberson experiment"
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Jul-16-01 at 03:38 PM (EST)
http://www.geocities.com/lovelypigeon/stungun_pigskin_backmarks.html
16 . "LovelyPigeon"
Posted by why_nut on Jul-16-01 at 05:14 PM (EST)
"But since physical evidence concerning the stun gunning of small children is seriously lacking, I'm not
going to rule out the possibility that electricity from a stun gun probe might cause a bluing affect of
skin between the probes."
....................................................................................................
You seem to have painted yourself into a corner.
If the dermal effects of stun guns on children are significantly different from the results of
experiments conducted on adult skin, then Dobersen has no credibility to stand upon in claiming that
he could see JonBenet's autopsy photos and decide that a stun gun was used.
If the dermal effects of stun guns on children are not significantly different from the results of
experiments on adult skin, then Stratbucker has a great deal of credibility to stand upon when he
says that he has never seen the blue artifact that Smit has gone out of his way to call attention to
as proof of use of a stun gun.
15 . "Blue line stupidity"
Posted by Chokote on Jul-16-01 at 05:13 PM (EST)
The blue line is one of several veins on her back. LP, why don't you post the photo from the Today
show that shows all the veins?
This discussion is as stupid and Smit's statement.
17 . "JMO"
Posted by mommyof2 on Jul-16-01 at 06:07 PM (EST)
I do believe that JonBenet was stunned, and I do believe she was stunned by an intruder..However,
when Smit showed the picture of the blue line, I also saw several other blue lines on her skin that
weren't directly near the stun marks. So I'm not sure that the line was caused by the stun gun,
however, I do believe that the red spots were..