A. No, sir.

Q. You never had the opportunity to judge her credibility yourself to see whether she might, in your
opinion, like Jackie Dilson might be somewhat unstable or not credible?

A. I don't know that I've ever met Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, no.

Q. Do you know how many days a week Linda Hoffmann-Pugh worked for the Ramsey family?

A. Without reviewing reports, no, I don't.

Q. Do you know what time of the morning she would get there and how long she would stay?

A. Again, without reviewing reports concerning Ms. Hoffmann-Pugh, I do not.

Q. Do you think you had some of those reports about Ms. Hoffmann-Pugh in your materials that you
copied and after you left the department or received from the Boulder Police Department after you left
the department?

A. I don't know.

Q. We can only tell when we find them, right, that would tell us more information about what you
know about Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, true?

A. Or again if we can work our way into the police department.

This man was one of the biggie investigators and he didn't know how often LHP was at the house? He never met her? Coffman, Schiller, Shapiro and many others were more involved than the "detective" - - this deposition exposes the BPD big time. They need some schooling in police work, IMO.

Detectives may not have to do ALL the work, but when a team is working on a case they should share information - - and the man who puts in the most hours and is considered by the media to be not only the "lead detective" but "main leak" should at least know the basics of the case before writing a book.

The man was shameless - - but the book (as he states years later) was just his POV.... shame he didn't work as hard as we do to try to get it right.

A. The name sounds familiar and if it's the person I'm thinking of who resided in Georgia I think
Harmer or Gosage conducted that interview.

Q. They would have prepared a report?

A. I would think so.

Q. Shirley Brady tells me that she got a phone call and about a five-minute interview and when she
said she made it pretty clear that the Ramseys weren't in any way the type of people that could be
involved in this, that the interview ended and she never heard from anybody again. Does that sound
like a thorough investigation if that's true?

A. It depends on what the detectives were doing. I don't know what they were doing.

Q. Well, you know if you have got to -- if you're spending a lot of time with Linda Hoffmann-Pugh
who had worked for them less than two years and only worked part time and you want to know all
about this family's background, a thorough investigation, wouldn't you believe, sir, from your experience
as a police officer that you're going to spend more than five minutes on the phone with someone who
was a housekeeper for three years?

A. For some reason in my mind, and I may be wrong, I don't think Mrs. Brady was ever in Colorado
with the family. There was apparently nothing that the detective who interviewed her felt was worth
more than their five minutes. You would have to ask them.

Q. So you had to be in Colorado with the family in order to be a significant witness as to their
background?

A. No, not to their background.

Q. That doesn't make any sense, does it?

A. No.

Q. I didn't think it did.

A. I believe that was Judith Phillips.

Q. Did you find Judith Phillips to be credible?

A. At times.

Q. At times she was not credible?

A. No, I think Judith Phillips, like many others in Boulder, were devastated by this crime and she had
tough moments, I'm sure.

Q. Do you think John and Patsy Ramsey had tough moments because they would have been devastated by the death of their daughter?

A. They certainly may have.

On page 5, he presents the improbable story that JonBenet was chilly at a restaurant,
but Patsy wouldn't let her put on a jacket because "You're still on show." Steve Thomas
didn't identify his source, but I know that this is one of Judith Phillips' urban legends.

When I aksed Judith about where and when this episode happened, she said that she
didn't know and that she didn't see it herself. She said someone else had seen it. I
asked her, "Who saw it?" She wouldn't tell me. So, this is just an unverified third-hand
rumor.

Judith has done this repeatedly. She's lied to me about what she supposedly knows. She
would claim to have first-hand knowledge about something, but then she'd change her
story when I tried to pin her down. For instance:

Judith told me that Priscilla White had told her that John Ramsey tried to discourage
Fleet White from entering the wine cellar room on Dec. 26, 1996. I believed that story
for a long time. She was the source for a story to that effect in the National Enquirer of
April 1997. When I found out later that that never happened, I asked Judith how Priscilla
could have been so wrong about that. Then, Judith admitted that, uh, well, she didn't
hear the story directly from Priscilla, but from someone else...

Steve Thomas used Judith for several dubious stories. She is the anonymous "family
friend" whom Steve Thomas mentions. It wouldn't occur to Steve to double-check his
information, since any story unfavorable to the Ramseys is automatically true to him.
Positive stories, of course, don't appear in his book. "

And why would Mrs. Brady not be worthy of a face to face interview? And what about other housekeepers in Boulder? ie: Mrs. Vodicka? Her daughter was found dead in a construction ditch only a few weeks earlier, under circumstances some found questionable. The Daily Camera printed several stories about her death, and a story shortly before the Access article, saying the coroner ruled Mrs. Vodicka's daughter's death "natural." Could someone have been angry about the way the police handled THAT death investigation? Was there someone that knew about the tie to the Ramseys and became upset when they saw the article about John Ramseys success? What were the circumstances Mrs. Vodicka left the Ramseys employment?

Vodicka, I understand, left the Ramsey house under a cloud of suspicion - - seems something was missing... but that didn't result in a police report, arrest or trial so I will simply say I understand she left under a suspicion.

Could the deaths of the two daughters be related? Damned if I know. But certainly worth a bit of investigation - - if there were prints or DNA at Lorraine's death scene, what harmcould come from doing a check?

No one has cleared up the question.