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jamesonadmin
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Oct-29-02, 10:18 AM (EST)
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"I may have been wrong"
 
   Long ago, I was assured that the panties JonBenét wore on Christmas day had, in fact, been laundered by her mother before they were worn. That information came from someone who was in a position to know - - but now I have to question that information and I feel it only right to let everyone know that.

They may have been brand new and unlaundered.

I don't know.


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LovelyPigeon
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Oct-29-02, 10:36 AM (EST)
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1. "I take it then..."
In response to message #0
 
   that Patsy wasn't asked then, and sure can't remember that detail now.

Not everyone washes new undies before wearing them, or putting them in their children's drawer to wear.

Is this a major issue?


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jamesonadmin
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Oct-29-02, 11:00 AM (EST)
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2. "not an issue with me"
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   The panties belonged to JonBenét.

There is no reason at all to think they were not the same panties she wore to the Whites' and then to bed.

The intruder did not change her clothes so no one needs to worry about tracking the panties back to the killer.

The DNA that was in the panties - - it was co-mingled with her blood and probably related to the murder.

I believe JonBenét scratched her killer - - there was foreign DNA under her nails consistant with that in her panties.

If you are scratched hard enough, you will instinctively touch the wound, picking up your own DNA.

I think the killer touched the wound then assaulted JBR and carried his own DNA to her panties.

The BORG has this theory that the DNA came from the person who sewed the panties. Well, if that's true, the DNA would have matched DNA found in the other panties from the set - - right? As far as I know, that didn't happen.


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Oct-29-02, 03:57 PM (EST)
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3. "busy people"
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   The Ramseys are busy people and might not have had time to wash every item of clothing before wearing them, especially at Christmas. They might have thought the pants were sealed in a bag and from a reputable department store and left it at that. The pants may have been in the bag in JonBenet's drawer until she decided to open them herself and put on the Wednesday pair. (was it Wednesday?)
Maybe she wanted some nice new panties for Christmas, maybe she wanted to feel special, I don't know.
At least you can admit that you might not have had the whole story the first time.


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jamesonadmin
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Oct-29-02, 04:10 PM (EST)
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4. "Yes, I admit it"
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   A reporter - or poster - is only as good as their sources are. Those sources are only as good as THEIR sources. Sometimes it is hard to know what is absolutely true.

The panties, for sure, belonged to JonBenét.

Christmas did fall on a Wednesday.

Beckner and the cops did take DNA from numerous people in this case - - they did not do it for no reason. The DNA evidence is important here.

Fact - - Ollie Gray has a CBI document that eliminates the parents from being possible donors of that DNA.


I want the truth out - -the whole truth. If the DNA is not important, then we should know that. I have no problem identifying a bit of evidence as a red herring.

The Santa Bear was a red herring. I said that long ago.

The DNA - - that is good evidence and it makes me angry to see the BORG try to dismiss it because it couldn't be from the parents.

You can safely bet the farm that if it WAS John or Patsy's, they would have been arrested! That DNA was mixed with her blood and that is very important to this case.



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Mikiemoderator
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5. "RE: Yes, I admit it"
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   The Santa Bear is, in my opinion, another case of disappearing evidence, like the condom in the window well. They were apparently hidden from or by the investigators because they provide significant links to the killers. JMO.


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jamesonadmin
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6. "The Santa Bear"
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   The Ramseys saw it in a crime scene photo during the 1997 interviews. They didn't remember seeing the Santa Bear before. The cops hadn't taken it in as evidence so the cops went looking for a source. They went to the Internet for help and the media picked up on it.

The person who gave the bear to JonBenét stepped forward and told the cops. The bear was given to JonBenét during a pageant event, is not related to the crime and is really a red herring at this point.

I think it is important to eliminate red herrings like the bear so people can focus on the real evidence - - like the use of a stun gun, the black duct tape, the white cord, the clues in the note. THOSE things need our attention.

The pineapple and Santa Bear can't be linked to the murder so should be left out of the discussion.


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Guppy
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Oct-29-02, 11:49 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: The Santa Bear"
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   Thank you, jameson. I have skimmed a hundred pineapple and Santa Bear discussions and have had little to say.

I thought the Santa Bear was proved to be a red herring a real long time ago.

The pineapple is just impossible. Too many different experts have too many different time windows. I think the answer has always been to find the killer. Maybe that will solve the pineapple mystery, and maybe it won't. It has never been clear to me that the pinapple had anything to do with the crime anyway.

There are just some things that can't be explained without more information, and we just have to learn to accept it.


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Maikai
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Oct-30-02, 02:08 AM (EST)
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8. "If the panties weren't washed, it makes"
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   it even more unlikely there was another source of the DNA other than the killer. I think those weekly ones come bundled up in a package. So where would the DNA come from? Some male assembly line worker that decided to try them on? Or spit on them?


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9. "Are we allowed to know"
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   what the DNA was from?

Saliva, skin, etc?

Or is that confidential/unknown?


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LovelyPigeon
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10. "RE: Are we allowed to know"
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   We've been told the unidentified DNA wasn't from saliva and wasn't from skin, so that pretty much leaves blood.

We haven't been told it was NOT blood.

When the large paint brush was broken to make a handle for the garrotte, the killer may have received a small injury to his hand that bled slightly, but just enough to deposit a very small amount of his blood onto the panties. If breaking the brush handle caused any bleeding at all, that may have been reason for the killer to take the missing handle piece away with him.


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