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"JonBenét: A Second Look - CTV 11/8"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-02 AT 07:27 PM (EST)
 

COURT TV'S THE ELITE EXAMINES STUNNING CONCLUSIONS OF AN
INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE JON BENET RAMSEY CASE

Riveting One-Hour Documentary, Jon Benet: A Second Look Premieres on
Friday, November 8th at 8 PM ET/PT

New York, NY - October 28, 2002 - Court TV's dynamic series The Elite
looks at the intriguing case of Jon Benet Ramsey through the eyes of one of
the world's great homicide investigators, Lou Smit, revealing his surprising
conclusions about the case. The one-hour documentary, The Elite -- Jon Benet:
A Second Look, premieres on November 8th at 8 PM ET/PT and features newly
released footage of the interrogation of Jon Benet's parents, John and Patsy
Ramsey. When the lead investigators are unable to make headway on the Jon
Benet case, the District Attorney calls in the investigator many think is
second-to-none: the legendary Lou Smit.

In Jon Benet: A Second Look, Court TV profiles Smit and his independent
investigation to determine John and Patsy Ramsey's involvement in Jon Benet's
death. The compelling one-hour documentary reveals troubling new evidence
collected by Smit that strongly suggests the Ramsey's were not involved and
that an intruder was in the house the night of the murder. Using forensic
evidence, Smit paints a vivid and compelling picture of how he believes events
unfolded the night of Jon Benet's death, which is quite different from the
theories developed by police and the media.

Court TV follows Smit as he returns to the Ramsey house day after day, and
reveals his tireless efforts to find clues a killer may have left behind. By the
time Lou Smit arrived in Boulder, Colorado at the district attorney's request,
the Ramsey's were being hounded everywhere they went. Despite the
Ramseys' continued denials, many still suspect that they were involved, but
Detective Smit, who interrogated John Ramsey for hours, believes the parents
are not involved.

The Elite is a continuing weekly series on Court TV that explores the stories
and methods behind the world's foremost experts in criminal investigations,
including detectives, profilers, negotiators and forensic scientists.

Jon Benet: A Second Look was produced by David Mills and Michael Tracey of
Mills Productions Ltd. for Court TV. The Executive Producer for Court TV is
Anthony Horn. Ed Hersh is Senior Vice President, Documentaries and Specials,
for Court TV.

http://www.courttv.com/press/elite_benet.html


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1. "RE: JonBenét: A Second Look - CTV 11/8"
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   OK, someone needs to ask the question:

Is it possible this is part of the recent settlement? The timing certainly fits, as does the anticipated content.


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2. "Settlement"
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   Settlement?
Aside from the network being dead if they ever broadcast something like that, do you really think the people who own the show would so damage their property?
Most of the content will be the documentary as aired in the UK.
So it was mostly 'in the can' a long time ago anyway.


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3. "RE: Settlement"
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   The program first aired in the UK 15 months ago; the producers had tried to get the show aired in the US for well over a year. The additional footage being added for the US audience was released to Mills and Tracey at the same time it was released to CBS - - so the program was NOT produced as part of the settlement.

I am wondering if Court TV is finally starting to realize that the media lynching may have been wrong. They were wrong when they named Burke a suspect, and, well, the people at COURT TV who decided to buy this and air it have SEEN it. Maybe they have learned something.


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4. "The public needs to know"
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   what is in this presentation. And LE in Boulder needs to wake up and smell the coffee, then get back to investigating the murder of JonBenét.

I've seen this program, if they run it the same way it was run in England, and it's great.


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5. "RE: The public needs to know"
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   It's old news as far as I'm concerned. Smit explains how the parents are not involved by analysis of evidence. The only problem I have with Smit is that he doesn't ever get beyond that and into "who dunnit". It's almost as if he is not going to go there.

"Who dunnit" is in my opinion more important than who didn't dunnit. The clues which lead to who dunnit are not only avoided by Smit but they are not even explored by the investigators. The boot print. The stun gun marks. The garrote. The head bash. The pineapple. The article with John's picture circled. The heart in her hand. The dictionary opened to "incest. The Bible opened to Psalm so-&-so. The $118. The ransom note. They all give clues to "whodunnit". But Smit's work doesn't get beyond "the parents couldn't have done it", in the same way the BPD doesn't get beyond "parents are suspects". It's all very sad and incomplete in my opinion.


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6. "Mikie"
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   Smit doesn't know who did it. He has some suspects, but he's not in position to compare the DNA evidence to their DNA, or compare their handwriting. He's not employed in law enforcement anymore. All the work he does is on his own, and he can only submit it to LE and hope for the best.

Some of the "clues" in this case aren't clues at all IMO. I don't think the pineapple, the $118K, footprints not in snow, etc are going to point to any particular person.


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7. "RE: Mikie"
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   LP
I know you are very reluctant to make inferences from anything which is not solid. I am kind of opposite...very anxious to make inferences from anything that can be considered.
I think the pineapple indicates that the killer fed her and therefore was someone attached to her.
I think the heart similarly indicates attachment.
I think the Bible Psalms on John's desk imply someone was very familiar with the Bible.
I think the dictionary opened to incest was intended to give a clue to ancient religious values.
I think the stun gun shows the killer was practiced.
I think the garrote shows likewise.
I think the ransom note shows clues that the writer or composer was a professional film critic.
I think many things while you think "don't jump to conclusions", which of course is your choice but unfortunately you probably will never be convinced of anything.


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8. "the film"
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   sounds like an interesting program
pity I won't be able to watch it.


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9. "Myself"
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   We will get the transcript to you


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10. "Fact"
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   David Mills and Michael Tracey have made two documentaries. The Ramseys didn't hire them and had NO control over the content of either documentary.

Mills and Tracey has been talking to Court TV about purchasing the 2nd doc for MONTHS. That sale did not just happen overnight.

I don't believe for a minute that Court TV was forced to air the documentary as part of any out-of-court-settlement.



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11. "jameson"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-02 AT 00:35 AM (EST)
 
I wasn't talking about the production of the program, but the decision to broadcast it.

Oops. I responded to the first post without reading the last one. Sorry. I hate it when people do that.


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12. "jameson"
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   Thanks, I appreciate it.
The transcripts help when I can't see the talking faces...


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13. "Mikie"
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   I realize you and I are opposites in lots of ways, and that's ok.

I've never thought the Santa bear had any bearing (sorry about the pun) on the case, and I feel the same way about some other "clues".

Until the Ramseys are eliminated as the "only" suspects by the police in Boulder, further investigation into real suspects will be stymied. It's important to know who did not do this crime in order to get on with finding out who did do it.

Lou Smit has determined to his satisfaction, based on the case evidence, who did NOT do it. Since then, Smit has searched and researched and followed up leads on suspects he's developed as well as suspects suggested to him. I don't know how many of those suspects Smit has kept on his hot list, but it appears that Gary Oliva is one of them. Smit cannot, however, force the BPD to investigate Oliva, or anyone else.

CTV's presentation should help to remove the focus that clings to the Ramsey parents by showing the evidence of an intruder. It's up to the BPD to go further, and actually find who the intruder is.

Lin Wood has also passed along developed leads on suspects to the Boulder police department. Wood feels the information has been ignored.


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14. "Thursday's almost here!"
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   "Jon Benet: A Second Look"


Private Detective Lou Smit was hired to investigate the possible involvement of Jon Benet Ramsey's parents in her murder. Smits' conclusions will surprise many -- he believes the parents had absolutely nothing to do with the killing. This episode of The Elite profiles Smit and his extensive investigation and takes the viewer on a journey from the foothills of the Rockies to both coasts. The show also features clips of interrogations of the Ramseys -- clips that have not been seen on television before.

http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/the_elite/


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15. "BS From that site"
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   Evidence in JonBenet's slaying appears to discount intruder theory


BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — Investigators have concluded that both a palm print and a footprint found in the home of JonBenet Ramsey were actually made by family members, not an intruder as some have suggested, the Rocky Mountain News reported Friday.

Investigators believe the prints found in the basement of the home were not related to the unsolved killing of the 6-year-old beauty queen, whose body was found Dec. 26, 1996.

Investigators have known the answers for some time, the newspaper reported.

A footprint found in mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar, near where the girl's body was found, was linked by investigators to her then-9-year-old brother, Burke. Burke, now 15, has long since been cleared by authorities.

Investigators also said a long-unidentified palm print on the door leading to the wine cellar is that of Melinda Ramsey, JonBenet's adult half sister, who was in Georgia at the time of the girl's death. The technician who originally ruled her out as the source of the print had made an error, the newspaper said.

"They were certainly some things that had to be answered, one way or the other, and we feel satisfied that they are both answered," the newspaper quoted an unidentified source as saying.

Attorney Lin Wood of Atlanta, who represents JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, said his clients do not dispute the palm-print findings, but he said the family disagrees that the footprint came from Burke.

"Burke Ramsey does not and has never owned a pair of quote, unquote, trademarked Hi-Tec sneakers that the Ramseys are aware of," he said. "I would think they know what shoes he has owned."

He also said the investigators' conclusions regarding the two pieces of evidence do not eliminate the theory that an intruder killed the girl.

"Even if that explanation turns out to be true, but I have serious doubts, it certainly does not outweigh the overwhelming physical evidence and other evidence pointing to an intruder," Wood said.

Wood said the two most important pieces of evidence in the case are unidentified male DNA found in the girl's underwear and the handwritten ransom note, whose author has never been determined.

Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner on Friday declined to confirm or deny the information about the evidence. He said he believed the information did not come from any police department employee.

JonBenet was found strangled about seven hours after her mother reported finding a ransom note demanding $118,000 for her safe return. While no one has been charged, police have said the parents have not been cleared.


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16. "The palm print..."
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   If the cops can match it to Melinda, that's fine. Good thing to clear up outstanding evidence whenever possible.

The boot print has NOT been matched to anything Ramsey. That is sheer spin.

The hair - - I don't believe it matched Patsy - - if it did, they would not have gone to Atlanta, Charlotte and elsewhere plucking people.


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17. "The ads say THURSDAY!!!!"
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   Don't know what happened but set the TV VCR's for TOMORROW NIGHT!


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18. "A great documentary!"
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   Lou sets the world straight about the blinders Steve Thomas put on the BPD from the start of the investigation.

There is plenty of evidence that an intruder killed JonBenét and none that either parent did.

The stun gun marks are especially clear in this presentation!


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19. "RE: A great documentary!"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-02 AT 11:01 PM (EST)
 
It must be a BORG conspiracy. TV Guide says a program called "The System" about a murder in Florida was on at 19:00, 20:00 Eastern. Nothing about the "Elite". In any case, the program is on again at 23:00 Central, midnight Eastern. I'll tune it in and see if it is really the Smit program.

Curiously, the exact same program about the murder in Florida is listed for tomorrow night at the same time.

The satellite guide says "Elite" is on again at 11PM Central, Midnight Eastern, for those who missed it the first time around. That is in one hour.


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20. "RE: A great documentary!"
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   It was scheduled for tomorrow night but they moved it up! Hope everyone got to see it.


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21. "It was ok, but very similar"
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   to the Katie Couric special on Lou Smit and the evidence. No new bombshells, except Lou Smit drives a DeLorean, which was surprising to me---I have him pegged as a General Motors kind of guy.

I did like the way the evidence was presented to tell the story--and the insight into what Lou had to do to get to appear at the Grand Jury and keep his evidence. It clearly showed Kane was out to get the Ramseys at any cost, and that's not what the prosecutor should do--as pointed out they are suppose to present all the evidence. Even with a contaminated crime scene the show points out there was plenty of clues--more than in a lot of homicides.

The location of the ransom note and pen was explained as to how the perp came across them....the rope in John Andrews bedroom, and the disturbed bed ruffle unexplained, as well as the open drawers in the bathroom.

What really transpired in the BPD was kind of downplayed--however, why give them any more air time then they deserve? Towards the end they said the BPD will never be able to solve this crime---they have too much invested to change direction now, and that appears to be the case.


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22. "RE: It was ok, but very similar"
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   >What really transpired in the BPD was kind of
>downplayed--however, why give them any more air time then
>they deserve? Towards the end they said the BPD will never
>be able to solve this crime---they have too much invested to
>change direction now, and that appears to be the case.
The real crime here was the BPD/DA campaign against the parents that was conducted in the face of evidence of an intruder.

Similar?
I had never seen the abortive entry at the other basement window or the possible fingerprints on the window jamb.


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23. "Lou's story"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-02 AT 08:39 AM (EST)
 
.. is Lou's story. Of course there would be similarities, but I thought there was plenty of new stuff - Russel and Walta and Kane wanting to destroy the powerpoint presentation that exposed the intruder evidence.

Most of all, I think the presentation was very good - - and with all the hours devoted to BORG TV, I thought it was important to have this hour of truth get out there.


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24. "Don, similar does not mean"
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   exactly the same. The fingerprints on the window sash were new--how he gained entry was shown on the NBC coverage. I agree with jameson, that the presentation followed a logical sequence of events and was done well....starting with Lou Smit's vast experience....the reason Doberson got it wrong at first about the stun gun. There were things not presented, such as a handprint on the basement door...the hi-tech boot print...the baseball bat outside. Perhaps these could be explained away. What was presented were all the clues that tell the story, and they don't show a person all that careful in the commission of the crime. The Court TV coverage shows how the perp could have entered, including a possible aborted attempt...and a possible scenario of the sequence of events inside the house.

It boggles my mind that Kane was so bent on getting the Ramseys---and not in getting at the truth...that he would try to get Lou's evidence destroyed. It's the Dowaliby story all over again. The Ramseys were upstanding citizens in Boulderland. John Ramsey's company created hundreds of jobs---there was nothing to indicate they were capable of this horrendous crime----in fact, to the contrary---JBR was a beloved and doted up child. Compare that to the many transcients, sickos, and substance abusers living right in that area. Doesn't make sense to me at all, that Boulder would treat a citizen this way. They treat the prairie dogs better than that---and their dogs.


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25. "A post to another board"
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   I post quite a bit on a board that has a majority that believe
the Ramseys were involved in JonBenet's murder. Why wouldn't they?
We know the BPD purposely leaked misinformation. Anyway I will
post more about the latest documentary but below is my first post.
I don't worry about the thoughts of those that post to this board.
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I think Patsy during her interrogation said something like "JonBenet meant more to me than anything else in my life."
I may not have the exact words but I think it would be fair to say that neither Burke nor John would be offended by
that statement. They know she loves them both dearly but there is a measure of truth to the old statement.
"A son is a son until he takes a wife, but a daughter is a daughter until the rest of your life."

Many maintain we have a mother, with no history of abuse, no financial worries, no likelihood of
ever having another child, that suddenly throttles the life out of her child in one of the most vicious
methods imaginable and still maintains the ability to cap it off with a three page handwritten note chock
full of hate. Those that claim it would not be the first time this has happened fail every time they
attempt to present an example of another case that is similar. In every one some circumstance
comes to the surface that exposes the reason for the crime. After all these years of extensive
investigation aimed almost exclusively at the Ramseys, nothing has been forthcoming that
counters the testimony that all three, John, Patsy, and Burke, slept while JonBenet was murdered.


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