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jamesonadmin
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"Excluded by DNA"
 
   As you may remember, I did work with the BPD to get two suspects' DNA checked in the Ramsey case. Oneof the suspects, according to Mark Beckner, was completely cleared - - he could not have been the donor.

On the second sample he was not so clear - - he would not tellme the man could not be the donor - - he would only say it was not a match. Because of that, I have never been ableto clear that person in my mind - - why? because the sample on the body yielded only a partial profile and without a FULL profile no one can be a 100% match.

Anyway - - that is not why I am writing this post.

I am searching through old notes and I came across this:

Glynn, Mike - friend of John Ramsey - the two families had daughters the same age and socialized a bit -
said the Ramseys were "like Ozzie and Harriet came to Boulder", but he did say JR could show a mean
temper when dealing with business matters. Worked for Access Graphics in Boulder as director of
international business development, rumored that the police spoke to him about the case. Mike Glynn,
who worked for Access Graphics in Boulder as director of international business development. He later
moved to the Phoenix area. (Seen spelled Glenn too) Alibi - from 1 pm to 11pm on Christmas, he was
visiting a friend, **** *****, near Tucson, Arizona. Excluded by DNA on 3/11/1997

Now I took those notes when I was in Colorado - that came from LE.

If Mike Glynn could be cleared by DNA - -and if the Ramseys can't be the source of that DNA (we know that - - Ollie Gray has a CBI report saying just that and CBS verified it on 48 Hours this month) then why can't the Ramseys be cleared?

If the crime happened in YOUR family - - what would you say about this double standard?


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Myself
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Oct-27-02, 07:36 PM (EST)
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1. "why they are not cleared"
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   I suppose this is because there are other circumstances surrounding it and the suspicion is that even if the DNA does not belong to the Ramseys it must be planted by them as part of their staged scene.
Do you think that is the prevailing frame of mind?


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2. "They had alibis- - they were sleeping"
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   Here is the name of another who LE said was CLEARED by DNA

Jack or John Logan was a self styled prophet who hated Rol Hoverstock> He was at the Foyer Party held in Ramsey home in December, 1996. His alibi - - like many others, ws that he was in bed at the time of the murder. I was told he was excluded as suspect by DNA on 3/11/1997.


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3. "RE: They had alibis- - they were sleepin"
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   Removing the Ramseys from the "umbrella of suspicion" besides leaving more mud
on the face of the BPD would provoke a series of law suits. Those law suits might
even include the sitting governor of Colorado. He certainly has libeled the Ramseys
with his statements to the press. The BPD knows this and that is why the Ramseys
remain on the suspect list.

There has never been any viable evidence, whatsoever, that points to any of the Ramseys
murdering JonBent. The "Umbrella" is worthless, a complete sieve!


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jamesonadmin
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4. "from 48 Hours"
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   Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "They became convinced of the Ramseys' innocence after seeing this lab
report."

(photo of CBI lab report dated January 15, 1997 - a report that excludes the Ramseys as possible
sources of the unidentified DNA under JonBenét's nails and mixed with her blood in her panties.)

Ollie Gray: "I acquired a document that you see right here that names John and Patsy Ramsey as
suspects... was submitted for analysis reference DNA"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Days after JonBenét was murdered, her parents' were asked to give
DNA samples to the Boulder police. "

Erin Moriarty: (Talking to John and Patsy Ramsey) "You have given samples to the police?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Absolutely"

John Ramsey: "Absolutely, blood, hair, we've given them everything they asked for."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Their DNA was compared to foreign DNA found under their daughter's
fingernails and in her panties, which may have been left by the killer."

Erin Moriarty: "Does any of that DNA match anyone in the Ramsey family?"

Ollie Gray: "No, this analysis eliminates the Ramsey's"

Patsy Ramsey: "If our DNA had matched anything significant, they would have arrested us in a New
York minute and don't ever think they wouldn't have"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "If not the Ramsey's, then who killed JonBenét?"


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5. "Myself"
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   > Do you think that is the prevailing frame of mind?

I don't think anyone in LE thinks the DNA was planted. There are a few posters on other forums that bring this up from time to time, but I think they are too smart to actually believe it. It is probably more a matter of desperation - a stranger's DNA in JBR's underwear is not compatible with the BORG mindset.

Because of the complete lack of motive in this case, LE tends to think if the Ramseys were involved it was an accident followed by a coverup, or a sudden burst of rage. Planting DNA would require a level of premeditation that simply isn't supported by the facts surrounding the case.


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Sam
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6. "RE: DNA"
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   In the Butts case male dominate dna was found mixed with the victims dna that does not match the susp.
For those who don't know in the Butts tripple homicide murder where a 3 year old girl and 11 year old girl and their mother was murdered all the evidence located on are around all three bodies belonged to the susp the type of evidence you would expect to find in these modes of death and sexual crime.
But the dna does not match the susp so what's the deal how can that be it doesn't make any sense. I have tried to figure it out for over 10 years and the only thing I can come up with is that maybe it's like cross contamination and the dna test being so sensitive that the test are picking up either a second perp in the crime sceen or the test are so sensitive there picking up RED HAIRINGS.
Is there a possibility that Jonbenet when over at the Whites home earlier in the afternoon could have been playing doctor with the Whites children thus dna from those kids are under her nails and in her panties. The Boulder police must beleave theres something wrong with the dna are they would have cleared the Ramseys even though they have no evidence on them except fiber evidence that can be easily explained away.
My thoughts are dna is a excellent break through in forensic science but we can have cases where dna does not show the hole picture and where cross contamination could occure that messes up the investigation. I think this is what happened in the Butts case and may be in the Ramsey case because I don't think the killer of Jonbenet left any dna he must have been wearing a long sleeve shirt and maybe a tabogin covering his head so even if the child fought back his body was covered even his hands with gloves so what's the source of the dna NOBODY can answear that question. He used the end of the paint brush to sexually assault JB no dna from that, could he have performed cunnylingus on her thus saliva being the source in her panties but how did the matching dna get under her fingernails was it in tissue. Somebody tell me the source of the dna until then it don't mean nothing just like in the Butts murders.


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7. "RE: DNA"
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   The BORG says the DNA in the panties is from the person who sewed them in some sweat shop. If that is true, the same DNA would all OVER the panties, not just in certain areas.

And wouldn't the same DNA be on the rest of the panties from the set. (Remember, they were a set - days of the week)


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8. "RE: DNA"
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   How does the Borg explanation of "sewing sweatshop" dna in the underware blood explain the dna under JonBenet's nails which matches the other?


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9. "RE: DNA"
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   Don't all kids claw at their underwear?

Seriously, I have yet to find a BORG willing to discuss all the evidence. That goes for the cops, the experts, the lawyers and the posters. The BORG will stand by their position until they die - - but they can't defend it, they refuse to stay in a debate or just say - - as in the case of the stun gun - "That is disputed" with no other explanation.

Actually it is interesting to actually talk to "reasonable" BORG. They come up with all kinds of interesting bits of misinformation. Like that Patsy was really upset and killed her daughter over a wet bed. I don't know how they can say that when the evidence totally disputes it. The housekeeper said Patsy never made a big deal over it - - and the crime scene photos showed a dry bed anyway!

The stun gun - - they say those marks are NOT from a stun gun - - but offer no other reasonable explanation for the marks. But can you imagine what they would be saying if the Ramseys had owned a stun gun and that stun gun was found in the house? Wow! The BORG would believe in the marks then!


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