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"Lin Wood lawyer for Condit"
 
   Congressman Threatens Potential AZ Senatorial
Candidate with Defamation Suit
By Sierra Times
Published 10. 15. 02 at 15:36 Sierra Time


Lawyers representing disgraced
Congressman Gary Condit
Tuesday
contacted Liz Michael, webmistress of
the political advocacy website
LizMichael.com, and a possible
candidate for the 2004 Democratic
nomination for U. S. Senate from
Arizona, inferring that she might be
the subject of a defamation of
character suit on behalf of the
Congressman, a member of the House
Intelligence Committee.

Attorney L. Lin Wood, of the law firm L. Lin Wood, P.C., contacted
Ms. Michael,
maintaining that an article which appears on her
website, authored by former Congressman John Leboutillier, entitled
"Condit: Gays, Bisexuals and Murder", was "false and defamatory".
The article suggests the possible involvement of Congressman
Condit in the gay sado-masochism scene in Washington DC, and
suggests that the murder of Chandra Levy was likely connected to
her involvement in the scene, either with Mr. Condit, or with other
heretofore unnamed powerful individuals.

Ms. Michael says that the article was published on LizMichael.com
because it was censored on the Republican activist site
"FreeRepublic", and was also censored in Newsmax, another
conservative publication. Ms. Michael states that she detests
censorship, and has published and linked to several controversial
works which were the subject of government censorship. As for the
facts in the article itself, Ms. Michael states: "I have no personal
knowledge of either Chandra Levy, the circumstances of her death,
or the sexual orientation and habits of Mr. Condit. I do not know
whether the theories and allegations of Mr. Leboutillier are 100% on
the mark. However, I did not consider them to be baseless at the
time they were published, nor have I received any evidence
whatsoever at a later date that they were absolutely false. The
opinion piece has never to my knowledge been publicly retracted."

Ms. Michael's response to the prospect of a Condit lawsuit against
her was, "Go ahead, make my day." She also inferred she would
make any threatening letters or any legal proceedings a very public
event.


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1. "RE: Lin Wood lawyer for Condit"
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   Condit has himself an excellent lawyer.

I've followed this case a bit, and IMO there has never been a single thing to connect Condit to the murder of Chandra Levy. I don't think he had anything to do with it. It looks like she was killed by a D.C. version of the Bay Area "Trailside Killer".

Still, I saw him interviewed by - Connie Chung? - and he came across as a completely despicable and not very smart human being. That doesn't make him a killer.


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2. "Condit guilty of"
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   It appears he is a lousy husband but let's not forget that the female who sleeps with a married man is not innocent or blameless either.

But that doesn't mean she deserved to be murdered - - and it doesn't make him the murderer or the person who arranged her death.

The evidence will tell the story if the detectives let it. It is always a mistake to get hooked on a theory and force the evidence to fit (ignoring the truth if necessary to make the theory work).

I do think discussing theories and possibilities is OK - - I don't think anyone has the right to call someone a killer unless they are willing to take a stand and explain exactly why they think so - - and take responsibility for their words.

(I still think the Colorado Governor should have been called on his statements about the Ramseys - - no idea why he got a grand pass.)


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3. "I am extremely suspicious of Condit."
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   In a meeting he had with Chandra's mother, he limited her to a certain number of questions. I have a vague memory that it was just four questions, but I am not sure if that was that number or a number close to four. If my friend was murdered, I certainly would not limit the number of questions the friend's mother could ask me.

Lin Wood has publicly stated that he will not take on any client that he does not think is innocent. I think if Lin starts digging deeply, he may not end up so confident of Condit's innocence.


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4. "RE: I am extremely suspicious of Condit."
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   I am also extremely suspicious. I think Chandra Levy was pregnant, and threatened to ruin Condit's "real" life, therefore was "eliminated" for or by him.


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5. "RE: I am extremely suspicious of Condit."
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   The guy wouldn't even attend a grand jury investigating Chandra's death, to which he was SUBPOENAED. He was caught throwing out memorabilia from previous affairs while he was claiming NOT to have an affair with Levy. He later changed his story and admitted they were FRIENDS after he realized Chandra had told relatives of their affair.

Chandra was a wonderful candidate for murder, considering that she was probably pregnant and threatening to tell the world that it was his baby. The fact is, she disappeared and was murdered on a Witchs' sabbat like Danielle Van Dam and JonBenet Ramsey.

The world is sleeping while this guy gets away with whatever he wants.


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6. "RE: I am extremely suspicious of Condit."
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   And since Wood is representing him I suspect something fishy. Defending the Ramseys on one hand and Condit on the other is as opportunist at it gets.


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7. "RE: I am extremely suspicious of Condit."
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   > Defending the Ramseys on one hand and Condit on the other is as opportunist at it gets.

Why would that be?


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8. "RE: I am extremely suspicious of Condit."
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   It is legal to defend someone who is defamed, whether the defamation is true or false. In this case it seems like defending two sides of a coin. In my opinion Ramseys are innocent victims but Condit is not. Mayor Brown of San Francisco once referred to Condit as notorious for his strangulation sex (not in those exact words).


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9. "Mikie"
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   > Mayor Brown of San Francisco once referred to Condit as notorious for his strangulation sex

Did he make any campaign stops in Colorado in 1996? :)

On a more serious note, the information we have so far seems to point to a killer working the woods in which she was murdered. I think we should just follow the evidence and see where it leads. I really don't care one way or another if Condit is guilty. My interest is really in fair treatment by the judicial system, regardless of who the person might be.


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10. "RE: Mikie"
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   Of course fair treatment by the judicial system is important. I also am aware that there is a suspect that has supposedly confessed in prison and has history that links him to the site where she was found. But fair is fair. His confession could be fabricated. He didn't kill his other victims. Could he have done it for someone else? When someone does not appear at a Grand Jury does that not raise suspicion or do you conclude that he must be innocent because he would not testify? When a man with sexual perversion history is having an affair with a person murdered does that not constitute evidence or is that just information that can be ignored? Fair is fair. Evidence is evidence, even if it does not match your theory. The fact is a murder can be unproven and a murderer can go through his lifetime without punishment because the judicial system is so fair.


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11. "Strangulation sex?"
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   Mikie, are you sure? I thought that comment was about condom use, as in Condom Condit, relating to his notorious womanizing.

I never thought Condit was related in any way to Chandra Levy's disappearance. I always thought she went out for a jog or walk and was mugged & probably raped.

Since her remains were found, I've felt even more strongly that a serial rapist grabbed her while she was jogging.

Lin Wood is an excellent lawyer, and those wrongly accused of vile deeds recognize that more than anyone. Condit made a wise choice for representation.


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12. "RE: Strangulation sex?"
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   LP I am sure I read somewhere a quote from Willie Brown that was related to Condit and a necktie party. I can't remember the exact quote but it gave me the impression that there was more than just extramarital affairs going on. I'll search for it. I believe it was in online news.


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13. "RE: Strangulation sex?"
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   Didn't the rumor about necktie-sex (or whatever it) was get quashed as being no more than just rumor? David Letterman may have cracked a quip about neckties, too, but that doesn't mean it was true.

There was no connection ever made between Condit and Chandra's disappearance or death.


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14. "RE: Strangulation sex?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-02 AT 02:02 PM (EST)
 
Okay I don't think I can find that quote. But I am sure I read it a year ago roughly.

Here's an online article saying pretty much what I am saying:

http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/8_01/8_08_01/opinion_frank.shtml

Why suspect? Put the pieces together. Condit, a married politician and a notorious womanizer with much to hide, was having a long-standing affair with the intern. The day before her disappearance, she had told a confidant there was something “important” to reveal. This, naturally, conjures up images of possible pregnancy, confessions of the soul, or then again, something totally unrelated. We may never know. But, the fact remains, she was an item desperately to be kept secret by the horny congressman, remembering all too well the nightmare Clinton and his family endured.

Poof! She disappears into thin air.

Enter Mr. Condit’s conduct, who hadn’t counted on so many others knowing about his affair, a deja vu of Monica Lewinsky’s runaway mouth. Now, I don’t fault Mr. Condit’s initial knee-jerk denial, which is standard for anyone first confronted with allegations of infidelity. But, he carried it too far, continually lying to his staff and to the public when he knew he’d been had, then stalling and hiding behind the protective armor of his attorneys. His cooperation in allowing authorities to search his residence is not so meaningful because there was nothing to be found there that would be incriminating.
So, why not?

He had one great opportunity to pull off a psychological coup, by either offering, or at the least agreeing, to take a lie detector test by an examiner agreed upon by both sides, law enforcement and the Condit camp. Instead, he weaseled out and took a clandestine polygraph conducted by an examiner hired by his own lawyers. Hmmm. Are we supposed to be impressed? Well, that backfired, adding more fuel to the fires of suspicion than dousing them.


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15. "Since Then"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-02 AT 03:01 PM (EST)
 
LP
Since that article was written they found her body. There was a Grand Jury investigating her death. Condit was subpoenaed during the investigation by the GJ. He simply didn't show up. They "rescheduled", and I don't think they ever interrogated him. The fact is he avoids the issue. He was a suspect but due to his avoidance of the investigation there is nothing to conclude. It's open as far as I know.
edit
Also a man was found who had been attacking joggers in that area of the park. He is in jail, although I believe the two women joggers that he attacked identified him and so they must be still alive. In other words he didn't kill them, he simply attacked them for money I suppose. Recently there was an Enquirer story saying that he confessed to a fellow inmate to killing Chandra. There's nothing from reputable sources, however.


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16. "RE: Necktie party"
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   So that is what the airline steward was refering to and never would come out and say Condit likes to choke down his sex partners are is it he likes to be choked down are maybe they choke each other. I must say I have never been into choking thing find it repulsive but some folks get into that stuff. TO EACH HIS OWN!!!


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17. "FYI Sam"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-02 AT 04:49 PM (EST)
 
In case you weren't aware, there are some who believe the garrote used on JonBenet was for the purpose of strangulation sex. There were two marks on her neck suggesting she was twice strangled. Also in the Butts case Jennifer Butts was strangled with a phone cord. In both cases, the autopsies suggest insertion of a foreign object in the vagina. Also, the picture of Gary Oliva appears to have a similar mark on his neck. Also, some speculate that Danielle van Dam wore a choker to cover such a mark.
edit:
so, in my opinion, there is a relationship among all those cases...not necessarily the same killer but same group.


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18. "???"
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   I don't see any conspiracies out there. I think the Butts murders are totally unrelated to the Ramsey murder is totally unrelated to the Condit affair.

As for Lin Wood, he takes on clients who want libel lawyers who are willing to fight the big guys - and Lin Wood is tenatious and effective. He doesn't want to waste his time on losing cases, he likes living nice and going on vacations with his family - - and a wife and 4 kids costs. He gets part of every settlement - and I don't think the man is likely to take on many cases that are obvious losers. It appears Condit may well be innocent of murder or any plans to murder... and it appears he may have been libeled by people with deep pockets. Why WOULDN'T Lin Wood take on that case?


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19. "RE: ???"
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   Well win or lose he gets paid. But the reason he shouldn't take that case is that he will lose. To sue the publisher of a censored article which represents an opinion that suggests something is probably a freedom of speech issue. Can the publisher of a censored writing be held responsible for "suggested" defamation by someone else? Only if it is baseless. I don't have the article nor the facts but I do not think Condit wants to have his sex life exposed to the public any more than it already has been. So when it comes to the point where he has to argue against the numerous women he has interacted with over his lifetime, I'll be willing to bet he doesn't even come to court, even if subpoenaed.


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20. "Chandra would not jog in the park."
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   Chandra's friends have stated that she was safety conscious and would not have gone for a jog in the park. Considering that Chandra had viewed websites of the Kringle Mansion before her disappearance, I would say that she was lured to the park for a pre-planned murder.

As I stated before, Lin Wood has said that he would never represent someone who he thought was guilty. Maybe he changed his mind about that. If one digs real deeply into Condit's actions, then he or she is likely to become suspicious of Condit.


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21. "Mikie"
In response to message #20
 
   That "article" is actually just an opinion piece, just as we write our opinions here in this forum.

Much of the early stuff about Condit was, IMO, just the same as that Enquirer stuff: tabloid trash. Condit is no angel and a crummy husband, but I don't see any indication he had anything to do with Chandra's death.


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22. "Miranda"
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   Lin Wood is not a criminal lawyer defending clients as guilty or innocent in court. He's a civil lawyer and defends clients from libel and slander, which by definition is untrue claims about the clients.

Representing Condit means that Wood maintains that what was said/written by that particular person being sued over what she said/wrote is untrue and cannot be legally defended.


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23. "The mark on Oliva's neck"
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   appears to be a regular, everyday age wrinkle/line.

Check the online photos of plastic surgeons who do necklifts and you'll see the same lines/wrinkles on "before" shots.


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24. "RE: The mark on Oliva's neck"
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   Well here is an example of what you are talking about. But I don't think it is the same. Oliva does not look that old. If you see a picture of a line like his (low on the neck) would you post it? Also if you could enlarge the photo of Condit's neck I would like to see if there is a garrotemark on his neck. Thanks.


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25. "Condit"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-02 AT 11:47 AM (EST)
 
I didn't follow that case - - is there some evidence he ever choked anyone or used a garotte? if so, share. if not, please don't spread that here.


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29. "Jameson"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-02 AT 02:58 PM (EST)
 
There is evidence that Chandra Levy was strangled, as her hyoid bone was broken. There is no evidence per se that Gary Condit uses strangulation sex on a regular basis. There was a remark from Willie Brown about a year ago that suggested that Condit was notorious for strangulation sex. I don't have a url for that comment but I believe it was in an online news article. And Willie Brown (SF Mayor) didn't say exactly that, he implied it, such as saying that Condit liked to use his necktie during sex, something like that.

If you feel that there is a problem with my posts please feel free to delete them. I try not to post falacious information but this is a case where I cannot find the quote and so it is unprovable.

Here's evidence Chandra was strangled. It also shows the guy who assaulted joggers in the same area around the same time was given a lie detector test and he passed.

http://crime.about.com/library/weekly/aa071501a.htm

edit:
Results of poll:
Who Killed Chandra Levy?

Gary Condit (4404)
84%

Somebody else she knew (217)
4%

A serial killer (187)
3%

The man convicted of assaulting 2 other women in the same park last spring (335)
6%

A mugger (48)
0%

Nobody; she died of natural causes or in an accident (as of May 24, 2002, her death still hadn't been ruled a homicide) (11)
0%


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26. "RE: Mickie"
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   Yes Mickie I agree that JB was very much stranguled with the garrot for sexual purposes.
Ref Jessica Butts I dont think Jessica was stanguled for sexual purposes I think she was stranguled to keep her from calling the police then I think she was sexually assaulted post mortem with the susp penis by evident of the 3 pubic hairs located around her body and one on her body and of course the crabb egg.


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27. "RE: Question on Danielle Vandam"
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   Was foriegn dna found on Danielle that could not be linked to anyone?


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28. "RE: Question on Danielle Vandam"
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   No foreign DNA was found on Danielle's body. However, there was a mixture of her blood and DNA from an unidentified source found on her bed. The source of the undentified DNA has not even been investigated by SDPD as far as I know. That would not be useful in convicting Dave Westerfield so they don't want to go there. It might implicate the real killer. Heaven forbid!


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30. "LovelyPigeon"
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   You state:
"Lin Wood is not a criminal lawyer defending clients as guilty or innocent in court. He's a civil lawyer and defends clients from libel and slander, which by definition is untrue claims about the clients.

Representing Condit means that Wood maintains that what was said/written by that particular person being sued over what she said/wrote is untrue and cannot be legally defended."

Wood actually stated something to the effect that he does not take on people who he believes are guilty of the crime they are accused of. It does not matter that he is a civil lawyer. Either Wood changed his mind on who he will represent or he hasn't dug very deeply into the Chandra Levy case. While there may never be enough evidence to convict Condict, most people who are very familiar with Condit's words and actions cannot feel extremely confident of his innocence.



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31. "Innocent of what?"
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   Lin Wood may feel that Condit is a cheating sack of chit who he is thankful not to have as a brother in law - - - but he may believe he is totally innocent when it comes to the murder of Chandra Levy. That's all that counts.


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32. "RE: Innocent of what?"
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   No, Jameson, that is not the issue. The issue is whether Condit is defamed by the article entitled "Condit: Gays, Bisexuals and Murder", and the article itself has not been published here. It was censored by the US government and yet LizMichaels published it anyway on her website. The lawsuit can only be judged when and if we see the article. Without the article nobody can tell whether it is defamatory. Certainly the title does not say "Gary Condit is Gay, Bisexual and a Murderer" but rather, something more vague.


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33. "Jameson"
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   You state:
"Lin Wood may feel that Condit is a cheating sack of chit who he is thankful not to have as a brother in law-"

I say:
Lin Wood has made a previous comment about not defending anyone who he does not believe is innocent. That is the point I am making. I have never heard any other lawyer make such a statement. The point I am trying to make is that Wood either changed his mind about who he will represent or actually believes that Condit is innocent.

You state:
"- - but he may believe he is totally innocent when it comes to the murder of Chandra Levy. That's all that counts."

Does Lin Wood really believe that Condit is innocent? If so, Lin should dig into this case more deeply. Lin will most likely become very suspicious of Condit.


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34. "gay"
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   Well, when I went to Atlanta to meet the poster known as Anderson, he took me out to meet a friend of his. He took me to a gay bar. Bought me a soda and we sat and talked and watched the people.

I guess that wasn't the proper place for me to be - - but I came home and told my husband and kids about it - - I met someone actually named "Elvis Presley" and we had a nice visit. He sure didn't hit on me - I was as safe as could be.

So it doesn't matter to me if Condit was in a gay bar. I don't even care if he IS gay (I am not homophobic) - but I feel bad for his wife if it is true. None of that makes him guilty of the murder of Chandra Levy. Does it?

Or are you thinking Lin needs to believe Condit is innocent of any homosexual leanings in order to sue here? Geesh - - I don't know... and is it really worth worrying about? I mean, isn't what we do behind closed bedroom doors our own business?

I am remembering an old song - - "Ain't nobody's business but my own"


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