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LovelyPigeon
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2506 posts		 Oct-10-02, 11:07 AM (EST)
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"The *boat shape*"
 
   Is the *boat shaped structure* on the *brownish mark* supposed to be shown on this photo, taken at the crime scene when JonBenét's body was lying on the living room floor? I see what is roughly boat-shaped going across the dark mark, with the "stern" pointing downward toward about 6 o'clock.

However, if that's the *boat shaped structure*, it's only 2 blonde hairs lying atop the mark! There are lots of loose blond hairs
on the side of JonBenét's face in that photo.

From the 48 Hours Investigates 2002 trranscript
Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Instead, Spitz believes the large dark mark on JonBenét's face was left by
a snap on a piece of clothing."

Dr. Werner Spitz: "You know like the snaps they have on blue jeans, for instance. If you look at this one below the ear, this thing here. If you look at it closely with a magnifying glass you will see within
this brownish mark there is a boat shaped structure which is missing in any of the other injuries."


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Sam
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257 posts		 Oct-10-02, 11:50 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: The *boat shape*"
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   I'm no specialist in stun gun marks but I can assure you of one thing it's not no snap or button mark that's for sure and what is this white mark below the brown mark could that be where he stun gunned her over the tape that was over her mouth leaving the adhesion side melted to her skin. I can see the boat shape but that doesn't mean nothing just the way it happened.


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Sam
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2. "RE: The *boat shape*"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-02 AT 12:02 PM (EST)
 
Lovely your right I just looked at it with a magnifying glass it is 2 blond hairs.


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LovelyPigeon
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3. "That white mark"
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   seen on JonBenét's face in the photo taken in the living room is no longer white when photographed at the autopsy the next day.

The autopsy photo shows the mark to be dark and resembles the pair of marks seen on her back.

Could be there was adhesive from the duct tape that adhered to her skin and came off during the transport of the body from the house to the morgue to the autopsy table.


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Sam
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4. "RE: That white mark"
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   Are they wiped it off. Lovely I think maybe that's what it is and if so that proves a stun gun was used.


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Sam
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5. "RE: That white mark"
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   Let's assume that the white mark is adhesion from the duck tape IF so that would mean he zapped her on her face after he had her in the wine cellar and after he put the tape and probably the garrot around her neck which shows just how saddistic this SOB was.
The more I think about it the more I want to go up there and kick the S**t out of Oliva.


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6. "RE: That white mark"
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I don't see a boat shape, but as far as the Spitz comment goes, I think there's a vast difference between a mark made by an object with an image of a boat (as the comment is being interpreted elsewhere) and describing the mark as "boat shaped."

IMO it's illogical to assume Spitz was saying a snap or button shaped like -or- with the image of a boat left the dark mark on JonBenet's face. What I think he was doing was describing an image to use as a point of reference when discussing the features of the stun gun mark - he could likewise have compared the features of the mark to one of the 50 states, without necessarily implying that JonBenet's face rested against an actual 'button or snap' with an outline of the State of Texas, for example!


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DonBradley
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7. "Nautical Nuances"
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   I don't see any boat shape and I don't even see any consistency in the disputed marks that might be a boat of any sort.

Surely if sone 'snap' made those marks, then somewhere in this expert's office there is a drawer full of snaps that can be applied to an anesthetized pig and this 'boat' can be reliable duplicated.

Or did some expert totally miss the boat in his analysis of this case?


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LovelyPigeon
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8. "Missed the boat? See here!"
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   I've outlined in black beside the two white-ish lines across the dark mark that Spitz might be referring to as *boatshaped*. (The white-ish lines are blonde hairs and not actually part of the mark itself. They don't appear in the autopsy photo close-up of this dark mark.)


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LovelyPigeon
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9. "3 photo views"
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The two on the top are the mark on JonBenét's face near her right ear, from different photos. The one on the bottom is from Bogg's face, near his right ear.


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Sam
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10. "RE: 3 photo views"
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   The top right image is it the one that was white are had adhesion on it because it looks smaller than the one on the left indicating If it was tape it didn't get as good of contact with the skin causing that mark to be smaller.


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LovelyPigeon
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11. "Didn't mean to mislead, Sam"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-16-02 AT 06:50 PM (EST)
 
but both of the top photos are the same mark, shown at different angles in different photos of JonBenét's body.

The other marks on her body that are believed to be made by a stun gun are smaller and have an appearance "squared" sides.

The comparison to the mark on Boggs' face shows how similar that single mark is to the one mark on JonBenét's face. Other marks, made by the same stun gun, on Boggs' face are not as large as that single one and have a different appearance.

The same stun gun can cause marks of different size and coloration, depending on the angle the gun is held, whether the probes actually touch the skin, and the duration the gun is held to the skin.


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Sam
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12. "RE: No problem Lovely"
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   But the first photo showing the two marks one is white and is smaller I was just wondering IF it was tape maybe the probe didn't make as good contact with the skin thus causing that mark to be smaller.


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Sam
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13. "RE: Follow up"
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   I have a magnifying glass with a measurment ruler on it and the top first photo showing the white mark is half the width and size than the dark burn looking mark I wonder why. Could it be that the white mark was caused by adhesion from the tape that was put on JB mouth and the electrical probe didn't make as good of skin contact making that mark smaller.


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