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"Transcript part 4 - scene of the crime"
 
  
Part 4 - Scene of the Crime

(Background shots of Ramsey house including window grate)

Lou Smit: "This is how I believe the killer got in."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Retired homicide detective Lou Smit was still working on the official
investigation when he concluded a stranger came into the Ramsey house"

Lou Smit: "He opened the grate and he went in..."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "...and killed their six year old daughter."

(images of open basement window and grate)

Lou Smit: "There's three windows there. The center one was the one that was open. Take a look real
closely at the one on the left. What you're going to see is the leaves and debris pressed right up against
the window. Now let's look at the one again in the center. No leaves or debris."

Erin Moriarty: "Which says?"

(basement window with suitcase below window)

Lou Smit: "That window was open. Directly below that open window you have a suitcase, directly
around that suitcase you have leaves and debris from that window well around that suitcase. Also,see if
you look very closely, you'll see a mark goes right down the wall."

Erin Moriarty: (Pointing at photo of wall by window) "Right here"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "A scuff mark that Smit believes was left from someone either climbing in
or climbing out"

Erin Moriarty: "And you can fit through that window?"

Lou Smit: "Oh, without any problem."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "In fact he has as you can see in this video as part of Smit's investigation."

(images of Smit climbing out basement window)

Lou Smit: "It's much easier to go out that window if you stand on something. You put the suitcase in
front, you step on the suitcase, and you'reright out into the window well. Lift the grate and you're gone.
It's that easy."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "But why would an intruder kill JonBenét and leave the bazaar two and
half page ransom note with paper and pen belonging to Patsy? Boulder Police believe that Patsy used it
to make it look like an intruder killed JonBenét."

Erin Moriarty speaking to Lou Smit: "But if someone had been targeting JonBenét Ramsey, wouldn't he
at least bring the paper and pencil to write this ransom note, I mean...."

Lou Smit: "They probably wouldn't bring it in. Why would you bring something in that can be traced
back to your house where you have actual the pen and the ink and you have the paper right there that it
was written on?"

Erin Moriarty: "But you can't count on finding that in the house."

Lou Smit: "Can't count on it. Most houses have that."

Erin Moriarty: "No expert could eliminate Patsy Ramsey as the writer of the ransom note. That's
damning isn't it?"

Lou Smit: "No not at all. You're always going to have similarities in handwriting. To sit down and write
a note like that, with all of those details in there after brutally killing your daughter, you'd never done
that before? Come on, give me a break."

(images of stun gun marks on JonBenét)

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "But more than any other evidence, Smit believes these small marks left on
JonBenét's face and back prove an intruder killed her."

Lou Smit: "The killer had a stun gun. I am sure the killer had a stun gun."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "A stun gun, an electrical weapon used to incapacitate the little girl in order
to move her to the basement. Smit believes only an intruder would need to use one. "

Lou Smit: "There is no reason at all for the parents to have used a stun gun to help stage the murder of
their daughter."

Erin Moriarty: "Was there any indication that the Ramsey's had ever owned a stun gun?"

Lou Smit: "There was nothing to indication that the Ramsey's ever owned a stun gun"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "What is significant about these injuries, says Smit, is that those on the
child's face, and those on her back, appear to be an equal distant apart".

Lou Smit: "They are approximately 3.5 centimeters"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Much like the prongs of this stun gun"

Lou Smit: "And they are approximately 3.5 centimeters apart."

Dr. Michael Dobersen: "And if I push this..."

(Dr. Michael Dobersen demonstrates stun gun)

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Dr. Michael Dobersen"

Dr. Michael Dobersen: "...you can see the electricity arching"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "The coroner for neighboring Arapahoe County, also believes the marks on
JonBenét were left by a stun gun."

Dr. Michael Dobersen: "What we have to do is match up the injuries with the weapon."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "And to prove it, he used one on the skin of an anesthetized pig."

(images of the stun gunned pig and marks on JonBenét)

Erin Moriarty: "What am I seeing on the left?"

Lou Smit: "What you are seeing on the left, is, you're seeing the actual injury on the back of JonBenét,
the marks are similar in size and shape and color and they are a certain distant apart.. On the pig too,
you see marks that were left on the skin of the pig."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "While there are some differences, both Dobersen and Smit believe the
experiment confirms a stun gun was used."

Dr. Michael Dobersen: "If it's not a stun gun, I would like to know what it is."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Three other pathologists agreed, but the Boulder Police are relying instead
on this man's opinion."

(Erin Moriarty talking with forensic pathologist, Dr. Werner Spitz)

Erin Moriarty: "How sure are you that it's not a stun gun?"

Dr. Werner Spitz: "Well I'm a hundred percent sure because stun gun injuries don't look like that."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Dr. Werner Spitz, a nationally known pathologist who has worked on
major cases including the assassination of J.F. Kennedy."

(photos of marks on pig and marks on JonBenét)

Erin Moriarty: "This was found on her and this was done on a pig skin."

Dr. Werner Spitz: "Are you telling me that this looks to you like the other one, the one that JonBenét
has? They don't look like that to me, at all. A stun gun injury is an electrical burn, it's a burn,
essentially. And these don't look like burns."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Instead, Spitz believes the large dark mark on JonBenét's face was left by
a snap on a piece of clothing."

Dr. Werner Spitz: "You know like the snaps they have on blue jeans, for instance. If you look at this
one below the ear, this thing here. If you look at it closely with a magnifying glass you will see within
this brownish mark there is a boat shaped structure which is missing in any of the other injuries."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Unfortunately, with only photographs to go by, no expert, not Dr. Spitz
and not Dr. Dobersen, can be one hundred percent sure."

(Moriarty talking with Smit and Dobersen)

Erin Moriarty: "Wouldn't that have been or the best way to know or come the closest to knowing, is if
you could have exhumed the body and line up a stun gun and see if it matches those injuries?"

Lou Smit: "Sure, I believe that would have been the most accurate way to do it."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Lou Smit admits that in the months following JonBenét's death,
investigators considered going to court to have her body exhumed but decided against it."

John Ramsey: "We had buried our child, she was in peace, that was just an abhorant thought"

Erin Moriarty: "But John that might have been the one way to know for sure, that could have resolved
the whole issue, because if a stun gun was used, it was not the parents."

John Ramsey: "Certainly, and we've got people who told us who know what they are doing that with
95% medical certainty that a stun gun was used. No question."

Erin Moriarty: "But you would have known with a hundred percent certainty if you had exhumed the
body, as tough as that would have been."

John Ramsey: "That's my child you're talking about, not a body. It's different."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Still Smit believes a stun gun is the key to JonBenét's murder."

Lou Smit: "I see the killer at the end of the intruder path"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "And he's searching for the killer or killers who own one."

Lou Smit: "The person who did this, if we're right, he's still out there."


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1. "BORG is confused"
In response to message #0
 
   Erin Moriarty: "Was there any indication that the Ramsey's had ever owned a stun gun?"

Lou Smit: "There was nothing to indication that the Ramsey's ever owned a stun gun"

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BORG is saying that the unviewed video from the SpyWorld store that included information on stun guns proves the Ramseys not only owned a stun gun but used it on their daughter.

I have a book on my shelf on home maintainance and improvement. I bought the book to learn how to rewire a lamp. I never used it to work on the washing machine - - and anyone using that book as evidence that I know anything about a washer other than how to turn it on is a fool.

The video was a video "catalog" of products the store offered. It is not evidence that they had interest in stun guns, certainly not evidence they owned one or used on that Christmas night.


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