Lesley Stahl: "You have seen and hear John and Patsy's denials. You seen for the first time how they
handled themselves under police interrogation. But what story does the physical evidence tell in the
murder of their daughter JonBenét? According to some detectives it's a far different story than what
the public has been lead to believe. Once again, here's Erin Moriarty."

(Shots of Ramsey house in Boulder)

Lou Smit: "This murder was not conducted upstairs in a nice little bedroom. This murder was
conducted
in the basement and it was very vicious and during the murder somebody sexually assaulted JonBenét.
This was all done in the deepest part of that house."

(shots of Lou Smit's house in Colorado Springs, Colorado)

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "One hundred miles away from where JonBenét Ramsey was murdered,
in a modest home in Colorado Springs..."

Erin Moriarty: (Talking to Lou Smit) "How often do you think about this case now?"

Lou Smit: "Probably every day"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Sixty seven year old Lou Smit works every day alone trying to find her
killer."

Lou Smit: "I keep a picture of her in my wallet."

Erin Moriarty: "You have JonBenét in your wallet?"

Lou Smit: Sure. I carry it all the time.

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "This is the same Lou Smit you saw interrogating John Ramsey back in
1998"

Detective Lou Smit: (June 1998 police interrogation tape talking to John Ramsey) "And I concentrate
my investigation on you"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "A veteran detective."

Lou Smit: (pointing to plaques on wall) "This one is the homicides I worked on"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "With such an impressive record for solving homicides, the Boulder
District Attorney hired him on the Ramsey murder case."

Detective Lou Smit talking to John Ramsey: "I have to stick up for the Boulder Police Department a
little bit."

Erin Moriarty to Lou Smit: "When you first started who did you think killed JonBenét Ramsey?"

Lou Smit: "My gut feeling was the parents did it"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "But as Smit followed the evidence and questioned the Ramsey's the more
he became convinced that the police were focusing on the wrong suspects."

Lou Smit: "John Ramsey came through very very sincere."

John Ramsey: (June 1998 police interrogation tape) "So when I first found her, I was like, thank God I
found her."

Lou Smit: "When I left that interview I had no doubts in my mind that he had nothing to do with the
death of his daughter."

Erin Moriarty: "Smit quit the investigation in disgust."

Lou Smit: "They hired me as a detective to look at this case. They may not like what I say, but I'm
going to say it. I don't think the Ramseys did it and I think they ought to start looking for the people
who
did."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Smit says it's in the evidence. The autopsy report, the intricate garrote
used as a murder weapon, the strange marks on JonBenét's back and most importantly the information
found in this DNA report."

Lou Smit: "As a detective I'm looking for clues"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "What is it that convinces Lou Smit that someone other than the Ramseys
killed their six year old daughter? First and foremost, the brutality of the crime. Nearly every medical
expert who has seen the autopsy report agrees on one thing. This was not an accidental death.
JonBenét Ramsey was cruelly and deliberately murdered. I need to warn you that what you are about
to see disturbing."

Erin Moriarty (Talking to Lou Smit) "What do we see here?"

(images of the garrote shown)

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "JonBenét was strangled not once, says Smit, but twice, with this
intricately made device known as a garrote that had to be made by the killer during the murder."

Lou Smit: "You see hair right inside the windings of that cord. That's JonBenét's hair."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "It's a device, says Smit, that was not left there for show. Whoever killed
JonBenét used the garrote to strangle her."

Lou Smit: "That shows a very brutal death. Notice how bright red that is. I'm being very clinical here.
That is bright red. What that means is she was alive when that was pressed into her neck that hard."

(images of JonBenét's neck)

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "JonBenét was not only alive, Smit believes she was fighting for her life.
There were marks that look a lot like scratches on her neck"

Lou Smit: "She did have her own DNA under her fingernails. I'm pretty sure that's a scratch to get that

off. I think she was struggling then."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "At some point the child was then hit with such force it crushed her skull
but her nightmare wasn't over. Shortly before she died investigators believe she was sexually
assaulted
with a piece of the paint brush to make the garrote."

Lou Smit: "There is no motive for the parent to do that."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "The evidence, says Smit, simply does not support the popular theory that
the Ramseys struck their daughter then tried to cover it up."

(images of paint tray in basement hall just outside windowless room)

Lou Smit: "It's not a mother waking up in the middle of the night saying, "oops, I think I hurt my child,
oops I got to bring her downstairs and fashion one of these things then I'm going to put it around her
neck and I'm going to tighten it a couple times while she's struggling." Now if you want to believe that,

go ahead, I can't say this on the air, but that's bullshit."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "But what about the fibers from Patsy Ramsey's jacket that police say
were in the paint tray and on the sticky side of duct tape covering JonBenét's mouth?"

Erin Moriarty: "Is the fact that there were fibers that were consistent with Patsy Ramsey's jacket
incriminating?"

Lou Smit: "Sure."

Erin Moriarty: "But does that shake your faith that the Ramsey's were not involved?"

Lou Smit: "No, you just can't rely on fiber evidence because fibers could come off the jacket or
something similar to the jacket."

(image of blanket and duct tape as found in windowless room)

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "What's more says Smit there were also dozens of unidentified fibers that
didn't come from the Ramsey's and Smit is unaware of a single case where a parent used a garrote like

this to kill a child."

Lou Smit: "This is one of the best clues left behind by the killer. This shows what's going on in his
mind.
This is a sexual device. I'm looking for a pedophile who's a sexual sadist. That's what Lou Smit's
looking for."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Smit's not the only one"

(images of Ollie Gray and John Sanagustin in van)

Ollie Gray: "There are 57 pages of names that have come out of the tip files."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Colorado private detective Ollie Gray and his partner John Sanagustin
were hired by the Ramsey's two years ago."

(Background shots of rear of Ramsey Boulder house)

John Sanagustin: (Pointing toward house) "That's JonBenét's room on the second level"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Even when the Ramsey's ran out of money, Ollie and John stayed on the
job"

Ollie Gray: "We probably do something on it two or three times a week."

Erin Moriarty: "Even though you're not getting paid?"

Ollie Gray: "Sure"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "They became convinced of the Ramseys' innocence after seeing this lab
report."

(photo of CBI lab report dated January 15, 1997 - a report that excludes the Ramseys as possible
sources of the unidentified DNA under JonBenét's nails and mixed with her blood in her panties.)

Ollie Gray: "I acquired a document that you see right here that names John and Patsy Ramsey as
suspects... was submitted for analysis reference DNA"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Days after JonBenét was murdered, her parents' were asked to give
DNA samples to the Boulder police. "

Erin Moriarty: (Talking to John and Patsy Ramsey) "You have given samples to the police?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Absolutely"

John Ramsey: "Absolutely, blood, hair, we've given them everything they asked for."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Their DNA was compared to foreign DNA found under their daughter's
fingernails and in her panties, which may have been left by the killer."

Erin Moriarty: "Does any of that DNA match anyone in the Ramsey family?"

Ollie Gray: "No, this analysis eliminates the Ramsey's"

Patsy Ramsey: "If our DNA had matched anything significant, they would have arrested us in a New
York minute and don't ever think they wouldn't have"

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "If not the Ramsey's, then who killed JonBenét?"

Ollie Gray: "No, this analysis eliminates the Ramsey's"

No way the DNA under her nails or mixed with her blood in her panties was from the Ramseys.

There are efforts to discount this evidence but it looks weak.

One story is that the clippers used to cut her nails may have been contaminated in the lab.

I thought we were talking a professional lab here, not the kid next door playing with his chemistry set.

If their lab is that sloppy, are they opening up the doors for all convicted felons to argue their lab tests are probably the work of imbeciles?

Whatever.... if the clippers were supposedly contaminated by DNA of Ms. Gordon, then why not check Ms. Gordan's DNA and PROVE IT! No - - -they like the innuendo better than the fact.

The DNA in her panties - - mixed with her blood. Could be the DNA of some little person in Taiwan who sewed the panties. Yeah, right. I have sewed since I was a kid - - and if there is DNA left in those panties from the person who made them, it is in the elastic, not the fabric, especially not after a wash.

I find the efforts to discredit that evidence insulting.

The BPD is trying to promote their theory and discredit the truth.

Shame

A pox on the man who prevents the truth from coming out.

Did Patsy ever paint while wearing that jacket, when she grabbed and hugged Jonbenet fiber transfer is very likely and she was wearing that jacket RIGHT. They have no evidence this doesn't prove squat, hell maybe she put the bowl of friut on the table and forgot or maybe Burk open a can of Dole pineapples and put it on the table wasn't his prints found on the bowl also and Patsy's could have been there from taking it out of the dish washer hell they lived in the house.

The DNA found under JB fingernails and in her panties what was it skin cells under her fingernails and what was it in her panties?
Seminal fluid, saliva or skin cells again just what was the source of the dna. We know the killer must have worn gloves because his prints would have been on the garrot handle if not. He may have worn a taboggin so none of his head hairs fell out. It was cold so he most likely had on a long sleeve shirt. What evidence is there to be found on the killer except fiber evidence and they have plenty of that they can't match up. We know the end of the paint brush was used to sexually assault JB so you should have no seminal fluid.

The ransom note did the police do a ninhydrant test on it was the killer wearing gloves when he wrote the note. I bet so many people handled that note there's no telling how many prints were found on it including the police if the test was even performed.

Now let's look at the evidence on Oliva or what we know about him. He has a extensive criminal record criminal tresspass,burglary,assault with a cord(tried to strangle mother) aggravated sexual assault of a 7 year old child spent time in prison over that. REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER and many many more to include drug charges. This is a dangerouse man a sadistic pedifile and child predator plus severe
mental disorders.

He was in the area very close area when JB was murdered he had oppurtunity to see her on numerouse occasions and to break in there home while they traveled. He called Michael and confessed to hurting a child in Boulder just a few days after JB was murdered not to mention the sick audio tapes Michael has who happens to know Oliva real well went to high school with him was his best friend and guess what Michael thinks you guessed it Gary Oliva killed JB he felt it so strongly he tried to report it to Boulder authorities who wouldn't listen or do anything.

The ransom note-- folks it looks like his writeing to me different letters match like a's and d's fast writeing then print the crazy ramblin only a certified nut would write.

The obsession with JB the stun gun picture of JB and a poem to JB at the one year memorial service returned to the sceen of the crime the black tape on his file. I would like to check that tape against the tape found on JB. What happened to the stun gun the electrical probes could have JB skin cells on it if it was used on her.

All we need is a little physical evidence to match up and we have beyond reasonable doubt. I would like to know what his alibi is for that night JB was murdered and where he hides his nasty personnel stuff like the end of the paint brush used to sexually assault JB he has a hiding place for his stuff you can bet on that all perverts do.

I like him for the murder of Jonbenet Ramsey and I want him investigated not with kit gloves but with a kick a** investigator.