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Maikai
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Oct-06-02, 01:16 PM (EST)
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"Why did Oliva turn himself in?"
 
   He obviously alluded authorities since 2000---when he disappeared off the radar screen, and a warrant was issued.

Why did he turn himself in two weeks ago? Why did he even bother going back to Boulder?


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Oct-06-02, 02:14 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Why did Oliva turn himself in?"
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   Why isn't he in a mental health facility? This is all very confusing,the man appears to be schizophrenic doesn't Boulder treat their mentally ill?


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Maikai
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2. "He didn't appear crazy on TV..."
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   although they say paranoid schizos can have a high level of functioning. It didn't appear he was hearing voices--totally out of it and delusional. His appearance wasn't dishevelled. He did speak matter-of-factly about JBR "revealing herself to him"---but not in a crazy sort of way. Perhaps he did get help...he was on medication. He looked dishevelled at the memorial service. Just not enough known about him---particularly where he was right after 12/26/96.


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3. "RE: He didn't appear crazy on TV..."
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   He is not crazy.

He may well have turned himself in for the free ride back to Oregon where he will enjoy being questioned by the police there about a murder.

Officially, he is wanted for a parole violation, but I'm sure you don't think that Oregon is suddenly desperate to get all those errant parole-violating child molesters back in Oregon.


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Maikai
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4. "Murder in Oregon, Don?"
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   Are you just speculating or do you know something we don't?


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5. "RE: Murder in Oregon, Don?"
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   >Are you just speculating or do you know something we don't?
Yes.

You can stay tuned for further details once he reaches Oregon. Meanwhile you might want to take a gander at the "Oregon Cases" thread about the two girls there and wonder if you really and truly think the Oregon authorities want more perverts in the state for some sort additional headlines or if you think they would prefer all those errant pervert/parole violators stay a long way away from Oregon. Ofcourse the Oregon authorities are glad to be rid of their perverts and don't care if they perambulate to persue previous perverted passions. They want him there to talk about a specific murder the details of which are not going to be discussed until rendition by Colorado is completed.



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Maikai
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6. "wow, thanks Don...."
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   you never fail to amaze me. Now...do you have any idea why Oliva turned himself in? They must have some pretty good suspicions in Oregon to target him. I wonder if they have his DNA on file---I think I recall reading that at the time he did the crime and did the time, it wasn't a requirement they furnish DNA.


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DonBradley
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7. "RE: wow, thanks Don...."
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   He will enjoy taunting the Oregon cops. It will be fun for him.

Sort of reminds you of someone who needlessly writes a note and needlessly makes it an utterly overly long one too. He enjoys the game. Same type of personality. Maybe the same person too.


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8. "Why did he?"
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   Remember John Doe in "Seven"? He turned himself in. It was part of his sick plan. A way to make fun of the cops.

I would say he likes the publicity, being in the spot light. And, if he is the murderer, he doesn't think anyone has anything on him. This is the arrogant, evil, grandiose, angry self.

And, if he is guilty, his "other (schizophrenic) self" may feel he derserves to be caught and punished. Like the very remorsefull, but unrepenant, person who called "Michael", and said approximately: I've done something horrible...I've hurt a little girl.

It looks to me that Mr. churchmouse had all the opportunity in the world, while passing up and down that alley behind the Ramsey's house, to go thru their trash, checking out pay stubs perhaps, and get familiar with the Ramseys habits or future travel plans. And, as one of the PI's noted, JonBenet and her brother Burke spent some time in the alley playing. Maybe a place to meet, wave, to exchange greetings-a place for a chance encounter where an obssession could start.


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9. "Oregon connection?"
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   There was a coed strangled in Oregon - - case a year ols and unsolved. Was Oliva there then? Worth checking out.

There are a couple little girls raped at night in Greshem,(sp?) Oregon. Another case that might be linked to Oliva.

Maybe he didn't do those crimes, but it sure couldn't hurt to look into it. This kind of criminal doesn't stopat one crime.


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Sam
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10. "RE: She revealed herself"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-02 AT 09:28 AM (EST)
 
to me when she died, I bet she did while he was choking the life out of her and sexually assaulting her at the same time. I don't care what the DNA results are in my opinion he is guilty until proven innocent isn't that what happened to the Ramsey's.

There is important evidence that can prove his involvement in Jonbenets death, the end of the paint brush that was taking as a souvenier and was used to sexually assault JB and Aliva has it.

This friend of Alivas who has the tapes knows he did it HELL Aliva confessed to him he had hurt a little girl in Boulder a few days after JB death. Sounds like a confession to me and with Aliva telling him that it's not hearsay.

Don't be fooled by this man he is brillant in a sick way and he knows what he is doing and he is very evil. I said it weeks ago in a post to Don Bradley that churchmouse fit my profile of the killer of JB well folks now you have seen him first hand. No doubt in my pea brain this is exactly the type of evil person who would use the type of device (garrot) to kill and sexually enhance his orgasmic feeling when he masturbates and dreams of JB revealing herself to him.

SICK-EVIL I've seen it to many times this punk is our boy now they better figure out how to prove it, because they may not have much evidence unless he will tell them where he hid the end of the paint brush.


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Guppy
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Oct-07-02, 09:30 AM (EST)
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11. "Sam"
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   It is probably some sort of optical illusion, but in the one picture we have of Oliva, it looks like there is the impression of a cord around his neck.


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12. "RE: Sam"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-02 AT 10:05 AM (EST)
 
You're right. It does look much like a strangulation sex mark. I think that might be what Danielle was hiding under her choker. I wouldn't besurprised with this guy.

But Sam, I think you are wrong. He looks like a duck and walks like a duck but he doesn't write like a duck (and DNA doesn't match). Also the head bash isn't mentioned. He might be a killer but I doubt he killed JonBenet. He might have watched as it happened, or heard of it from close friends.


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Sam
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13. "RE: DNA not a match"
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   What if he brought some dna with him some spit are seminal fluid from a used condom.
What if JB and some of the Whites children played doctor earlier in the afternoon.
Oliva is no virgin and has spent time in prison for aggravated sexual assault on a 7 year old child he is a registered sex offender. He would have knowledge on how to throw the investigation off simply by planting unknown dna since it's obviouse he left no prints and brought the tape and cord with him.
We don't know if all the unknown fibers found at the sceen may have belonged to Oliva.

Let me put it this way he was in the area during the time of the murder, he called his friend and confessed to hurting a child.
He is a sexual saddist and pedifile from the tapes and criminal history record a fact.
He had and still does have a obsession with JB not to mention the stun gun, pictures and poem.

Now folks just who do you think would committ a crime like this Patsy or Oliva I think it's pretty simple Oliva is our sick puppy and the killer of JB.
I want the end of the paint brush found and Oliva has it period.


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DonBradley
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14. "DNA and momentos"
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   Although planting dna at the scene is not utterly impossible it appears to be highly unlikely.

As for a momento, I don't think he took one. The paintbrush fragment may have had his blood on it, so he would have gotten rid of it.

He cherished the memories and did not need some physical object to remind himself of his night's work.

Oliva probably turned himself in so he could give a statement about the JBR case but be sheltered from any questioning about it.


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15. "RE: DNA and momentos"
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On the DNA - we know it doesn't match any of the Ramseys, but if it doesn't match Oliva's, does that mean he's home free?

I think the BPD should issue a statement (not a comment from anonymous 'sources') telling us whether Oliva's DNA has been compared to the underwear/fingernail DNA.

Is there a picture online of Oliva at the vigil?


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16. "RE: Guppy"
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   Yes it does look like a mark around his neck. He is probably into autoeroctism and chokes himself with a cord thus leaving and impression in his neck. The same thing he did to Jonbenet except he doesn't kill himself just works up the andorphines and then plays with himself.


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17. "DB"
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   > Oliva probably turned himself in so he could give a statement about the JBR case but be sheltered from any questioning about it.

Yes, what safer place for JonBenet's killer than Boulder? A brilliant observation.


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