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Maikai
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"Charlie Brennan's article in"
 
   the Rocky Mountain News:

Nation views police tapes
'48 Hours' points to sex offender in Ramsey case

By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News
October 5, 2002

America was offered a window into police interrogations of John and Patsy Ramsey on Friday night by a nationally televised program that pointed an accusing finger at another suspect outside the Ramseys and their inner circle.

Convicted sex offender Gary Oliva, 38, the suspect featured on CBS's 48 Hours, has already been discounted by Boulder police as the killer of JonBenet Ramsey. And the program acknowledged that "sources" have said his DNA doesn't match that recovered from the crime scene.

<b> And just who are those sources???</b>

Oliva, in a jailhouse interview, did admit on camera to an obsession with the murdered child beauty queen and said, "I believe that she came to me after she was killed and revealed herself to me." He was living in the Ram- seys' neighborhood at the time of the murder.
<b> The Dowaliby's schizophrenic brother-in-law said a similar thing about Jacqueline</b>

Evidence offered against Oliva included Ramsey advocates' belief that a stun gun was used in the crime - and the fact that Oliva had owned one.

But former prosecutor Michael Kane, who led a 13-month grand jury investigation into the Christmas night 1996 murder of JonBenet, doesn't believe a stun gun caused the unexplained marks found on JonBenet's back and face.

"The official autopsy report written by the pathologist who conducted the autopsy said that they were abrasions, and abrasions are not left by a stun gun," said Kane, now deputy director for taxation at the Pennsylvania Department of Revenue.

<b> Kane is smarter than that.....and he's known to do extensive research. Doberman made a wrong call, too, in the Dobbs murder-----called the marks abrasions, but then had the body exhumed and did the proper experiments to prove Dobb was stungunned. Just because the marks were missed as stun gun marks, does not mean Myers got it right--and Doberman and Smit did the proper research to prove that.</b>

Lou Smit is a retired El Paso County homicide investigator who worked on the case for then-Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter but quit prior to the grand jury probe. He has since continued to study the case on his own and is convinced the marks were caused by a stun gun. The Ramseys say they never owned a stun gun.

Smit has reached this conclusion largely through photographic analysis. But Kane is unconvinced.

"You can look at a photograph all you want, and say it looks like 'X,' but when you have a forensic pathologist who has performed hundreds and hundreds of autopsies - and was at the scene - and he said they are abrasions, that carries a lot of weight," Kane said.

<b>We haven't heard from Meyers. If Kane had bothered to research the scientific evidence, he would have learned that WORLD-WIDE stun gun marks are missed in ER rooms...during autopsies, if someone is looking for them, and unfamiliar with them.</b>

Kane, who didn't see the program Friday, offered no explanation for what might have caused the abrasions.

"The whole business of the stun gun is disputed," said Hunter, who was interviewed for the program but was traveling Friday night when it aired.

Hunter's longtime second-in-command, former Assistant Boulder District Attorney Bill Wise, watched the program.

"This reinforces what I have thought for 5 ½ years, that the Boulder Police Department focused, rightly or wrongly, on the Ramseys and ignored a lot of other leads," Wise said.

<b>Ahhh, finally an honest opinion from someone that should know.</b>

Smit, who has not been part of the official investigation team since September 1998, says that JonBenet was struck on the head only after first being viciously garotted - a scenario he said he believes would not fit a parent's involvement in the crime.

But that, too, was challenged by Hunter, who said which came first - the blow to the head or the strangling - has never been definitively established.

"There is disagreement amongst the forensic pathologists" on the issue, Hunter said.
<b>Hunter's a weanie---jmho, of course. I never got the impression he really felt the Ramseys did it</b>


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Maikai
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1. "Note...the writing between the"
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   <b> and </b> is my opinion, and addition. I was trying to bold that, but it didn't work like it normally does.


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2. "Kane didn't see the program"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-02 AT 12:51 PM (EST)
 
either.....isn't it amazing, that people like Kane and Beckner who devoted so much time to getting the Ramseys---particularly Patsy, choose to bury their heads in the sand now. This isn't about justice for JBR----it's about the male ego, and circling the wagons, and IMO chauvinistic attitudes. Why is it so hard for men to admit they could be wrong?


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3. "Its not hard."
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   >Why is it so hard for men to admit they could be wrong?
Its not hard.
Its just wrong to do it!


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4. "Brennan"
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   was writing BORG - - I am disappointed in him.


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5. "MORE"
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Hunter's longtime second-in-command, former Assistant Boulder District
Attorney Bill Wise, watched the program.

"This reinforces what I have thought for 5 ½ years, that the Boulder
Police Department focused, rightly or wrongly, on the Ramseys and
ignored a lot of other leads," Wise said.

God bless Wise for telling the truth on that one!


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6. "The whole article"
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   Nation views police tapes

'48 Hours' points to sex offender in Ramsey case

By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News
October 5, 2002

America was offered a window into police interrogations of John and
Patsy Ramsey on Friday night by a nationally televised program that
pointed an accusing finger at another suspect outside the Ramseys and
their inner circle.

Convicted sex offender Gary Oliva, 38, the suspect featured on CBS's 48
Hours, has already been discounted by Boulder police as the killer of
JonBenet Ramsey. And the program acknowledged that "sources" have
said his DNA doesn't match that recovered from the crime scene.

Oliva, in a jailhouse interview, did admit on camera to an obsession with
the murdered child beauty queen and said, "I believe that she came to
me after she was killed and revealed herself to me." He was living in the
Ram- seys' neighborhood at the time of the murder.

Evidence offered against Oliva included Ramsey advocates' belief that a
stun gun was used in the crime - and the fact that Oliva had owned one.

But former prosecutor Michael Kane, who led a 13-month grand jury
investigation into the Christmas night 1996 murder of JonBenet, doesn't
believe a stun gun caused the unexplained marks found on JonBenet's
back and face.

"The official autopsy report written by the pathologist who conducted the
autopsy said that they were abrasions, and abrasions are not left by a
stun gun," said Kane, now deputy director for taxation at the
Pennsylvania Department of Revenue.

Lou Smit is a retired El Paso County homicide investigator who worked
on the case for then-Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter but quit prior
to the grand jury probe. He has since continued to study the case on his
own and is convinced the marks were caused by a stun gun. The
Ramseys say they never owned a stun gun.

Smit has reached this conclusion largely through photographic analysis.
But Kane is unconvinced.

"You can look at a photograph all you want, and say it looks like 'X,' but
when you have a forensic pathologist who has performed hundreds and
hundreds of autopsies - and was at the scene - and he said they are
abrasions, that carries a lot of weight," Kane said.

Kane, who didn't see the program Friday, offered no explanation for
what might have caused the abrasions.

"The whole business of the stun gun is disputed," said Hunter, who was
interviewed for the program but was traveling Friday night when it aired.

Hunter's longtime second-in-command, former Assistant Boulder District
Attorney Bill Wise, watched the program.

"This reinforces what I have thought for 5 ½ years, that the Boulder
Police Department focused, rightly or wrongly, on the Ramseys and
ignored a lot of other leads," Wise said.

Smit, who has not been part of the official investigation team since
September 1998, says that JonBenet was struck on the head only after
first being viciously garotted - a scenario he said he believes would not
fit a parent's involvement in the crime.

But that, too, was challenged by Hunter, who said which came first - the
blow to the head or the strangling - has never been definitively
established.

"There is disagreement amongst the forensic pathologists" on the issue,
Hunter said.


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7. "One wonders "why"
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   Why was the show entitled "searching for a killer"?

>"This reinforces what I have thought for 5 ½ years, that the Boulder
>Police Department focused, rightly or wrongly, on the Ramseys and
>ignored a lot of other leads," Wise said.

The BPD are not searching, they never were. They focused on the parents and that was it. There was never any real search under way.
Even a known pervert with a history of killing a seven year old girl and who picked up his mail nearby and used the alleyway to get there, was not investigated for four years and then the BPD really didn't do even as thorough a job as the 48Hours correspondent did.



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8. "RE: One wonders "why"
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   WHY hasn't the BPD or city of Boulder been sued yet?????????????


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9. "Sued?"
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   Aside from the question of 'standing to sue' what would the cause of action be? General incompetence?


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10. "Malfeance.....gross negligence...."
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   civil rights violations, come to mind as a cause of action. In medical circles, a mishap is called malpractice---botching of the investigation on day one alone, may not be grounds.....but ignoring a lead where the tipster said the friend was sobbing and admitted to hurting a child? IMO, that's not excusable. Sounds like a confession, to me. Then you have the missed stun gun marks at autopsy. Who oversees the Medical Examiner? And why wasn't he required to research and revise his report when Lou Smit raised the question? It wasn't the Ramseys call to have JBR exhumed---the investigators could and should have done that. A stun gun used in the commission of the crime, IMO, should have been listed on the death certificate, since the end result was death. It was relevant to events leading to JBR's death.


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11. "Brennan"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-06-02 AT 09:03 PM (EST)
 
Either Brennan is BORG, he isn't paying attention, or worse.

Why is he talking about the DNA? The DNA excludes the Ramseys and the BPD still considers them suspects "internally", according to Chief Beckner himself. If the DNA doesn't exclude John and Patsy as suspects, then it cannot possibly exclude Churchmouse as a suspect. This is only common sense. Especially when one considers that Churchmouse is a convicted child molester and the Ramseys' have no criminal record.

Then, Brennan wastes the rest of his column talking about Churchmouse having a stun gun, explaining that there are a number of people who don't think a stun gun was used in the crime, including those at the BPD.

What is Brennan telling us, that being a convicted child molester who frequented the area where the crime took place doesn't count because he had a stun gun, and because there are many who think a stun gun wasn't used in the JonBenet murder? That is not only illogical, but idiotic.

What about checking out all of the convicted sex offenders known to frequent the area of the crime, like they do everywhere else in this country as well as the rest of the industrialized world? Come on, Mr. Brennan, if the BPD doesn't know to an absolute certainty where Churchmouse was on the night of the murder, then he should be a suspect - "internally" - until they find out. They might want to dig up some of his old handwriting, too. Do you know that in the only handwriting sample we have available, Churchmouse forms the letter "a" just like Patsy, and that her method of forming the "a's" was one of the main reasons she could not be eliminated as the writer of the ransom note? It would be interesting to see how Churchmouse formed his a's before the night of the murder. A list of his favorite movies would also be interesting.

Also, the authorities, or investigative reporters, or anyone else who is interested, might want to find out where he has been for the last few years, just to see if any little girls in those areas are missing, or have had their skin stripped off and "fried like bacon" by an unknown assailant.


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12. "RE: Brennan"
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   Forget Boulder, they should just go ahead and sue Charlie Brennan. ROFL


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13. "RE: Brennan"
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   I wanted to edit .11 but got a message saying a message cannot be edited after 60 minutes.

So, I would like to correct my statement that Brennan spent the "rest of the column" talking about the stun gun. My mistake. He talked about other things, too. I just stopped reading it after the stun gun comments.


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