DAVE LUCAS SHOW - December 30, 1998
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Dave Lucas: We have Pam Paugh, and from the Internet subculture….

Lance Matthews: We have Jameson, the infamous Jameson who runs Jameson's Timeline and Webbsleuth's forum.

Dave Lucas: Welcome back ladies

Lance Matthews: I just have a question. Jameson, I believe you made posts before that on the forums that Jonbenet's head was propped up on
something in the wine cellar. Is that correct?

Jameson: I am not going to answer that

Lance Matthews: Okay, no problem. And I guess something about Fleet White's fingerprints found on the duct tape?

Jameson: From what I understand, John Ramsey took the tape off of JonBenet's mouth before he carried her up the stars and after that a
police officer went to the basement with Fleet White to look around. I was told by a reliable source that Fleet White picked up the tape and
handed it to the police officer which under the circumstances, you know you don't know what you would do, again, how can you say what you
can do, I don't fault him at that and I am not saying he would do it delibertly to cover-up any evidence on it but bottom line there is suggestions
that his fingertips are on the tape.

Lance Matthews: Jameson, how did you meet Pam, how did you get in touch with the Ramsey's themselves. I know you are one of the first
people to be collecting data on this case and that is why you do have the timeline.

Jameson.: I started the timeline very shortly after the murder, its been up, its used by journalist, and the cops and the DA, everybody goes to
the timeline. When John and Patsy Ramsey first heard of me in February of '98 which is less than a year ago and they heard of me through
people that where were making the British documentary, they heard of me through David mills, Michael Tracy and the Co-producers, who are
the Newsweek reporters, Dan Glick and Sherry Keene-Osborne that was the first time they heard of me.

And then when I went and met them in person in May of '98 which is not very long ago they still hadn't seen my timeline, in fact perhaps they
thought perhaps 7 or 8 pages with times and dates which it is not, it is very detailed. I contacted Pam late this past summer because she had
decided to go public and at that time I thought it was reasonable for me to call her up and ask her to verify some things on the timeline and
asked if she would indeed speak to me and she has. I am not related to the Ramsey regardless of what my last name is. It is not a very
uncommon name. I am not related to them. My spouse is not related to them. I also am not being paid unless you want to count the cup of coffee
when I did meet them. I don't think everybody else understood that John actually bought it. A cup of coffee for being two years on this case, 12
to 20 hours a day, I think I am really cheap labor. I took the cup of coffee, I am a whore okay.

If you look on the other side, Peter Boyles and the media, the Globe, the Enquirer, those have more of financial interest than I do. I have a
home, I have a roof over my head and food. When Michael Tracy and David Mills decided to do the documentary they approached the Ramsey's,
and they said, and I want to tell you that Michael Tracy did not start out in this knowing a whole lot about the case and he definitely was not a
pro-Ramsey when he started this and he went to the Ramsey's and he said, "We are going to investigate this and before we do this we want to
tell you this is not your documentary, you are absolutely not going to tell us what to film, who to speak to, how to edit it and if the evidence
comes out looking bad for you that is what will be reported" and the Ramsey's agreed to that.

The first documentary indeed was not about whether or not the Ramsey's or anyone did it. I know without getting into any detail, I am in touch
closely with David Mills and Michael Tracy and I will tell you that we had discussion and we have often discussed, "well, lets look at the
Ramsey's, could they have done this, why would they have done this, is this possible." You know, we are not sitting down and saying well
absolutely the Ramsey didn't do this and won't discuss the evidence that is coming out but there are these rumors that being spread by the
tabloids and they say them and then they drop out of site because there is no supportive evidence. We have heard about affairs they had and all
of a sudden they are not talking about them anymore. Well the American public heard the smear, they didn't hear the corrections. They didn't
find out it just wasn't true. Wetting the bed , the 911 call, who heard the tape, there are a lot of smears that have come out that have been put on
the Ramsey's and basically the media just doesn't ever posts corrections.

And you know its funny because my husband said to me, "You know if I told you everyday that your right elbow had a bump on it and was ugly,
after a long enough time your going to believe it." And the American public don't really listen to the news anymore, I believe, but they say
something negative about the Ramsey's, constantly, constantly, constantly, never corrected, .they don't hear the other side and in the back of
their minds they don't really know what's the evidence is against the Ramsey's. Damit, ……. against them they must have done it. That is what
the media has done. You take somebody like Hodges who I think is a joke. You get somebody who goes into this reverse speech, my favorite
thing on this reverse speech was somebody posted to Peter Boyle's angry that he had put this reverse speech on his show and he said, "You
know Peter when I flush my toilet I played it, I taped it and played it backward and it said, there goes your creditability. "

Matthews: Okay Jameson, eh I hate to do this we will bring you back in a moment. We definately have to get to some callers because that's
regulation

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