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May-17-03, 02:45 PM (EST)
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"Thomas depo 24 - staging"
 
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Q. In your entire law enforcement career, Mr. Thomas, how many cases have you been involved in
where the law enforcement authorities concluded that there was staging with respect to a murder?

A. How many cases am I aware of?

Q. Let me ask you and if you would please help us move along. Again, if we don't finish today --

MR. DIAMOND: Your questions are not easy. If he asks for you to repeat it that is his right.

MR. WOOD: Judge Carnes can -- if I'm not being clear let me read it back.

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) In your entire law enforcement career, Mr. Thomas, how many cases have
you been involved in where law enforcement authorities concluded that there was staging with respect
to a murder?

A. None that I can think of.

Q. And is it your term that the ransom note found in the Ramsey home, have you been one to
describe it as the War and Peace of all ransom notes?

A. I did not originate that term, but I've heard that and used it, yes.

Q. This would be the War and Peace of all staging with respect to JonBenet Ramsey, wouldn't it, sir,
if it's a staged crime scene?

A. Well, I'm relying on the FBI experts who analyze these cases every day for a living and it was
their conclusion that there was staging in this crime scene.


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2. "RE: Thomas depo 24 - staging"
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   Q. You would tell me, too, that if JonBenet Ramsey was alive when she was strangled and alive
when she was molested and that there is evidence of a struggle in her neck area, that if you assume
those facts to be true, that that would be inconsistent with staging of a crime, correct?

A. I don't agree with the premise. I agree with the expert Dr. Spitz' conclusion on that.

Q. I'm asking you, though, sir. You're talking about staging the crime. If JonBenet were struggling
to try to get the garrote loose, that certainly would be inconsistent with the parent staging a crime
thinking her child was dead, true?

A. Mr. Smit did present to the police department that theory.

Q. But I'm not asking about Mr. Smit with all due respect.

A. I'm trying to answer the question.

Q. I'm asking you about the concept itself. If the child is found to be struggling to get at the garrote,
that would be totally inconsistent with the idea of staging by a parent who thought the child was dead. I
mean, that's just one and one equals two, doesn't it, sir?

A. Two different concepts. I disagree. I think that, as I've have said, I think parents have killed
their children in a variety of ways.

Q. I'm talking about staging where you think your child is dead or your child is dead and you're trying
to stage a crime scene. After the fact that's staging, right, to make it look like something that it's not,
true?

A. Staging, my understanding is just that, recreating or messing with a crime scene to divert
attention, making it appear something that it's not.

Q. Then if you've got a child that is trying to pull at the garrote, that would not be consistent at all
with the parent placing a garrote and tightening it around the child's neck to make it appear that the
child was strangled as part of staging a crime, would it, sir, can't you --

A. No.

Q. -- acknowledge that --

A. I'm not going to go along with that and agree to it.

Q. Why not?

A. I just don't agree with it.

Q. So Patsy Ramsey theoretically had JonBenet Ramsey there pulling at this garrote around her
neck, scratching at it and you still believe that the garrote would have been placed there by Patsy
Ramsey to stage the crime; is that what your testimony is?

A. If that's what you're telling me, I won't dispute that's what happened.

Q. Do you believe that is what happened?

A. No. I've offered a hypothesis that I believe was consistent with the evidence as I knew it, that
possibly what happened.

Q. Let me ask you something about the use of the word hypothesis. Where did you come up with
that word? You use it in almost every interview.

A. I don't know, in school somewhere.

Q. As it applies to your book?

A. No, you asked me where I learned the word hypothesis.

Q. Are you prepared to state as a fact, sir, that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter?

A. No, I'm prepared --

Q. Thank you.

A. -- to say, as I have in the past, that that's my belief.


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3. "Thomas answered..."
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   Question by Lin Wood: "Are you prepared to state as a fact, sir, that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter?"

Answer by Steve Thomas: "No."


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Smokey
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Jun-02-03, 01:25 PM (EST)
 
4. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   Thomas rejects the "idea" JonBenet was alive and clawing at the garrotte, because it doesn't fit with his "idea" of how Patsy allegedly staged the crime scene.

Steve Thomas' ideas are only ideas - his hypothesis as he calls it.
But whether JonBenet clawed at the garrotte can be proven as fact.

It's unfortunate that when faced with the truth he pretends to not understand the question, or gives a confusing answer. I understand the question and his answer very well.

He at some point recognized that if JonBenet was alive the crime wasn't staged by a distraught Patsy manipulating the cord around the dead body of JonBenet. Yet he refuses to accept that the FACTS do not support his "belief."


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Slapfish
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Jun-02-03, 01:37 PM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   >Question by Lin Wood: "Are you prepared to state as a
>fact, sir, that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter?"
>
>Answer by Steve Thomas: "No."

I think he gave up too soon in getting him to admit that there is evidence that she clawed at the garrote and that fact is not consistant with staging. I know dealing with ST is exasperating, but I wish he'd hung in a little longer. Left it as a hypothetical instead of switching to JB and Patsy.


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jamesonadmin
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Jun-02-03, 02:09 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   Lin Wood would have loved more time to get into that deposition.

I bet he could have gone three full days - - just like LE did with the Ramseys...

but Thomas and his lawyer were not about to agree to that!!!!!


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candle
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Jun-02-03, 02:49 PM (EST)
 
7. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   Reading ST's depositon should be making it obvious to anyone who ever thought ST cared about JonBenét or the truth. HA!! This man was not trying to solve this murder. He had a plan.

Now, if not for the Ramsey's lawsuit and if not for our "hero" Darnay Hoffman, he might have actually made his case. Fame and fortune was what he was going after. He didn't even look for a perp. Why?

Who MIGHT have benefited from this crime? Steve Thomas, if things had continued to go his way. What kind of evil man could destroy someone who has already been devastated, just to glorify himself? What else is he capable of?

And when studying this case several years ago, I read that Thomas resigned on JonBenét's birthday and that he had to pull over on the shoulder and cry........I nearly puked. I never believed he was sincere and the depo justifys my opinion as far as I'm concerned.

The man has always made me sick. I wish someone could find and post his handwriting. I think they should check his DNA too. And I don't really care who thinks I'm crazy. Steve Thomas is a nutcase, and he's as good of a suspect as anyone else, even better than allot of the others I've read about over the years. So what if he's a cop.


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Slapfish
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Jun-02-03, 07:46 PM (EST)
 
8. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   Tell us what you REALLY think Candle

Actually I have to agree with you. There are a lot of bits and pieces that point to someone in law enforcement. AND ST has gained the most from this crime.

Is he capable of it? He's certainly capable of being a lying, sneaking, cowardly, manipulating DOG. The only thing I don't the he has is the BRAINS for it. Steve is one low functioning SOB. This perp was smart. Sick as hell, but smart.


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9. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   There is nothing at all out there that I know of that makes Steve Thomas a suspect. Not a thing.


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Slapfish
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Jun-02-03, 08:56 PM (EST)
 
10. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   >There is nothing at all out there that I know of that makes
>Steve Thomas a suspect. Not a thing.

Well I can still speculate can't I? He's probably never been investigated has he? I mean why would he? So, absent any investigation why would you have seen any evidence against him?

It's a possibility that this crime was committed by someone who wanted to create a crime in order to solve it and get attention from it. There are many cases of arsonists who turn out to be fire fighters, and nurses or doctors that induce a "trauma" so they can rescue the patient and be a hero.

You have to admit that there are a lot of things that point to someone in law enforcement.

1. MagLight
2. Hi-tech boot print
3. Interest in crime movies.
4. Reference to authories in RN
5. Apparent knowledge of forensics and staging.

Still I don't think Steve was the killer. Like I said, he's too stupid.


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candle
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Jun-02-03, 09:23 PM (EST)
 
11. "RE: Thomas answered..."
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   Slapfish

I have to agree with you as far as ST being stupid, but look at how far he was able to get selling his theory before it began to backfire on him. And his depo shows that he was playing games with everyone around him.

Your right there are many cases of firefighters, cops, doctors, nurses, etc., committing terrible acts in order to gain attention...be a hero....get money.

I know that if you saw ST's handwriting you would be amazed. I know that there are people here who still have those samples but reject the possibility so they don't want to post them. If only LP were still here. I drifted away from the forum a couple years ago and didn't keep them. I wish I had.

Since Lin Wood DID notice the profound similarity in handwriting's I think it is doubtful Thomas would get away with it, so no, I don't think he did it, although I will always have my doubts until someone is caught. Remember too, his initial alibi turned out to be untrue, and he has no witness to his where-abouts that night.

It's a pretty far-fetched idea, I agree, however, stranger things have happened. And everything about ST stinks to high-heaven. IMO.


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