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"Misinformation found on the net"
 
  
"Misinformation found on the net"


That Lou Smit's DeLorian car was a gift from the Ramseys. Not so - - he owned it well before the
death of JonBenét.

That Lou and his son are developing new software for LE application <b>with John Ramsey</b>. John
Ramsey has nothing to do with it.


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1. "RE: Misinformation found on the net"
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   Of all the threads this forum now has or ever will have, this thread on misinformation should rightly be the longest since there is so much material out there that is appropriate for it.

Catherine Crier reported the other day about the 'intruder theory' being hinged on the heel print and now being 'off the table' and that the window entry was impossible for a full-grown man to navigate. Now, I've never met Lou Smit and I never will meet him, but I have seen photographs of him and while I don't wish to be impolite in my description of him... well, lets just say that such words as 'slim' or 'slightly built' sure don't come readily to mind. What's the matter, Catherine? Can't you even view your own thirty second film clips and see what is obvious?


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2. "That window"
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   I have personally gone through that window - - it isn't so small.

I believe Steve Thomas has gone through it too.

That bit about it being too small is BS.

John broke it so HE could get in when he was locked out - - and he isn't so tiny, either.

Other lies - - that someone couldn't step over the note on the stairs. I did it - - and I had someone take moving photos to prove it. It was not hard at all.


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3. "RE: That window"
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   Kind of scary thinking she used to be a judge.


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4. "writers"
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   Catherine Crier and John Walsh and others don't do the research - - they trust others to do it for them. I think they need to demand a bit more honesty in detail.

We have Crier talking to Darnay Hoffman who is suing the Ramseys for accusing 2 people in their book of killing JonBenét - - like they couldn't make up their mind? Actually, they don't accuse either one - - they correctly said they were looked at as possible suspects. We have her saying that some unnamed source says some cops believe the bootprint is Burke's - - and suddenly is seems more like a fact that it WAS Burke's print - - and the <b>FACT</b> is that some cops have decided that could be an explanation that would fit their BORG theory. They can't prove it is Burke's - - it is a theory that is NOT supported by the evidence. (You can see why Beckner backed off it - - he knows better. The print is a mystery. Period. Much more likely it was a COPS' print than Burke's.)

John Walsh had JonBenét being put to bed in a red shirt then changed, and he had JonBenét hanging inthe basement, cut down by her father.

Realize, they are not well-informed on case - - this case isn't THEIR addiction. They have dozens of cases and they are just telling a story as they heard it from someone else.


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5. "the footprints"
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   Misinformation - that "the BPD matched the print to Burke's Hi-Tec shoes"

The police never found any Hi-Tec footwear in the Ramsey house - or anywhere - so it would <b>real difficult</b> to make a match. In fact, it would be impossible.

Charlie Brennan's story never said the cops had matched any footwear to the print. He only said some investigators have the personal belief that Burke left the print there - - and he specifically said the same investigators do NOT think it has a thing to do with the crime.

I disagree with Brennan's source. There was no evidence at all that indicated the Ramseys owned any Hi-Tec footwear at the time of the murder. The hint or rumor that Burke EVER owned Hi-Tec shoes is unproven and remains simple gossip.


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9. "the window"
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   A&E aired the British Documentary again. It clearly showed the window in the basement - - that it was big enough for an average man to get in - and out of.

On another forum, someone posted that the "old, small window" had been replaced with a larger window.

Not true.

The lies on some of the other forums are just incredible.


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10. "RE: the window"
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   Am I living in a parallel universe, or what? A&E had "Cold Case Files #2" on last night. It was about crimes in basements, but different crimes in different basements. I'm on their mailing list and get a schedule every month, and this show isn't listed there, either.


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11. "RE: the window"
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   Sounds like it was on early - 7 pm est. I didn't know about it and didn't see it.


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12. "Lin's call to Dominick Dunne"
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   I never denied there was a phone call - - I knew there was. What I denied was the content as presented by Dominick Dunne. Some flamers need reading comprehension classes.

The call took place. Dunne misrepresents the conversation.


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13. "RE: Lin's call to Dominick Dunne"
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   >Dunne misrepresents the conversation.

With the rather inconsequential attitude this Dominick Dunne has had so far to those pesky little things like facts, I'm not too surprised about misrepresentation.


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14. "RE: Lin's call to Dominick Dunne"
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   Dunne didn't know the Ramsey case and should have kept his mouth shut rather than pass misinformation.


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15. "My old post on Lin's call to Dominick Du"
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   Posted by jameson on Jul-25-02 at 08:52 AM (EST)

KING: Do you think we'll ever solve the Jonbenet Ramsey murder?

DUNNE: Well, you know, the last time -- no, two times ago, when I was on
your show, there was a call in from somebody -- and we were talking about
the Skakel case -- and there was a call in from somebody who asked about
the Jonbenet Ramsey case and yes, I gave some answer. I didn't even think
about it. And you know, it was 20 seconds or something and we were on to
the next call. And the next day, I had a call from the Ramseys' lawyer,
Lynne Baker or something like that from Atlanta, both at my unlisted...

KING: Lynne Wood. Lynne Wood.

DUNNE: I beg your pardon, Lynne Wood, of course -- and at my unlisted
number here in Connecticut and my unlisted in New York. And they were
like threatening voices saying, "I hope we won't have to meet in court" or
something like that. And you know, whatever I said was so innocuous I
didn't even remember it. And I found that very, very odd that he was...

KING: Yes.

DUNNE: You know, you can't censor everything, and we're all allowed to
have an opinion.

Do I think it will be solved? No, I don't.
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I will go on record as saying I know for a fact that Dominick Dunne is lying about that incident. Good thing he is not under oath.

He may have gotten OTHER calls - - but what he is representing here is NOT accurate.


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16. "The cigar box"
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   I told Anderson there was a cigar box in the windowless room. I did not tell him it was under JonBenét's head, nor did I tell him what was in it. Cuban cigars.

Long ago someone "confessed' on a forum and I challenged that person to tell me what was under JonBenét's head. The person couldn't answer the question. I certainly did NOT tell Anderson, or anyone else, it was the cigar box.


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17. "Thomas book article - 4/10/2000"
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   Patsy Ramsey Fingered As JonBenet's Killer
Former Investigator Says Evidence Always Pointed Back To Her

Darlene Jeter, Staff Writer
April 10, 2000, 11:35 a.m. EDT

NEW YORK -- A former JonBenet Ramsey murder investigator says that he believes that Patsy Ramsey killed her little girl.

Steve Thomas appeared on "Good Morning America" in an exclusive interview to talk about his book, "JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Investigation." The book will be released Tuesday.

NewsNet5, our Cleveland affiliate, covered the story and said that five pages into the book, Thomas gives his theory on who killed JonBenet.

"There are only two possible answers. One is that an intruder crept into the house, killed JonBenet in a botched kidnapping attempt while the family slept, leaving behind what has been called the war on peace and ransom note and disappeared. The other scenario is that the little girl was killed by a family member whom I believed to be her panicked mother, Patsy Ramsey, and her father, John Ramsey, opted to protect his wife in the investigation that followed."


The Note Points To Patsy

Thomas said that the Boulder Police Department has been accused of not investigating other suspects. He said that investigators cleared 100 potential suspects, interviewed 590 witnesses and presented 1,058 pieces of evidence.

"I cannot tell you how much time and time on the road I spent chasing leads far and wide, interviewing suspects, witnesses and potential suspects," Thomas said.

He said that the evidence in the case always led back to the mother.

The ransom note, he believes, incriminates Patsy the most.

The note, which was addressed to John Ramsey, asked for $118,000. It was written on a notepad found in the house. The pen was found in the house. In addition, it was signed SBTC and had indentation that was customarily used by Patsy when she wrote letters.

NewsNet5 reports that 73 potential suspects' handwriting samples were ruled out during the investigation.

Again, only one person -- Patsy -- could not be ruled out as the author because the way the As in the letter match Patsy's As.

"In Patsy's pre-homicide writings she consistently used what we called the lower-case manuscript. In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lower--case manuscript A was used -- I think -- 98 percent of the time was used," he said.

After the Ramseys were given a copy of the note, Thomas said that Patsy changed her As to the lower-case cursive As.

"She would almost consistently sign off with the exclamation point and then a double indented closure to the point that you could almost overlay the ransom note and some of Patsy's previous writings," he said. "The indentation I found remarkable."

Thomas said that Patsy was known for signing letters with acronyms.

For example, she signed her Christmas cards PPRBSJ, which means Patsy P. Ramsey, Bachelor of Science In Journalism.


No Fingerprints

He also found it unusual that the Ramseys found the ransom letter, but their fingerprints weren't found on the letter.

He said that he tried to pin Patsy down on that at the onset of the investigation, NewsNet5 reports.

He asked, "Did you grab the note? Did you pick up the note? Clench it in your hand and read it and run upstairs with it? Who moved it to the hardwood floor?"

Thomas said that he found it odd that investigators who handled the letter left fingerprints.

Did Patsy Go To Bed That Night?
Thomas said that he doesn't believe that Patsy went to bed the night that JonBenet was killed.

She claimed that she woke up at 5:30 and didn't take a shower. She said she dressed in the same clothing from the day before and went to make coffee. That's when she found the note.

So far, the Ramseys have stuck by the intruder theory to explain their daughter's homicide.

Thomas also said that he planted a microphone at Jonbenet's grave, hoping to catch someone confessing to the child's murder as he or she mourned at the grave site.

The camera did not help the case.

http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-20000410-151114.html


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18. "RE: Thomas book article - 4/10/2000"
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   Supposedly this forum thinks JonBenét was killed to get back at John.

I am not speaking for any other poster, but I never thought JonBenét was killed to get back at John for any real injury to the killer. I think she may heva been targetted because the killer wanted to destroy what appeared to be the "All American Family" - - something he didn't have, but if you ask me why JonBenét was killed, I will tell you she was the victim of a predator, a sadistic pedophile with an interested in S&M. The motive lies in that sick SOB's fantasies and his willingness to act on them.


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19. "RE: Misinformation found on the net"
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This photo is located at http://www.crimelibrary.com/ramsey/Ramsey2.htm
and is supposed to represent the basement windoe that had the suitcase under it. That is NOT the window.

The window depicted would not open out into the rear courtyard but under the spiral staircase. The fact is, that window was bricked up when the house was added on to years before the murder.

Someone might want to point this out on Mapek's forum.


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20. "RE: Misinformation found on the net"
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If this window opened into 'dead space' - and was found open the morning of December 26, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that an intruder opened it from inside the house, looking for a means of exit?

The suitcase was found under the grated window with the broken windowpane. A small piece of glass was found on top of the suitcase, placed there by Fleet White, I believe. There is much more, including crime scene pictures of the suitcase, glass and grated window, in the Rocky Mountain News article, 'Clues in the Case.'

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_408302,00.html


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21. "RE: Misinformation found on the net"
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   the windows that weres blocked up - - there is no evidence anyone was near them that night

MORE misinformation - - and totally new to me - - that's unusual!

Someone is posting that "Every single piece of evidence was from that home." I was very puzzled at that point - - then they explained - - and I am wondering what case they are following.

They believe matching duct tape was found on the back of a doll in the ramsey house - - NO SO! There was NO matching tape found anywhere in the house.

They also said the fibers found on JBR's genitalia matched fibers from that doll's navy wool outfit.

No idea where that is coming from - - but it isn't true - not at all.

Geesh!


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22. "RE: Misinformation found on the net"
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   >No idea where that is coming from - - but it isn't true - not at all.

That hardly seems to make a difference to some out there.
Truth? It really is the first casualty.



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23. "RE: Misinformation found on the net"
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   Oliva was cleared (according to Ned) - - NOPE, not according to Police Chief Beckner.

Imon felt Patsy was harsh during her interrogation. She pointed out that Patsy was not talking nice (flying flip, damn drawing board - - - wow - - what nastiness!) Patsy was waving her arms and not sitting on her hands or biting her nails - - how harsh was that! Patsy was not submissive, not compliant, didn't crumble and confess. Imon thinks that was harsh. Good Grief. Seems to me, Patsy wasn't as harsh as Imon - especially when you realize Patsy had been pushed, poked and prodded for THREE DAYS! I dare say 90% of the posters would have said "#####".


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