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Myself
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Jul-31-02, 09:03 PM (EST)
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"John did something wrong?"
 
   I was cruising thru another forum *shoch horror* and I saw a thread with some theories. The author of that thread said they could be taken for discussion and so I thought I might use one which was interesting.

"Here is a theory that my husband thinks could be true. He thinks that it is possible that John and Patsy very well know who Jon Benet's murder is. John might have done something illegal and exposing this perp might bring out John's exposure to his wrongdoings. This could be why they haven't cooperated fully with BPD."

What do you think guys? If you need me to change the way I have worded this post jams, I can.


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tipper
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Jul-31-02, 09:24 PM (EST)
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1. "I think the whole"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-02 AT 09:32 PM (EST)

"not cooperating" thing was just a cascade of errors that kept growing.

The Ramsey's world was turned upside down and they are totally freaked.

Their friends suggest they should have lawyers help them(not unusual advice given the circumstances) so they do.

The BPD starts acting like thugs (no footprints in the snow, threatening to hold the body etc) which sets the lawyer's alarm bells ringing loudly.

They start protecting the Ramseys.

The police interpret that as a sign of guilt and push harder.

The lawyers get more protective.

and so on and so on,

I think if John had had any nefarious doings we'd have heard by now.

Added: Don't know if you have to change your post or not. It would seem like the author gave permission but at this point I don't cut and paste anything except once in a great while when candy has asked specifically for me to bring something over.



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jamesonadmin
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2. "Not sure"
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   It is best to paraphrase anything taken from weBsleuths unless you know the poster doesn't mind being quoted. So if the quote is from there, yeah, paraphrase the quote.


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jamesonadmin
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3. "LIKE"
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   "Someone posted a theory that John might have doing something illegal himself and thinks exposing the killer might expose his own illegal activity."

Now - - what do I think of that? John and Patsy confessed their great crimes to the cops. Patsy's was that she liked to shop. John's... well, he did confess to the cops that he once did something wrong - - I think it was like on the level of smoking in a smoke-free zone.

There was nothing there. If there had been, you can bet that Steve Thomas would have said it.


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jamesonadmin
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4. "Dolphin Blue"
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   Dolphin Blue posted that quote with this at the bottom of the post -

"ANYBODY CAN COPY ANYTHING THAT I POST. KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS MIGHT BE USED AS EVIDENCE IN A COURT OF LAW. IF YOU BENEFIT FROM A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL WITH MY POST I WILL BE THERE TO COLLECT WHAT IS DUE TO ME. ANY COPY OF MY POST MAY NOT BE LEFT TO LIE AROUND TO FRAME ANYBODY OR ANYTHING."

So it is OK to copy anything posted by Dolphin Blue.

But as a general rule, we don't need to copy anything from there.


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DonBradley
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5. "Things done wrong?"
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   What was it that John Ramsey was supposed to have done wrong?

Did he give a valuable jeep to a known felon for unspecified "odd jobs" around the house?

Did he engage in group sex with the virtual strangers brought back from Dad's or stand around in the garage doing drugs with the people brought back from Dad's?

Did he sleep across the street in a home with the obvious nut-case from the St. Louis Glass Factory?


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jamesonadmin
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6. "John did nothing"
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   Except... maybe

he didn't have a criminal check done on everyone who worked in his house. Neither did Edward Smart - - neither have most of us.

He didn't know about the hobbies and psychological make-up of photographers and other people who were around. (No scarlet letters allowed in the USA)

He didn't know the backgrounds of all the employees at the places the family went to - - the restaurants, malls, etc. (He could have kept his family home.)

He lived in a house that had "cover" in the back yard - - just asking for someone to hide and stalk his family.

He didn't own a protective BIG DOG.

He didn't have the kids sleeping in the master bedroom.

John did nothing to make SURE no one hurt his family.

Course if he DID all those things, everyone would say he was NUTZ - - but he didn't do it so it's his fault JonBenét died.

The BORG needs to blame him.



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Lilac
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Aug-02-02, 02:35 AM (EST)
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7. "Of all of the theories"
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   that are not supportive of the Ramsey's innocence, this one is actually the only one that I would buy.

I think they are 100% innocent, but must admit, that when it first happened it seemed "weird". There was that feeling hanging in the air like they knew something but couldn't or wouldn't tell. But after learning so much about the case, I just think they are as clueless as all of us.


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DonBradley
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8. "That is odd!"
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   >There was that feeling hanging in the air
>like they knew something but couldn't or wouldn't tell.

That is odd. I got no such feeling at all.
I've always felt the only thing the parents could ever be charged with is Sound Sleeping in the First Degree. Although I now think they might also be charged with Unreasonable Trust of Police and with Resistence to Tabloid Nonsense.

I never once felt that they knew something but were withholding it. Nor could I see any reason why they should do that or even contemplate for a moment their doing that.



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Dave
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9. "Agree With Don"
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   I agree with Don here.

John Ramsey was trained as an electrical engineer (undergrad). Patsy is also sort of "matter-of-fact" by nature. Some people just don't seem to care for those of us who try to be as factual as we can. Even many police investigators would rather hear stories than "I have no idea." Many people interpret the latter as evasive, then interpret evasiveness as a sign of guilt rather than simply trying to stick to the facts.

Police investigator: "How do you explain this?" Suspect: "I have no idea."

They want to hear a story so they can decide whether or not the suspect is guilty NOT "I have no idea."


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DonBradley
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10. "In addition . . ."
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   >Even many police investigators would rather hear stories than
>"I have no idea." Many people interpret the latter as
>evasive, then interpret evasiveness as a sign of guilt
>rather than simply trying to stick to the facts.

Add to that the initial feelings (if any) of hostility or envy due to wealth and frustration at 'kidnapped turned into a homicide' and you may have a real good reason for the case being derailed early on.

The utterly frank and forthright 'I have no idea' is not viewed as anything but 'non-cooperative' at best.



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Myself
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Aug-02-02, 09:33 PM (EST)
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11. "What I meant"
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   Sorry it has taken me so long to come back, I wrote that post at work and did not have a chance to log in yesterday.

What I meant was that maybe they have their suspicions as to the person who killed their daughter, but exposing that person would mean that a prior wrong doing of theirs would be exposed and so that's why they can't say anything.

I know it's a long shot, I was just theorising. Maybe they have an idea or suspicion but they just can't prove it or find the link between the suspect and their family?

Or maybe they just have no idea who killed their daughter...

Thanks for verifying whether I could copy that post jams. Usually I wouldn't drag any thoughts across but this one looked of interest to me. Also usually I would rewords things but it came at the end of a long day of work and I just didn't have the energy at the time. If Dolphin Blue had objected I would have revisited the post or you would have deleted it I expect. Sorry. M


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12. "THEY did nothing wrong..."
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   I believe they are innocent. Who ever posted that theory from webslueths, is way behind on his knowledge of this case. A BORG follower. I actually visted that site and read what Dolphin Blue had to post and she is intitled to what she had to say, but I wanted to puke~ at everyone's posts. Such negitivity.

As for what Don posted earlier...LOL YEA compared to the Van Damn's, Smarts', and Cassandra's parents~ The Ramsey's look squeaky clean right about now.



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DonBradley
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13. "Squeaky Clean."
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   >As for what Don posted earlier...LOL YEA compared to the
>Van Damn's, Smarts', and Cassandra's parents~
>The Ramsey's look squeaky clean right about now.

They looked pretty clean even at the start of their ordeal, but they suffered horribly at the hands of the media; yet all those other sets of parents have not suffered at all despite being at the very least tainted with a great deal of negative values and actions.



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jamesonadmin
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14. "but the media stories"
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   all ended up lies.

The Ramseys were not divorcing or pimping their daughter or upset over the bedwetting or covering for Burke or reading Douglas books and planning a murder or accusing people of murder or even suspecting illogical suspects.

There was NO snow on the south side of the house that morning. John did NOT pilot the plane to Atlanta. The family did NOT flee to Spain.

I know the Ramseys have been paintd with this horrible brush - - but it was lies.


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DonBradley
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15. "Yes, lies"
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   >The Ramseys were not divorcing or pimping their daughter
>or upset over the bedwetting or covering for Burke or
>reading Douglas books and planning a murder or accusing people
>of murder or even suspecting illogical suspects.

Most of these lies were either media generated or were clearly erroneous right from the start, yet in these other cases there were obviously corroborating facts that substantiated much of the wife-swapping etc. yet the other parents have not suffered the wrath of the media.



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Lilac
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Aug-10-02, 02:51 PM (EST)
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16. "Dave and Don"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-02 AT 07:42 PM (EST)

I thought there was something "hanging in the air" as far as my experiences with the case. When I read that Patsy had said something like "I didn't think this would happen." -- I don't have my copy of the book I read it in anymore -- I believe it was PMPT.

Sounds like something someone would say when they knew something, but didn't think it would go this far. So, again, at THE TIME, there WAS something in the air. Of course, later someone (Jameson?) explained what Patsy had meant by that statement. I'm not sure if Patsy told her or what. But it made sense.


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