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LovelyPigeon
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Feb-01-02, 08:09 AM (EST)
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"Pineapple"
 
   Yesterday I had opportunity to ask another gastroentologist about the pineapple in the "proximal small intestine" of JonBenét.

I said "JonBenét's stomach was empty of food material, but her small intestine contained food material. The autopsy report says that pineapple was in the 'proximal portion of the small intestine'. What would you make of that, in a forensic sense?"

He said "The proximal small intestine described would be the duodenum. I'd say she ate the pineapple within 2 1/2 to 4 hours of her death."

I've gotten some other medical opinions in the past couple of years. The longest amount of time from eating pineapple to death, based on the location of the pineapple in the "proximal portion" was 5 hours, and that was from a forensic pathologist.

How does this gastroentologist's opinion affect your theory of the crime?


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AMM
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Feb-01-02, 08:50 AM (EST)
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1. "I'm not quite sure yet LP"
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   how this affects my theory, but as always your expert sleuthing has my wheels spinning. What is tearing away at me is if the time can be anywhere from 2 1/2 to 5 hours then exactly how long were they with JB? How long did the torment and abuse last? I can't even begin to think about what went on in that bedroom and basement that night or why.


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Maikai
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Feb-01-02, 08:58 AM (EST)
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2. "It wasn't in the stomach....."
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   the pineapple fragments in the "proximal" portion of the small intestine are not relevant. A pathologist told me they are taught that "proximal" is the beginning part of the small intestine, and not the duodenuem----that he would call the duodeneum out separately.

We don't know for a fact that the White's didn't serve pineapple....very possible it's something she ate there.


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LovelyPigeon
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Feb-01-02, 09:02 AM (EST)
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3. "AMM"
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   Have to consider, too, that this gastroentologist has never testified in court about the contents of the small intestine in relation to time of death. It's just medical information to consider.

From this doctor's opinion, I could propose if JonBenét died at 10 pm, she could have eaten pineapple as early as 6 pm or as late as 8 pm.

Problem with that time table for me, is that she wasn't at home during 6 and 8; she was at the Whites' house & they said they didn't serve any pineapple.


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LovelyPigeon
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Feb-01-02, 09:07 AM (EST)
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4. "Maikai"
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   I made it clear to the doctor that the stomach was empty. I used the quote *proximal portion of small intestine*. The doctor used the word *duodenum* without any provocation from me.

It seems obvious to me, just on my small survey of medical doctors and one forensic pathologist, that there is some variation on their opinions, and the BPD must have gotten at least as much variation as I've gotten--and as you & others have gotten by asking professionals their opinions.


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sooty
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Feb-01-02, 09:28 AM (EST)
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5. "LP"
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   The very fact that the times are so varied makes this pinapple thing a non issue. There is no proof that she ate it sooner than later or vice versa. Steve Thomas cites between 2 and 5 hours {dont quote me on that but I wont be far out} It seems to me that if they cant be more specific than a 3 hour window, then a couple of hours out wouldnt be a big shocker.

Its fairly clear that JB ate from the bowl that was left on the table.

The Whites say nada to the pineapple, although it beats me how anyone can recall what they did or did not have in their fridge a few days before, especially as it was xmas time..a time notorious for trying to cram in twice as much f


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