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"Fleet White's GUESTS"
 
   This is a continuation of Slapfish's thread concerning the guests that were staying with Fleet White, some of whom apparently attended the Christmas Party given by the Ramseys.

Recent posts from earlier thread.

Ashley
May-26-03, 06:10 PM (EST)
48. "RE: post #37"
In response to message #47

No, I have no unnamed sources. Everything I post you've had access to as well.
I can't be the only one that heard Priscilla didn't like the Barbie nightgown! But maybe it wasn't true. If jams didn't hear it, then i'm guessing it must not be.
And you're right, I shouldn't have put it out there, like it's a fact. Now, I'm not sure it is!
See, I'll admit when I may be wrong.

Ashley
May-26-03, 06:14 PM (EST)
49. "RE: post #37"
In response to message #48
What I heard about the nightgown jams, was NOT that she didn't approve of it, she didn't like it. Don't know why!
I believe Nedra was the source for this. But this was aloooong time ago. My memeory is fading. Either Pam or Nedra. Ask Patsy about it.

Smokey
May-26-03, 06:15 PM (EST)
50. "Linda Arndt on Priscilla"
In response to message #48
During Linda's civil lawsuit against the BPD, she gave a deposition in which she said she had seen Priscilla several times while walking or jogging after the murder.
Was she uncomfortable with that contact? I got that impression.
Can anyone repost that part of her deposition, if they have it.


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1. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
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   Additional recent post
Jupiter
May-26-03, 06:18 PM (EST)
52. "RE: Linda Arndt on Priscilla"
when you find that transcript, you'll see it was Barbara Fernie to whom LA referred



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Smokey
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May-26-03, 06:43 PM (EST)
 
2. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
In response to message #1
 
   Thanks, I looked it up and Pris was mentioned as the person who learned of Arndt's suicide attempt through Leslie Durgan and then asked Linda Arndt about it. But, that's neither here nor there.


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Jupiter
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May-26-03, 06:58 PM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
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   you're right. It's neither here nor there.


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4. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
In response to message #3
 
   I don't have Arndt's entire deposition - - would like a copy if anyone cares to share.


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Smokey
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May-26-03, 07:43 PM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
In response to message #4
 
   The part I have came from your forum! Do you still have the thread?


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6. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
In response to message #5
 
   I have the partial deposition I started with - - but would like the whole thing.

Do a search for Linda Arndt on the forums, check the archives too - - you should find plenty. But there is more I never saw.

I hoped Jann might have it but now I think not.


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Smokey
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May-26-03, 07:53 PM (EST)
 
7. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
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   Who interviewed Fleet's guests? Do we know who did?


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8. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
In response to message #7
 
   The police were told that the guests, the men, had been at the party on the 23rd - - and they ignored that, it was as if they didn't believe it according to some eyewitnesses - until they were shown photographic evidence of the men being at the house.

I am sure they were interviewed, but how aggressive were the questions?

I hope the new investigators follow up on that more - - do a quick check for handwriting and DNA - - why not?


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Smokey
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May-26-03, 08:28 PM (EST)
 
10. "RE: Fleet White's GUESTS"
In response to message #8
 
   Do we know what the CA guests said or did at the party on the 23rd? Did either of the men drink to much, or did they keep to themselves? Were they sociable, or did they hang out with Fleet?
What did the Ramseys think of them after the murder?
Also, why did they leave to go to the 'airport' with Fleet?
Was there a reason. I would think if Fleet was leaving for some reason and the guests did not feel comfortable staying behind, he would have dropped them off at his house.
Yet, he took the men with him and later returned to the party. Did this strike the Ramseys as odd in any way?


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DonBradley
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May-26-03, 08:22 PM (EST)
 
9. "Interviewing the guests"
In response to message #0
 
   >The police were told that the guests, the men, had been at
>the party on the 23rd - - and they ignored that,
>I am sure they were interviewed, but how aggressive were the questions?
Given the absurd conclusions that the BPD jumped to and clung so tenaciously to all during their media-campaign against the parents, I would imagine that any interviews of the guests were limited to questions about seeing any inappropriate behavior by the Ramseys.

>I hope the new investigators follow up on that more - -
>do a quick check for handwriting and DNA - - why not?
Can't hurt, can't take too long or require much effort.

Though these guests were clearly adult males and don't you think an adult male could carry a 45 pound girl down a flight of stairs without dragging her head along the garland-strewn railing?



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Smokey
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May-26-03, 08:52 PM (EST)
 
11. "RE: Interviewing the guests"
In response to message #9
 
   That brings up an interesting point, Don. If someone didn't want to chance picking up JonBenet's hair on their clothing or outerwear, they might carry her downstairs 'sideways' instead of upright.

From that one could infer they were planning on committing a crime, if not killing her. At the very least, it could mean whoever took her downstairs intended to leave her in the house.


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12. "RE: Interviewing the guests"
In response to message #11
 
   There is always the possibility that the green garland got tangled in JonBenet's hair while John carried her up to bed from the car or that it got there from the cellar room floor (where the Christmas decorations were kept in the offseason).


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Myself
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May-26-03, 09:15 PM (EST)
 
13. "Don"
In response to message #12
 
   Are you saying you don't think it was an adult male?


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DonBradley
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May-26-03, 09:26 PM (EST)
 
15. "Adult male"
In response to message #13
 
   I don't know.

IF this is viewed as a sex crime, the 'prime' age range is mid-teen to early twenties, but you know that I don't really view it as a sex-crime or an intended kidnapping that somehow unravelled into murder.

I do however wonder how an adult male who probably wrapped up a sleeping six year old girl in the bedding could not carry his less than fifty pound burden down a flight of stairs without bonking her head into something. Ofcourse he would not be concerned with leaving debris in her hair, but he would be concerned with the noise of the contact and any resultant awakening or attempt to cry out.

I surely see indications of an older individual from the note's text and I don't know if this garland in the hair should be given much weight or not. But if a fifty pound burden is unmanageable for him, then it seems strange.


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Smokey
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May-26-03, 09:18 PM (EST)
 
14. "RE: Interviewing the guests"
In response to message #12
 
   It could have gotten there that way, yes. But wasn't the bannister garland found at the autopsy not found in the basement room?
I will have to look it up.
As far as John carrying her, her hair on his clothing would not be incriminating, if he carried her upstairs upright.

Can it be said that only an intruder who planned to leave her behind would carry her downstairs sideways, if there is no match for the bannister garland in the basement room?


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Smokey
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May-26-03, 09:47 PM (EST)
 
16. "RE: the garland"
In response to message #14
 
   From "Who Killed The Pageant Queen?"

LOU SMIT - We're fairly certain that JonBenét was taken from her room down this spiral staircase. There was garland on the railing of the spiral staircase and there was also garland found in the hair and on the clothing of JonBenét.
- - - - -
He does not say there was no matching garland in the basement, but why would he be "fairly certain she was taken down the spiral stairs" if there was similar garland in the basement room?



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17. "RE: the garland"
In response to message #16
 
   I am unaware of any garland being found in the room where JonBenét's body was found. Pine needles fom the fake trees were in there - - I believe the garland and other Christmas decorations were stored in another basement room - - the one in the northwest corner.


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Smokey
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May-26-03, 10:35 PM (EST)
 
18. "RE: the blanket"
In response to message #17
 
   Was any garland found on the blanket or on the longjohns?
It stands to reason if she was wrapped in the blanket there would be no garland on her clothes. Also she was put to bed in the longjohns so if there was garland on them it didn't get there when she went upstairs, only on the way downstairs.

Sorry this is getting off topic for the Guests.


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Ashley
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May-27-03, 00:59 AM (EST)
 
19. "RE: the blanket"
In response to message #18
 
   I saw the Christmas photo that the California men were in.

They looked odd and out of place and one of them that i remember, I believe he wore glasses, was scary looking.

He just didn't look like he belonged in the picture.

No offense to the little whites...but they looked like "Children of the Corn", compared to JB and Burke. The image was just creepy.


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Jayelles
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May-27-03, 03:58 AM (EST)
 
20. "Ashley"
In response to message #19
 
   >>No offense to the little whites...but they looked like "Children of the Corn", compared to JB and Burke. The image was just creepy.


"No offence" Ashley, but it takes an incredibly nasty person to say a thing like that.


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DonBradley
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May-27-03, 08:10 AM (EST)
 
21. "Photo of guests ?"
In response to message #0
 
   Can someone post this photo of the guests and the children?

Impressions may not be entirely reliable, but that does not mean that they should be ignored. I will admit, however, that although I don't know what "children of the corn" refers to, I doubt those children wrote the note or left the male dna.


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Jayelles
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May-27-03, 08:23 AM (EST)
 
22. "RE: Photo of guests ?"
In response to message #21
 
   I have the photos but I don't believe I can post them here. They are just a picture of some smiling kids with Santa and a picture of some rather ordinary looking people with santa. I would be happy to attach them and send them to you in e-mail but I expect they are on-line somewhere.

Children of the corn is a book by Stephen King. It's about creepy children - kind of Midwich Cuckoos type thing. IMO, a very spiteful and unecessary comment about a couple of innocent children.


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DonBradley
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May-27-03, 09:12 AM (EST)
 
23. "corny"
In response to message #22
 
   >Children of the corn is a book by Stephen King.
Stephen King? 'nuff said! Forget it.


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24. "Where are they?"
In response to message #23
 
   LAST EDITED ON May-27-03 AT 01:56 PM (EST)
 
There were 23 adults at the party on the 23rd. This is the photo that I have of the adults at the party.

None of those shown are the guests from CA. The men in the photo are - in no specific order to protect their privacy... Joe Barnhill, Priscilla's father, Larry Barber, John Fernie, Don Paugh and Fleet White.

Do you have another photo that does show the CA company? I have not seen one on the Internet.


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Jayelles
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May-27-03, 01:48 PM (EST)
 
25. "jameson"
In response to message #24
 
   I think I probably have the same photo that you have. There are 6/7 men in the picture I have (including santa). Fourteen people altogether.

I didn't know who the men were in that photo, but Ashley made her post with her normal flourish of conviction and she does present herself as something of an authority on the Whites and their guests. There are four bespectacled gentlemen in the photo. Not sure which one is supposed to be the creepy looking one. They all look pretty ordinary to me.


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26. "Ashley"
In response to message #25
 
   please explain what photo you are talking about - - is it one that has not been released or are you simply mistaken about what you thought you saw?

I really don't want misinformation on the forum - - so please respond here or in email.


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AShley
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May-27-03, 11:23 PM (EST)
 
27. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #26
 
   Ok, the white children are in another Christmas photo. But the guy in the glasses is there on the right hand side. Is he not one of the Calif. friends. I heard he was...but wouldn't want to spread misinfo.

So please correct me if I'm wrong.


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AShley
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May-27-03, 11:28 PM (EST)
 
28. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #27
 
   Excuse me Jayelles, but I'm far from a nasty person. I thint the White children are cute, but in this photo they looked pale and sad the whole thing to me is errie looking. Maybe because I suspect their father,all of these picture take on a whole different light.

The Children of the Corn are not ugly children, that's not what I meant. I meant Eeerie.


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29. "Ashley"
In response to message #28
 
   The men from CA are not in that photo.


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Jayelles
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May-28-03, 05:52 AM (EST)
 
30. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #29
 
   Whenever someone starts a statement with "No offence, but....", they usually continue with an insult - otherwise they wouldn't be trying to excuse it.


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31. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #30
 
   Ashley is a poster like every other person here - - I see no evidence that she has an inside lane or is an expert on the Whites and their company. I wish she would do more research before posting things like this. I also wish more posters would correct such errors - - not just a couple of us have access to this stuff.


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Jayelles
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May-28-03, 12:08 PM (EST)
 
32. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #31
 
   People make mistakes. That is what I was told...it's not a big deal.

Who are these people jams in the picture, if you can tell me? I'm rather relieved to hear this...it's not what I thought the Calif. men to look like.

But it's true I don't have access to any of these things. Just what I see here.


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33. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #32
 
   I listed the names of the men in the photo - - I did not specify who is who just because there really was no need to - - they don't care to be public figures.

The guest list is on-line as well - - we all know who was there.

As far as I know, there are no photos out there of the men from CA.


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Ashley
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May-28-03, 12:26 PM (EST)
 
34. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #33
 
   Ok, thanks! Sorry again.

It really is a bad photo and hard to see what anyone really looks like.


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Jayelles
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May-28-03, 02:58 PM (EST)
 
35. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #34
 
   Post #32 is not mine.


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36. "RE: Ashley"
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   #32 was posted by Ashley - it is so nice when people are logged in so the name is right.


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Ashley
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May-28-03, 10:25 PM (EST)
 
37. "RE: Ashley"
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   How do we log in?


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38. "RE: Ashley"
In response to message #37
 
   Members can log in - - they register by emailing me real name, address and phone - I set up the screen name and call with the password which the member can then change (so only they have it)

Members can log in, edit posts .... and they take legal responsibility for posts done using their screen name (so they are far less likely to find a post deleted)

We believe it makes people post more responsibly - - and being logged in DOES make a poster a bit more credible because others KNOW the person is taking responsibility for their posts - not playing games often found when posters are anonymous and looking for trouble.


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