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"NO FOOTPRINTS, LITTLE SNOW "
 
   NO FOOTPRINTS, LITTLE SNOW


Smit's argument: Early in the case, leaks from law enforcement said there were no footprints in the
snow around the Ramsey house, seemingly discounting the possibility of an intruder. In fact, police
photographs taken before 9 a.m. the morning of JonBenet's death show much of the perimeter of the
house, including walkways, free of snow. "You can't have footprints in something that's not there."

Response: The News was unable to find a police comment, but no footprints were found outside the
house.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/cr/cda/article_print/1,1250,DRMN_15_408302,00.html


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1. "important discussion"
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   This thread is important as it shows how misinformation was used against the parents - - and the BPD never saw fit to correct it. The papers, when they found out they had reported things wrong - they made no corrections.

Anyone reading the old newspaper reports to learn about the case would have a very inaccurate story of what happened.

The papers have so much information but not the room to post it - - like transcripts of trials, depositions.

That's why the forums are good - - we get to put up things and they stay.


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2. "No footprints - NO SNOW!"
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   http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/art/extra/ramsey/thm/img003.jpg";>

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The front yard had some snow - but not the side where we KNOW there was evidence of an intruder.

The blue article on the ground near the door is a paper from inside the house - - how did it get outside?

The broken basement window is right there - - the grate had foliage caught under it, there was disturbance on the ledge and debris had been dragged into the house.

But misinformation was putout there early and never corrected.


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3. "Questions"
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   John Fernie, who arrived early on the 26th., said that he walked around the butler door side of house to the front door. No mention was made of his footprints.

1. Does this mean that the police never looked after their initial walk in the dark, the sun didn't come up until 7:30 am, assisted with flashlights? Or that whatever prints there were..were trampled over by them as they walked aroung the house?

2. Does it mean that the ground was so hard no impressions were made in the dirt? Which in turn must mean the intruder was so lucky to know he would not leave prints or he made some other provision for not leaving prints, like going thru the garage door or the grate/window well?

3. If Fernie went around that side, why does he not mention the butler door being open? Does this mean that door was shut at that time, approx. 6:15 am? Did he see the metal bat left at the corner of the house?


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4. "Jameson"
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   Please take a look at the photos in Wecht's book. You'll see a pic of the window grate and the surrounding area. Quite a bit of snow there. No prints. What do you make of that photo?


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5. "that photo"
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   That is not a crime scene photo and was taken some time AFTER the murder - - probably not even the same YEAR!

Look at the photo credit! That isn't a Boulder person. Look at the back of the book - his bio brief.

I put up the crime scene photos - - they show no snow.


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6. "Wecht and others"
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   have misled people. It really was a terrible thing to do.


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7. "yep"
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   lots of people will have to answer for what they did later on.


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Orphan
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Nov-22-02, 09:56 PM (EST)
 
8. "RE: Footprints...."
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   Jameson,
Was Lou Smit present at the crime scene on Dec. 26, 1996?
If he was not, then he has had to rely on photographic evidence to reach his conclusion about footprints in the frost/snow. According to what you've posted elsewhere on the forum, the photographs of the surrounding area, were not taken until 7:30am or after on Dec. 26, 1996. In the photos I have seen, it is daylight and the sunlight would have a major impact on the frost/snow and footprints.
How could Smit possibly draw a reasonable conclusion, considering these facts?

Not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand.

Cheers,
Orphan


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9. "RE: Footprints...."
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   Lou Smit is famous for working cold cases. He wasn't there on the 26th and didn't have to be in order to find clues and outline leads the cops should follow. It is what he is good at - - what his reputation was based on.


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BraveHeart
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Nov-23-02, 00:06 AM (EST)
 
10. "RE: Footprints...."
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   Smit has the United States Weatherstation data to use ***as well as***the crime scene photos. The number on the far left is the day of the month of Dec. 26th. Snowfall is in inches and in the 5th. column. Total accumulation on the ground is the 6th. column. My comments on the meaning of this are at the end of the data below:


***16 40 14 0.23 3.8 4***
***17 18 -4 0.11 2.1 6***
18 18 -6 0 0 4
19 31 -4 0 0 4
20 49 22 0 0 3

21 47 36 0 0 2
22 52 20 0 0 1
***23 38 17 0.01 0.2 1***
24 44 24 0 0 T
25 54 24 0 0 T

***26 51 6 0 T 0***
27 59 26 0 0 0
28 54 37 0 0 0
29 64 34 0 0 0
30 60 42 0 0 0

31 65 32 0 0 0

The snow that covered the yard, as seen in the photos taken early on the morning of the 26th., fell on the 16th. & 17th.-a total of 5.9 inches.Then followed 6 days of above freezing daytime temperatures where the snow melted (down to an average depth of 1" on the 23rd. after a very light 0.2 inches fell. By the 25th. ONLY A TRACE of snow, on the average for the weather station for Boulder, WAS LEFT ON THE GROUND. Then on the 26th. a TRACE of snow fell with no significant accumulations, the "DUSTING". The remainder of the snow on the ground, just a "trace" melted on the 26th. Not much rain fell during the month, none in the two days prior to the 26th. It was a very light amount and I feel sure the ground was dry on the night of the 25th. & 26th.and probably hard.(edited to add these next sentences) The temperature at daybreak was close to 6 degrees, the daily low T, and the high of 51 degrees would have been reached in mid afternoon. That means that the snow probably did not start melting until late morning, or until after the photos had been taken.

There are trees on both sides of the house which would have blocked snowfall (dusting) to the ground beneath them, unless there were driving snows which was not the case. Based on this information I would say that the crime scene photos accurately depict what snow was on the ground at daybreak, Dec. 26th., 1996. I think it would be accepted as evidence in any court.

http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/Boulder/boulder.data.1990-99.html#Dec96

NOAA-CIRES Climate Diagnostics Center
Document maintained by Cathy Smith (cas@cdc.noaa.gov)
Updated: Jun 28, 2001 11:39:47 MDT
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/Boulder/getdata.html

Every day from 1948 to the present for Boulder:
ftp://ftp.cdc.noaa.gov/Public/cas/boulder.daily.data


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