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Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 10:28 AM
If the information is correct and the Ramsey dictionary was turned to "incessant" or "incest", then we may be seeing the sex vs terrorism therories aligning or "incessant" gaining prominance as a theory.

A news breaking example if determined to be terrorist origin may be the on going as "incessant" means. Except, we're talking about 1996 as to "incessant" and today we have had an increase of attacks.

Israel, has experienced "incessant" attacks from the Muslims for decades now. When will it end, not til we knock the HE (muslim male) to the ground.

Today, we see Maine arsenic CHURCH poisonings and that a Evangelist named Shelly Timber had been preaching once a month there.

Mrs. Ramsey as an Christian Evangelist supporter is the connection to Ramsey case.

Posted by jameson on May-02-03 at 10:34 AM
In response to message #0
There was no dictionary open to "incest' or "incessant". Not a mention of that in any police interview or any record I have seen - - just another BORG myth.

and please keep the Terrorist talk off this forum - - the threads die when you change the subject to terrorism - -

#2, Frankly, I don't give a ........ .
Posted by DonBradley on May-02-03 at 10:37 AM
In response to message #0
The dictionary was open to neither the word incessant nor the word incest.

I see very little connection between a 1996 murder in Boulder, Colorado and an arsenic poisoning at a church in Maine that took place in 2003.

I see absolutely no relevance to Israel, Muslims, terrorists or any other of these absurdly off the wall points you are trying to link to a simple murder in Boulder in 1996.

#4, this thread
Posted by jameson on May-02-03 at 10:44 AM
In response to message #2
I guess there is no harm in giving Frank this thread to make his case linking the Ramsey case and Muslim terrorists - - but PLEASE, Frank, limit it to this thread.

And before anyone complains about limiting it to one thread, I am not changing rules - I have not let any poster fill the forums with constant talk of their favorite suspects without showing proof.

Pachaly was described and even accused by a poster - - but he didn't take every thread and try to turn it to his favorite subject.

Same thing with Oliva, Wolf, Simons.... they had a thread - - not the forum.

This is NOT a terrorist forum - - but Frank can have this thread.

And if you don't like what he is saying, don't feel a need to post it - - just let Frank post his theory and back it up as he sees fit. Respect his thread that far. Don't jump in to disrupt it - - if you don't like what he has to say, don't open the thread. Someone else might be fascinated.

#6, Frank
Posted by sharkie on May-02-03 at 10:52 AM
In response to message #2
I appreciate your idea's of thinking out of the box, the possibilities of terrorism and such being the motive in this murder. But for me I agree with Don, it was simply a murder. I think the individual that manafactured a scenario in his head used "movies" as his design for the murder. He was the "director" in this murder, that is who he would be, his politics was make believe, a plot but not necessarily his "plot", he was the director after all.

#3, Lunate & Capitate
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 10:44 AM
In response to message #0
The above consideration I find of interest as strong--coincidence--of alignment to the Ramsey evidence.

The incessant vs incest dictionary creased page too, well when one begins to couple other coincidences, things begin to seem possible.

The drawn Heart vs Crescent on JBR's palm and when or who drew it holds its' own mystery of coincidence, if a Crescent. The hand anatomy leads us to a CRESCENT shaped bone in the hand called the--capitate. Further, the word lunate (lunar) meaning moon shaped is enough for me to consider futher Muslim terrorism in the Ramsey case.

#5, Steve Thomas
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 10:46 AM
In response to message #3
I was under the impression that Det. Steve Thomas brought "incest" into the field of discussion? Am I wrong?

#8, Muslim motive=Ramsey for Ramzi
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:01 AM
In response to message #5
Thank you Jameson! I can understand posters conflict with this subject matter. We all have experienced events that we want not to be so! But yes Jameson, others are interested in this subject information.

Motive: JonBenet Ramsey for Ramzi Yousef!
Yousef was convicted of bombings in New York and sentenced to life in prison. He was to be sent post Christmas 1996 to Colorado's Federal SuperMax prison. The event in the Muslim world was premier to Muslim religious teachings to FREE their religious brethren from the imprisonment by the infidels (USA).

Yousef release would have lead to a GREAT celebration by Muslims over the Infidels. Allah's will.

Means: Absolutely, the level of training in terrorist camps and their international movement was already well established by Muslim terror leadership.

Opportunity: A no brainer. The New super Rich Ramseys in their simple goodness just wanted to be--regular folks--and left the doors open. The Muslim local--info--gatherers on Boulder's "persons of comfort" was complete and further determined by the business mag article on Ramsey and others.

#7, RE: Lunate & Capitate
Posted by sharkie on May-02-03 at 10:56 AM
In response to message #3
In my opinion it was all part of a scenario he saw in a movie...the killer was not creative enough to use his own ideas. He was rigid in his madness....he wanted it the murder to follow the story line of many movies.

#9, Movies as TO MOCK culture.
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:16 AM
In response to message #7
I live in Los Angeles County near Edward's Air Force Base. In late 1990'S the military moved onto Edward's the anti-terrorism marine units with black hawk helicopters and hueys. One of their main missions is to protect HOLLYWOOD. The helicopters move over to the LA basin for every major Hollywood event.

The point here is the level of THREAT to Hollywood is real.

Muslims understand they must destroy the USA pop culture center! This to stop the Westernization of Muslim youth. Culture war! MOVIES. Jewish studio executives.

The Ramsey note uses IMO the movie sayings to MOCK the USA culture and to tell authoriaties HERE we are again. The on-going INCESSANT Muslim terror activity in our Nation began in early 1990's or earlier, not 09-11-02.

Recognize, Jameson has stated that she has no direct info as to the dictionary being open to Incessant or incest. The Ramseys themselves would not directly know this to be or not to be! Only the BPD would know this as evidence.

So, incessant or incest, the two are HEARSAY only as to case evidence.

#10, Cultural religious WAR!
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:26 AM
In response to message #9
In this exploration of the RAMSEYS being draged into a Cultural religious war of the Old World Muslim blood line rulers versus the Western Nations, esp. the USA as to Western pop Culture (Hollywood) and Jewish, Evangelist center of power and wealth.

Again, MOTIVE: Ramsey for Ramzi Yousef!!!!

"Listen Carefully!"

In the ransom note one finds--associative--to Muslims words and phrases, also, if One has a religious understanding and study of the Quran, One futher finds more--associative--symbols and meanings westerns are in full lack of knowledge too.

In 'Listen Carefully" We have the main religious Quran stated likeness to--Listen to Us!--Muslims use toward Infidels.

#11, Why? "Listen Carefully"
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:31 AM
In response to message #10
Why not, Read Carefully, my instructions Mr. Ramsey!!!!

Listen to what, for the EAR to HEAR?

If Muslim, then HEAR the Mosque calling too! Services? Iman's Quran instructions?

Read versus "Listen".

#12, Why MALE only!!!!
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:37 AM
In response to message #11
The evidence shows a--direct--act to only give salutation to the male father and it continues to male throughout ransom note. No communication to Mrs. Ramsey and no female names.

I smell Muslim males in the HE way of female dominace. Muslim females to the back or in separate rooms. Behind which door?

Note: Male dominace isn't restricted to Muslims only, but One must find others coincidences to continue as to a association to Muslims. The developing Muslim uprising in their Holy Jihad against the West and esp the USA is building pre-1996.

#14, Heart & X
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:44 AM
In response to message #12
Again, IF the business magazine was marked by--intruder(s)--, then an explanation as to the--heart--on Ramsey would be the Muslim perspective of that a few Christians are good of the heart(Quran). Mr. Ramsey being seemly a Old (Jewish testament)Testament Christian sort of centered believer with--tolerance--for others in business and private life, he would be given such a mark.

The X we find in American culture elements as to Malcolm X. The X is stated to be symbolic of the Malcolms former life before conversion to Islam beliefs. X is x-rated! X is to be not good as a Muslim is lawful and Pure.

#13, Dirty Harry
Posted by sharkie on May-02-03 at 11:37 AM
In response to message #11
the perp in Dirty Harry only communicated via phone in the movie. In the movie it is, "Listen Carerfully". Here is what is revealing of the perp in the JonBenet case, he can't move out of the lines and adapt to the "real" life situation. It had to be like how he saw it in the movie.

#15, Movies
Posted by Frank-e on May-02-03 at 11:54 AM
In response to message #13
I don't disagree with all the movie associations. The sayings are delievered to do just what they do accomplish in the Ramsey case. The movies accomplish a sort of throwing up, a means of identifing the difference culturally as to led by pop-culture, a means of cunfusionism to further MOCK the little--understanding--of Americans to the superior mind abilities and religious insight Muslims have over American Pie (movies) eaten (watched) by infidels.

To mock!!!! 100% Muslim.

A cultural religious competive zeal. A war!!!!

#16, "In the Army now" Pauley Shore
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 12:04 PM
In response to message #15
A 1995 movie based on the USA vs. Muslim conflict in Chad and Libya.

Duct tape (short) four.
"Listen up!"
"Why I'm not stranguling you right now."
"Tying me up and all that wild stuff."
FBJC initials of first names of four main characters.

"It's the night before Christmas". "I'm talking about anticipation." "We might die!" "We might escape it" "They might torture us or even kill us."

This pre-Ramsey murder is an example of USA propaganda counter intelligence development in the MOVIE industry.

Did the Muslims get it? Yes, in my opinion, we see it communcated back at them, in the 1996 Ramsey ransom note!!!!

Army movie to MOCK, and so Ramsey note to MOCK back at ya!!!! WAR.

#18, Jameson
Posted by why_nut on May-02-03 at 12:24 PM
In response to message #16
And before anyone complains about limiting it to one thread, I am not changing rules - I have not let any poster fill the forums with constant talk of their favorite suspects without showing proof.

Pachaly was described and even accused by a poster - - but he didn't take every thread and try to turn it to his favorite subject.

Oh, you most certainly did "let any poster fill the forums with constant talk of their favorite suspects without showing proof"; you certainly have let a poster "take every thread and try to turn it to his favorite subject." As an example, there was a thread begun December 29th, 2000, in which eighteen posts out of 21 were posted by dis_man, in which he pounded on his favorite suspect he called Kali2. Yet another thread was begun on March 22, 2001, in which dis_man submitted 23 out of 33 posts on the thread. You have forgotten just how prone dis_man was to writing at length about his desire to connect to the crime to Brad Pitt, the movie COOL WORLD, and seeking out the mysterious "woman with a bird tattoo on her calf."

#19, The Moon-crescent-capitate
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 12:32 PM
In response to message #16
Koran 54:1 section

"The hour of doom is drawing near, and the moon is cleft in two. Yet, when they see a sign(jbr's palm)(heart), the unbelievers turn their backs and say: 'Ingenious sorcery!

"They deny the truth, and follow their own fancies(movies). But in the end all issues (Non-believers) shall be laid to rest."

"Cautionary tales, profound in wisdom (Jews & Chrisitans), have been narraeted to them: but warnings are unavailing. " (Ramsey note WARNINGS)

54:11 "This WE have left as a sign:" (JBR's palm)(ransom note)(heart) but will any take heed? How grievious was my scourge, and how clear my WARNING!

54:49 "We have destroyed many a nation like yourselves." "Will you not take Warning?"

"you and yours" Ramsey note. One will find in the Koran's English translation, the use of "you and yours" as a Koran constant use.

Note: The evidence association is based on HEARSAY as to evidence in Ramsey case in comparison to Muslim theory.

#20, Publically, Boulders #1
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 12:42 PM
In response to message #19
The Ramseys were publically Boulder's #1 wealthy persons of comfort in 1996. The stage was set over and over in local papers it seems of one Ramsey event to another.

A SIGN!!!! Ramsey! Yes the name itself became a SIGN to Muslim superstition processes of understanding Allah's will for them to act. To a Muslim extremist, Ramsey for Ramzi Yousef was PURE ALLAH communication to act for the release of their brother Ramzi from the Infidels.

It also further the Koran's teaching on the Jihad.

17:16 "When we resolve to destroy a city, We first give warning to those of its people who live in comfort."

A early event of such to obtain the release of Ramzi Yousef was PERFECT by the SIGNS of to act too. The Evangelist Christian daughter of the Mother who was openly declaring Jesus and donating monies to Evangelist worldwide was futher fuel for the FIRE of Muslim punishment. She of comfort! No HEART drawn for Mrs. Ramsey, Anywhere noted?

Posted by Mikie on May-02-03 at 12:22 PM
In response to message #0
If Frank-e is in left field, I'll take right. I think the dictionary was opened to incest. Add that to Santa's and Wolf's accusations, and the ancient religious punishment of death for incest, and you have it as a religion-inspired murder. Fanatical Fundamentalist Muslims in some places probably do punish with death for adultery, possibly incest, but I doubt. I see no Muslim implications present at the crime scene, no matter how hard I look.

#21, Denver connection-1996 to 09-11-02
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 12:45 PM
In response to message #17
The Saudi University student in 1996 Abdulaziz Alomari had his passport stolen and it ended up in the 2002 terrorists posessions in 2002. Muslims in Colorado?

#22, "fat cats" Mohammed Atta
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 01:47 PM
In response to message #21
Mohammed Atta inherited this saying from his Eygptian Father in childhood. Atta is said to have used it in conversations.

In April 1996, Atta writes his will. The will would later be found in his belongings post 09-11-02. In 1996 reports show a Atta as a male (HE) in changeing times. It's unknown where Atta was Christmas 1996.

The male (HE) Muslim did post Christmas 1996 return to school and work until mid 1997 and the lost his job and disappeared for months. Atta returned and the engagement to the SLEEPER CELL of four (4) males (HE) was brought together.

Was the kidnapping of JBR the first early SIGN of the KORAN's "The Cave" international sleepers of holy martyrs existence as a "foreign faction."

#23, To deceive & warn.
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 01:54 PM
In response to message #22
Koran 53:1 "By the declining STAR (sign), your compatriot is not in error, nor is he deceived!"

Ramsey note page two: "You can try to deceive us but be warned,,,,"

Koran 39:16 To WARN!

Star: JBR's shirt.

#24, Psalms 37,29 Palestine land.
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 01:56 PM
In response to message #23
"The fate of sinners and the reward of the just."

#25, "beheaded"
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 02:03 PM
In response to message #24
Koran section "Mohammed" 47:3 "This because the unbelievers follow falsehood, while the faithful follow the truth from their Lord. Thus God lays down for mankind their rules of conduct." "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike of their heads (beheaded) and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." "Then grant them their freedom or take RANSOM from them, until war shall lay down her (feminine) burden."

#26, Ramsey boiler room
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 02:12 PM
In response to message #25
Koran 40:66

"Do you not see how those who dispute the revelations of God turn away from the right path?"

"Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through our Apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round your necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and burnt in the fire of Hell."

44:33 "Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this , illustrious and honorable man!" "This is the punishment which you have doubled."

#27, Pineapple-The Zaqqum Tree
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 02:19 PM
In response to message #26
Koran 17:58 "We have made a vision which we showed you, as well as the tree (Zaqqum) cursed in the Koran, but a test for men's faith." "We seek to put fear in their hearts (Mr. Ramsey), but their wichedness increases."

Research of the Zaqqum Tree seems to be it's a ornamental street landscape tree common to American cites, but found in the Middle East in Judea (Israel). Plum tree whoms fruit is yellow and fiberous alike pineapple.

#28, Remember! Look for the SIGNS
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 03:14 PM
In response to message #27
Muslims are SIGN centered in their religion. The givers and receivers of SIGNS.

Such as ANGELS....

Signs: Signs from God, 31; destruction of anceint nations as, 210, 219,226,228,276, 308, 329, 334; disbief in, 21, 58, 102-3, 201; calls for, 184, 203-04, 227; etc.

Natural world Sijjin,421


#29, Facing Mecca....
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 03:19 PM
In response to message #28
Koran 2:14444 "Many a time have We seen you turn your face (Jews & Christians) towards the sky.We will make you turn towards a qiblah that will will please you." Turn your face towards the Holy Mosque (Mecca), whereever you be, turn your face toward it."

What's facing where (mecca) in the Ramsey house on that terrible day?

#30, Heart
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 03:22 PM
In response to message #29
Koran 3:148 "We will put terror into the hearts (Ramsey picture) of the unbelievers. They serve other dieties besides God for whom He (male) has revealed no sanction. The fire shall be their home; dismal indeed is the dwelling of the evil doers."

No-brainer as to the Ramseys home post Christmas.

#31, Star & JBR
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 03:29 PM
In response to message #30
Koran 53:1 section "The star". :By the decling star (JBR), your compatriot (Mohammed)(or nation beseiged (USA) prophet showed muslim signs) is not in error, nor is he decieved!"

Koran 57"13. "Today no ransom shall be accepted from you, or from unbelievers." " The Fire shall be your home: you have justly earned it, a dismal end!"

Koran 56:74 "I swear by the shelter of the stars...."

#32, Retaliation-"female for a female"
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 04:04 PM
In response to message #31
Koran 2:178 "Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed: a free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, and a female for a female."

I understand this as to the ransom note statement of retaliation for "the (USA)nation (Ramsey business) it serves."

The death of a Palestinian female child may be the "eye for an eye." I have not researched 1995-96 child female Muslim deaths.

#33, Religious punishment
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 04:13 PM
In response to message #32
5:70 "Unbelievers are those that say: "God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." "For the Messiah (Jesus) himself said: 'Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord.'

"unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.' "There is but one God." "If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished.

The Muslim ignorance of Christian belief is terrible. But without a great deal of time, this goes to Mrs. Ramsey, She as a Evangelist finacial supporter was and is in direct conflict with the Muslim leadership. Her punishment as a unbeliever is something I'll descibe in another post.

The religious conflict between Christians and Muslims is a REAL LIFE crisis today.

#34, Firewood & rope fibre garrote
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 04:17 PM
In response to message #33

"He shall be bunrt in a flaming fire, and his wife, laden with firewood, shall have a rope fibre around (garrote) her neck.

Ramsey fireplace?

#35, Ra'ina & Unzurna , "Listen carefully"
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 04:28 PM
In response to message #34
1 "These words mean 'Listen to us' and 'Look upon us' respectively; but in Judaco-Arabic the sound of the first conveys the sense, 'Our evil one'

Mr. Ramsey

"Listen carefully" (Our evil one.)

#36, "small foreign faction" *ransom note.
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 04:45 PM
In response to message #35
This statement is tainted IMO with the--to mock--attitude by the writer as to divisions versus humanity as One community.

23:50 "Your community is but one community, and I am your only Lord: therefore fear me."

"Yet men have divided themsleves into factions, each rejoicing in its own doctrines." "Leave tham in their error till a time appointed."

Koran 42:9 ....'Observe the Faith and do not divide yourselves into factions.'....

The stating to be a "faction" (forbidden to Muslim oneness) is a twisted act to communicate, as to mock others, but helpful, if you MEASURE the same act of to mock for other Ramsey ransom note statements and numeral expressions.

Muslim male atttude is to mock, to correct, to diminish another, to turn away from, to express superior position, to tell, to not listen to a females pleadings, to be with males in Muslim unity.

#37, $118,000.00 & THE CAVE 18:1
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 07:40 PM
In response to message #36
There're two elements of the $118,000.00 that sets this evidence off. The second one (1) and the cents (.00).

The two distinct odities offer a Muslim explanation: I simply assume that a Muslim terrorist trained in camps is trained to identify such changes and orient to the Koran meaning or message info as to orders.

First, the reader is to understand that this is from the Koran's, The Cave 18:1 and that the Ramsey purification act was the work of the "Sleepers of the Cave" and to "Listen carefully."

#38, Holy War-Jihad organization.
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 07:53 PM
In response to message #37
Koran verse 8:65 "Prophet, rouse the Faithful to arms. If there are twenty ($20) steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish two hundred: and if there are a hundred ($100), they shall route a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding."

Yes, I have gone from the Ramsey ransom amount of $118,000.00 an driven it further into the demanded denominations of $20 & $100. "THE CAVE" 18:1 is central to Muslim dominance as to religious rule worldwide and the ultimate PUREST state of being a blood line ARAB!!!!

The "sleepers of the cave" are nothing else than religious terrorist. Holy Muslim Brothers maintaining a high level of Muslim lawful purity, for a religious act. To punish unbelievers, infidels. To purify the infidels!!!!

#39, Sleepers of the Cave-organization
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 08:22 PM
In response to message #38
$118,000.00=7 sleepers and one dog.
$100,000=5 sleepers and one dog.
$18,000=4 sleepers and one dog.
S.B.T.C (F.B.J.C.) or any correct unknown letters of four.
This =3 sleepers and one dog.

Dog=A Muslim businessman (male) with a poor Muslim religious development looking for forgiveness of sins and reward of business activity position in Muslim circles. Understand this as to closed Muslim societies and lack of freedom.

The DOG directs the local effort like in Boulder to receive the sleepers. The DOG hires and directs all info collection as on Ramseys and communicates this info to the sleepers.

Sleepers can come in a number of as to Koran, what ever works for Muslim dominance!

#40, $18,000--two elements standout.
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 08:32 PM
In response to message #39
The two elements are obvious. The improper $ SIGN and the 8 itself is tilted and is flat at top and bottom.

The $ SIGN is IMO a Shepards STAFF and a snake coiled around it. We can see an example of theis in the medical-staff of aesculapius.

We can understand this as to Moses staff tuning into a snake.

The 8 offers a far more important expresssion! The 8 in the Ramsey note is a HOUR GLASS & is tilted to the 11th hour position. Understand this as not a communication message to the Ramseys not the police, but to Muslims who have been trained in camps to deciphor such images.

New Testament 20: 1-16 "....at the last possible time; just before it is too late."

The 11th hour CALL to JIHAD by the Prophets of Islam.

Remember, this is back in 1996.

#41, Deliever & 8-10 am & compromize
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 09:07 PM
In response to message #17
The Ramsey note "8 to 10 am" statement as to the CALL! The CALL is to Muslim believers to begin attacks as to 8 to 10 years post MILLINIUM.

2008 to 2010 is the projected DELIVERANCE ( Ramsey 4 delivers) of the WESTERN Nations to Muslim dominance by--institutional compromizing due to the infiltration of the Nations institutions. Also, the finacial cost will rise and so to drive us to compromize. The end result will be the surrender to POPULATION by Muslim's future dominance, or violent competition to ensue worldwide.

Europe is already in the position of COMPROMIZE to large Muslim populations there.

#42, Hence (Ramsey note)
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 09:09 PM
In response to message #41
7:11 "He said: 'Get you down hence! This is no place for your comtemtuous pride. Away with you! Henceforth you shall be humble."

#43, "You will withdraw" Evangelist Christian
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 09:14 PM
In response to message #42
Evangelist Christians from the Muslim nations territories!

The Muslim BANK is the Muslim nations. They have a system to protect these nations first and foremost not to lose territory. And so, the SLEEPERS OF THE CAVE are not associated with anyone Muslim nation.

Remember, think as a Muslim trained in the camps!!!!

#44, Incessant
Posted by Mikie on May-02-03 at 11:01 PM
In response to message #43
I might have heard it a few times in my life, usually someone complaining about an "incessant talker" or something like that. But I see no reason to think it would be a word worth pointing to in a murder. In fact murder is cessation, not incessation. If Al Quaeda thinks they have murdered infidels "incessantly", then they seem to be wrong. 9/11 was long ago.

#45, Muslims INCESSANT attacks on Israel
Posted by F-e on May-02-03 at 11:40 PM
In response to message #44
Muslim Prophetic extremist begin INCESSANT attacks on America in late 1980's with RAMZI YOUSEF. The INCESSANT nature of the Muslim attacks did not end with Yousef's arrest and sentencing to Colorado's Federal supermax prison. On Christmas night in 1996 a female child was murdered in a kidnapp Ramsey for Ramzi plot gone sour. JonBenet Ramsey and her family are considered victims of terrorism by a lone California individual.

Come on, Israel and the USA are under constant alert and only waiting for the next attack and casualties.

News flash!

#46, Could be somone from a
Posted by Maikai on May-03-03 at 00:08 AM
In response to message #45
middle-eastern country, living in Boulder (although the DNA is from a white caucasion male). The movie lines could have been part of the sarcastic tone of the note, and possibly to sound more American--or as has been pointed out, to poke fun at the American culture.

There is the word, "attache"--if you put suitcase in a thesaursus program, attache comes up as a possibility.

The dollar sign looks like a pound sign in $118,000. A country where pounds were used for currency.

Kidnapping is common in some countries---as a way to make money.

Garrotting---also more prevalent in some countries.

#47, Muslim's signal "Victory!"
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 00:14 AM
In response to message #45
June 22, 2002 Abu Graith Al Qaida communications: "He said the Sept. 11, 2002 attacks were 'a great historic VICTORY that broke the backs of the Americans, the strongest power in this world.'

3:147 "Their only words were: "Lord, forgive us our sins and our excesses: make us firm of foot and give us victory over the unbelievers."

48:1-3; "We have given you a glorius victory, so that God may forgive you your past and future sins...."

This last translation into English must leave the reader with concerns as to the intent of the forgiveness. IF, One goes to JIHAD for to seek God's VICTORY, it then delievers to the warrior of service-forgiveness of sins and perfection.

In addition, if so, to the Ramsey death of their child being some act of Muslim forgiveness of sin for the act of murder is sick.
48:3 cont....,and perfect His goodness to you;

A religious concept that leads to a religious JIHAD (crusader) expectation of forgiveness for past and future sins and the ultimate perfection is sick to me.

But it is real, for millions believe in such matters of Muslim Faith, also, young Muslim males are committing their very lives (martyrs) to attain such FOREGIVENESS and PERFECTION.

Victory! ALLAH'S. Reward belongs to the criminal terrorist.

Who are the Muslim WE? The Muslim Prophets and their Jihad Imans.

#48, SBTC or whatever
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 00:23 AM
In response to message #47
The signature letters at the end of the Ramsey ransom note are common in various letters as to 4 letter construction w/period in Muslim writings.

Mohammed himself is referenced by four letters.

SBTC is not in my opinion the TRUE four letters of the ransom note. At least One appears to be changed, the T. , but the ability to change the letters would be easy and hard to detect.

#49, Who is the Muslim STAR?
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 00:33 AM
In response to message #48
Gabriel they say!

Ramsey stars?

#50, Uni- Denver student-Abdulaziz Alomari 19
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 09:44 AM
In response to message #49
Mr. Alomari's passport was One used on Flt 11 09-11-02. A flt that the leader Mohammad Atta espoused from his childhood a favorite saying "fat cats"! Mr. Alomari states he reported the passport loss to the Denver police, but seems, to not have reported it to the U.S. State Department who issued it. The unknown flt 11 terrorist is not talking anymore. Mr. Alomari has returned to Saudi Arabia and HE left behind a mystery why HE never reported the passport to proper authoraties!!!!

As a student in Denver, Mr, Alomari is reported to have threatened a video camera operator "to cut off the head" (Bin Ladin saying) due to filming his wife at a campus event. The Pasport was reported to be stolen from his attache (briefcase) case.

In 1995, it's reported he was arrested for assault and in 1996 for disturbing the peace.

Remember here, Atta and another tested ALLAH just a couple days before 09-11-02, by walking out of a resturant without paying, and so, they were looking for a way out!!! Arrest. Stop the Muslim death march, but it didn't, they paid and the WE (Prophets of Islam) sent them to kill.

Was Alomari looking for a way out in 1996? Was Alomari testing ALLAH'S will for him?

I believe him and his wife should be suspects in the Ramsey childs death. An investigation into the Mr. and Mrs. past associations, if either were or studied police procedures and Boulder police info? If the two ever attended the Mosque in Boulder? Association to the mystery person whom used Mr. Alomari's passport.

A DOG (sleepers) Muslim businessman association with Alomari or his obligation too, for his education monies to be pay back by being a recruiter of sleepers?

Colorado citizens should demand a special investigation into Denver/Boulders Muslim underground and terror cells in relation to the death of JonBenet Ramsey.

A motive (Ramzi for Ramsey), means and opportunity existed in 1996 for the kidnapping and ransom for RAMZI YOUSEF to occur. The failure by the child's premature death to be a cause that effected the demand of YOUSEFS release as well as Muslims taking credit for JBR's death.

Bad Muslim press day. So close to the big Muslim propaganda event!!!!

I contend that their was seven (7) sleepers and their dog (Koran 18:1 The Cave) involved altogether in the Ramsey kidnapping. Of the Seven, Said Bahaji is in U.S. custody, Atta is dead, Ramzi Binalshibh (Omar) unknown, Zakariya Essabar unknown, Ziad Samir Jarrah is dead, Maral Shehi is dead, and Mr. Alomari is in Saudi Arabia.

The DOG Muslim businessman (possible Syrian) is unknown.

#51, Ransom note: Perfect Muslim forum IF!
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 11:01 AM
In response to message #50
The Ramsey ransom note was the PERFECT tool of Muslim mass communication of the Prophetic voice of Islam. IF, the HIGHEST level of Ramzi Yousef release was accomplished, then the ransom note IF published became the PERFECT CALL to Jihad. Yousef's release would have declared to Muslim extremist worldwide, ALLAH is with them!!!!

But it would be NEGATIVE press if it failed, it did fail, it failed to attain the level of POSITIVE accomplishment for Muslims to take credit for the event. It also would be FOOLISH for them to pre-state their idenity before Yousef negotiations for hostage trade ensued with the FEDS.

The Ramsey ransom note muslim message was abandoned for propaganda purposes due to the death of the female child.

#52, Ramsey daughter & wife intended.
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 11:07 AM
In response to message #51
I suggest that the lack of GRAB & RUN with JBR was due to the kinappers intent to also get Mrs. Ramsey that night. The rope in the spare bedroom, where Mrs. Ramsey slept while sick was the expectation of the sleepers activity that night.

I also suggest that the SLEEPERS had entered the Ramsey house previous of 12-25-96 and so lifted the paper and pens used in the note.

I also suggest that things were changed or left in the house and on the property as a religious required Muslim WARNING of the coming event. I contend the Ramseys never saw the WARNING!

The Muslim terrorist would also be going through purification rituals and testing ALLAH for a SIGN of their act being Allah's will.

#53, Muslim male purification
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 11:13 AM
In response to message #52
The most obvious purification ritual would have been sexual release (hired prostitute for unmarried) and body washings. Remember, Muslims are exterior purist not interior HEART love of well-being expansion, but FEAR by self diminishing religious punishment.

#54, Tying wrists & ankles--garrote
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 11:23 AM
In response to message #53
I conclude that the rope bindings were design for the purpose of transportation from house by two persons. Mr. Ramsey stated in deposition his daughter was wraped alike a papoose. A police style technique of two person carry of bindings with person face done.

The garrote was IMO a device to control any possible verbal outburst by JBR and or quick death if need occured to abandon her, so to leave no witness of perp's identities.

The short movie style duct tape was their failure IMO, and that JBR got it loose and screamed, so leading to head blow and garrote so planed before the moment.

Means: Professionally trained killer in Muslim camps.

The hesitation hold in basement for change in plan for Mrs. Ramseys kidnapping (not in spare bedroom) led to the death event IMO.

#55, Victory! Sins forgiven & Perfection obta
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 11:31 AM
In response to message #54
The SLEEPERS are highly motivated by religious REWARDS of sin forgiveness (Physical & Deed Impurity burden)and the religious goal of PURITY PERFECTION!!!!

Some Muslims obtain this goal by acts of "VICTORY!" against the unbelievers (Infidels)in JIHAD violence.

#56, Ramsey WARNING SIGNS!
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 11:42 AM
In response to message #55
First, one must accept the Muslim mind set as to what is expected by the unbeliver as to WARNINGS. A warning is delievered in a manner designed to test the warned if they understand ALLAH'S signs.

A moved item facing Mecca!

A magazine marked with a V or something unknown to person, esp, showing Muslim disgust in indirect manner!

A Christian religious symbol disapearance, moved or broken!

A book open to a particular verse or word!

A unknown physical item left!

A crescent moon shape!

The color green object left or changed!

A door left open and or to face Mecca!

Defacing minor or major of any Christian symbol of the Trinity!

Any writing depicting Jesus as Lord!


#57, Mr. Ramsey-Warning SIGNS
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 12:12 PM
In response to message #56
Access Graphics in Boulder, as well as, or more important the Paris office would be suspect. Paris is the strongest PROPHETIC Muslim Center in the West outside Mecca, Saudi Arabia and Tehran, Iran.

The Khomenei FROGS have deeply infiltrated Paris institutions and are the major French domestic threat in France today and in 1996. The French have a knife to their bellies.

Mr. Ramsey's business connections, employees and deals must be fully investigated in Paris for 1996. Lockheed should be concerned of Muslim business infiltration.


Again, alike the previous page on warnings such things of the uncommon.

Mr. Ramsey may have had a literal DEAD DOG left in his path.

Mr. Ramsey may have had a magazine in his office or building left with V's on the pictures. Esp. If female nudity or luxery items.

A fire, of unknown origen.

Phone calls unanswered to his hello.

Odd messages left at Access Graphics.


Locks of hair.

A strangers embrace from behind, head to head.


#58, RE: Mr. Ramsey-Warning SIGNS
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 12:18 PM
In response to message #57
Unknown Muslim European or Middle Eastern female appearance pre-Christmas 1996 in Boulder, Michigan or Paris.

Unusual live BIRD event? All family members here. (Don't ask, read Koran, Birds)

Unusual statement by a mentally disturbed individual.

Unusual BIRD deaths.

#59, Muslim businessman profile
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 12:21 PM
In response to message #58
The DOG businessman is generally from the poorer Muslim nations seeking finacial support from the richer Muslim leaders like the Saudi's.

The DOG can be a SYRIAN, North African, Indonesia, Malasia etc. DOGS need money for business.

#60, "doesn't listen" carefully to Ayatollah
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 04:02 PM
In response to message #59
From associated Press.

"Somebody--who has might but not logic--does not have dignity nor shame and doesn't listen to anybody," Jannati said, in an apparent reference to the Bush administration. His speech was broadcasted live on Tehran radio."

"Jannati, who heads Iran's powerful Guardian Council,"

President Bush should-LISTEN to me--and have his elite Marines and Navy seals round-up them their doggies (Ayatollahs, Clerics, and Imans of Jihad) up of religious false PROPHECIES and give me a sharp knife; I'll perform the ELIJAH (Kings 1, Jezebels) solution on one and all of them. Worldwide.

The LOGIC crack was IMO from the Chinese leaders statement about our President's LOGIC capability.

Look, President Bush may not be some SCHOLAR, but I give him credit for his scrappy get the job done C grade educational performance. Our President knows his limits; and he appoints and hires the LOGIC and reasoning experts as needed to America's benefit. See Ayatollah, in our country, religious or academic SCHOLARS don't rule, but work for in service too, for a paycheck! The People of America rule here.

Muslim Clerics are so SCHOLARLY and so well trimed mentally that they can't see the writing on the inside of the Crescent mooned door out-of-it house full of their Muslim BS!!!! The problem is they're only smelling their own passing wind rising up from the darkness below dumped there by their Old world ancestors false beliefs foul excrement.

Time for America to let the AIR be FREE of them their logical DEAD ONES charging for to breathe!

Humanities EXPANSION from the OLD WORLD to the NEW World of Freedom and Justice for all is unstoppable, as well as, it's God's will to BE done on earth as it is in Heaven. Not by religious rulers casting FEAR and unlawful burdens on humanity, but the free of heart driven love of God and One's neighbor as Oneself in fullness of One's ALL given too!!! Thanks be to God.

Mohammed was or is NO Prophet, you all prove it so to be by your fruits of destruction, death and chaos cycles of religious madness.

Purity by punishment, no way! Religious leaders rule, no way! Muslim population infiltration into America's institutions, no way!

President Bush, knock the HE males to the ground.

#61, Lockheed/Access Graphics soiled ground.
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 04:12 PM
In response to message #60
From associated press. "Iranian Cleric Urges Iraquis to Expel U.S."

"I urge to...make nonstop efforts (incessant) to expel the enemy from Iraq's unsoiled (pure, no infidels) l;and, he said."


Mr. Ramsey's company served what nation? USA! Soiling the Mulsim PURE land of pure/clean ones.

Motive: Ramsey's company served U.S.A. and so soiled Muslim nations PURE lands. Punishment due. Right

#62, "nation it serves"
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 05:01 PM
In response to message #61
How many millions of Muslims since 1990 have wanted to PUNISH the Muslim declared infidel nation of the USA?

For the Iranian Ayatollah to say Bush "doesn't listen to anybody", it means the Ayatollah is calling our President GODLESS! A heathen.

Them there are fighting words in my opinion. I didn't even vote for Bush nor will I ever, but to cast upon our elected leader by some religious "small foreign faction" dictator, well, I'm ticked off, and ready to fight another good fight. What do you say Americans?

Let's blow up another Crescent moon--out--of--it house full of religious BS!

JonBenet Ramsey didn't get no Crescent moon drawn on her palm as child play! A sign!!!!

#63, Paris Ayatollah FROGS-incessant
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 05:30 PM
In response to message #62
The Ayatollahs of Iran have 1000's of Muslim Frogs (French)that Mr. Ramsey should considered involved in his daughters death. Access Graphics, I understand from the past forum posts had an office in Paris. Mr. Ramsey's French employees should be suspect, at least for information gathering acts.

The world was at war in 1996; we just hadn't fully or publically realized the extent of intelligence and military buildup for the intensifying future which is today. A Democracy moves slowly in change and preparation for conflict.

Today, after Sept. 11th (11th hour muslim)we have to be concerned of--Muslim bugs in our rugs--and household candles burning Mustard Gas slowly into our lungs. Yes, we are at war and the enemy lurks through our neighborhoods night and day now.

In the future, children alike JBR will not dance on stages dressed as they freely choose nor read books and talk freely of subjects unlimited, but they will slowly and obsesessively as Muslims are continue to PURIFY by fear, fire and Jihad, and again to PURIFY by fear and Jihad and again until the day of the end by population dominance. A end of human life. Religious Zombies. Then, it will turn on itself.

Muslim religion is death by Fear & Fire purification ruled by hypocrites.

"One cannot serve two masters, for one will hate one and love the other." (NT)

Choose the master you can Love...

#64, Holy land & things to die for
Posted by F-e on May-03-03 at 08:38 PM
In response to message #41
The nation it serves!

To make a Father and Mother suffer for their Nations so-called wrongs?

Muslim religious leaders worldwide are calling on Muslims to punish the USA infidels. Muslim Ayatollahs and Imans declaring religious war against everything American. Christian missionary workers taken hostage in the night worldwide for ransoms or killed in churches in Pakistan.

But to die for Ones famous Muslim brother Ramzi Yousef held by the infidels of America, well no greater--honor--could be given nor found then this religious demand to free Yousef from the USA prison. One or more such as a Muslim would be famous as any one of our pop-culture stars, except this star would be revered as a warrior sleeper of ALLAH'S. The ultimate Muslim male's fantasy!

Lockheed Martin and Access Graphics serving a nation expanding with a high speed pop-culture far beyond the Old World nations; they who're still ruled by dictators and religious isolationists of a violent HE male religion constructed to drive out by human ignorance and superstitions to form one earth community to rule by blood lines. They who onto the world do drive their population dominance movement as an Arab race or the competing Persian religious Shiite's Empire by schemes of disconnected terrorism.

Mr. Ramsey never saw it coming nor the WARNINGS or the high level motive of brother Ramzi Yousef's freedom being his daughter's dangerous times. The perfect hostage!

Only the mother and daughter together would have been a greater show down at the not so OK corraled USA Gov.!!! Ramzi for Ramseys, would the USA Gov have had negotiated the hostage exchange in 1996-97?

#65, "proper burial" Denied or not? Muslim?
Posted by F-e on May-04-03 at 10:54 AM
In response to message #64
I have never been in the Ramsey house nor even to Boulder. I don't know if there's down in the basement area or not locations other than the earth floored cellar to place the Ramsey child after perp murdered her. I can only assume that the perp chose the cellar for some very self important reason versus a criminal mastermind act of purpose. Since the ransom note includes the issue of burial, then I have to consider the--reason for--in relation to a Muslim religious mindset.

First, the reality was that--time--after murder was on the side of the perp! No lights went on, no neighbors activity it seems nor the Ramseys themselves awakened.

Second, this is the--time--factor of perp's confidence to do One more act before exit.

Third, One can speculate until blue without the direct crime scene evidence that Det. Smit centrally had at his disposal, or does today. What One cannot at all speculate or need too, this is the child's Father's statements of where and how she was laid and wrapped when Mr. Ramsey found her himself.

Mr. Ramsey found his daughter in the earth-floored cellar.
Mr. Ramsey in a deposition states she was wrapped like a papoose.
Mr. Ramsey may have given info as to her feet and hands/arms were exposed.

I begin by recognizing that murders often attempt to hide their victims bodies from detection. Yet, the cellar only offers limited time of detection as to search and or odor. The placement of body in the cellar in its' self is not a suggestion of burial, but maybe only a perp's simple sick impulse to hide JBR. Guilt or fear of?


#66, RE: "proper burial" Denied or not? Musli
Posted by F-e on May-04-03 at 10:59 AM
In response to message #65
The simple conclusion is clearly the above and that JBR was killed by a Pedophile with long-termed imagined processes of a developed criminal fantasy. This is the truest and most prudent conclusion in JBR's death.


#67, RE: "proper burial" Denied or not? Musli
Posted by Margoo on May-05-03 at 08:03 AM
In response to message #66
Mikie and Frank-E, if you carefully read Steve Thomas's reference to the dictionary, you will find it was a Ramsey photograph he was examining that supposedly had the dictionary in it (not a crime scene photo). I personally doubt the page was bent back like an arrow pointing at the word incest. I suspect the bottom of the page was bent back (like the bottoms of pages often are) and ST made much of N-O-T-H-I-N-G.