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#0, Prior sexual assault
Posted by jameson on Apr-26-02 at 09:22 PM
From the autopsy: "The hymen itself is represented by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and 10:00 positions." <BR>. <BR>Richard Krugman, a member of the DA's special team, openly disputed the rumor that the autopsy proved prior abuse - said not all kinds of sexual abuse left physical signs but that the concentric hymen described in the autopsy was "perfectly normal". <P>~~~~~~~~~~~<P>Quotes from A&E documentary <BR>. <BR>Tracey to Dr. Beuf: JonBenet was brought to see you on 27 occasions. Does this number of visits strike<BR>you as excessive? <P> Dr. Beuf: No, I don't think it's excessive under the circumstances. I went through her chart and<BR>summarized the types of visits she had in the office in the few years prior to her death. She was here three<BR>times for annual well-child visits, one time for stomach ache, one time for vaginitis, one time for a bruised<BR>nose from a fall at a local market, and 21 times for colds, sinusitis, ear infections, bronchitis, pneumonia,<BR>hay fever, and possible asthma. A pretty wide spectrum of generally allergy and respiratory system<BR>associated problems which are not uncommon with kids her age. <P> Tracey: So that number 27, one would expect that other children would have similar numbers of <BR>visits? <P> Dr. Beuf: Some more and in some cases less than others. <P> Tracey: In that kind of time frame? <P> Dr. Beuf: Yes. <P> Tracey: Did you see any signs of any kind of sexual or physical abuse of JonBenet Ramsey? <P> Dr. Beuf: I saw absolutely no signs of sexual abuse. I had no suspicion of it. <P> Man: Other media stories have suggested that vaginal inflamation released in the autopsy <BR> report suggests previous sexual abuse. This conclusion is not supported by the balance of medical <BR> opinion. <P> Dr. Thomas Henry: {Denver Medical Examiner} From what is noted in the autopsy report, there is no<BR>evidence of injury to the anus, there is no evidence of injury to the skin around the vagina, the labia.<BR>There is no indication of healed scars in any of those areas. There is no other indication from the autopsy <BR>report at all that there is any other previous injuries that have healed in that area. <P> Man: But the absence of physical evidence in itself is not conclusive. So is there any other <BR> evidence for the media's claim? <P> Man: Lucinda Johnson is John Ramseys first wife. <P> Man to Lucinda: A blunt question, is John Ramsey a child abuser? <P> Lucinda: No he is not. He is affectionate, he is kind and very gentle. <P> Man: Any suggestions from other family, other friends, school friends, so on, that that may <BR> be the case. <P> Lucinda: No. There have never been other suggestion from any other source. <P> Man: Peggy Ramsey, John's sister-in-law. Is John someone who would abuse children? <P> Peggy: No. No he is not and it hurts so much that people would even say it or think it. There is <BR> no truth to that. If we thought there was, we certainly would have spoken up as a family. We <BR> would have gotten together and said, look, you know, you need help but nothing like that ever, ever,<BR>ever crossed our minds. <P> Man: John Ramsey's first son, John Andrew: <P> John Andrew: No, there was never any abuse in my family. Zero. None. There was never any <BR> touching or anything weird that might be kind of seen as sexual abuse by some. Never. <P> Man: This is John Ramsey's oldest daughter, Melinda. <P> Melinda: I'm John Ramseys daughter. I grew up with him, he raised me and I saw him raise JonBenet<BR>and I don't understand why they don't believe me --- That he is the most caring father in the world. He<BR>has never, ever, ever abused us in any way. I just wish I could say something to convince them. <P> Man: These are family members but what they are saying is supported by Boulder social services. <BR>After the murder they videotaped a long interview with JonBenét's 9 year old brother Burke. The police<BR>watched from behind a two way mirror. Social Services later reported that there was no indication of<BR>either physical or sexual abuse. <P> The police declined to take part in this program but even their inquiry supports the family. <P> Many months of investigation into possible sexual abuse, according to one law enforcement <BR> official, had yielded zero - "Friggin' Zero!" <P>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <P>From Schiller's book - - page 305 - "The FBI believed that JonBenét's vaginal trauma was not consistant<BR>with a history of sexual abuse, and they had turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse." They felt<BR>the sexual assault was not done for personal gratification but for staging. <P>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`<P>

#1, Medical record
Posted by jameson on Apr-26-02 at 09:23 PM
In response to message #0
Dr. Beuf saw JonBenét 27 times between March, 1993 and November, 1996. <BR>Most of those visits were for sinus infections and colds. There was one for an injured finger, another <BR>after a fall in a grocery store. <BR>. <BR>(Personal comment - ò¿ó In July, 1998, on-line posters were upset over a photo of JonBenét where her<BR>finger appeared to have a Band-Aid on it and her left hand appeared swollen - could this be the injury<BR>treated by Dr. Beuf? Some posters felt this injury, and a bruise seen on her right arm in some pageant<BR>photos, indicated abuse. With no other bruises apparent in the photos, with no old scars or healing<BR>bruises, no old broken bones noted in the autopsy, I think these were just normal childhood bruises and<BR>NOT indicative of abuse. Kids get bumps and bruises. Battered kids get MORE!) <BR> . <BR> Dr. Beuf mentioned once in an interview that JonBenét had been hit with a golf club, a scar existed. <BR>This was the result of an accident - Burke had been playing golf and JonBenét accidently passed by him at<BR>the wrong time. Nothing more than that. <BR> . <BR> On five occasions he did a brief examination of the external genitalia. He said on Primetime live that he <BR> never did a speculum exam and did not suggest in any way that he did any type of internal exam. Here <BR> is the information on those 5 "vaginal" exams. <BR> . <BR> 9/1993 -age 3 - JonBenét had had a recent bout of diarrhea and was complaining of pain during <BR> urination and there was vaginal redness. Typical treatment would be plain water baths, possibly use of <BR> an ointment. <BR> . <BR> 4/1994 - age 3 - another visit concerning pain during urination - possibly related to bubble bath (a <BR> known irritant). This is in the doctor's records and appears to be the only time bubble bath caused the <BR> problem. Again, the typical treatment would be plain water baths and possibly an ointment. <BR>. <BR> 10/1994 - age 4 - a routine physical, no inflammation noted. It WAS noted that she OCCASIONALLY <BR> wet the bed - not unusual - Dr. Beuf told Primetime live that 20-25% of children wet the bed <BR> occasionally at the age of 4. <BR> . <BR> 3/1995 - age 4 - JonBenét was brought to the doctor with abdominal pain and fever. He did a full <BR> physical check on her and ran tests. <BR> . <BR> 8/1996 - age 5 - A routine physical (possibly a pre-school exam). Nothing noted as abnormal. <BR> . <BR> This is the extent of the external "vaginal" exams performed on JonBenét. ( ò¿ó Since the<BR>only times she had genital irritations were over three years before the murder, I think they have to be<BR>considered unrelated to the crime.) <BR> . <BR> The last time Dr. Beuf saw JonBenét as a patient was five weeks before she died - a check-up after a <BR>sinus infection. <BR> . <BR> After the murder, Dr. Beuf issued a statement - "My office treated JonBenét Ramsey from March,<BR>1993 through December, 1996. Throughout this period, there has been absolutely no evidence of abuse<BR>of any kind." <BR> . <BR> On February 14, 1997, Dr. Beuf was interviewed on KUSA-TV. He reported that they did ask him <BR> about prior sexual abuse of JonBenét. His answer? "I told them absolutely, categorically no. There was <BR> absolutely no evidence - either physical or historical." <BR>. <BR> In the British Documentary produced in the first half of 1998, Dr Beuf said , "I saw absolutely no signs <BR>of sexual abuse. I had no suspicion of it. I always think about sexual abuse with any child ... who comes <BR> through this practice, because it is such a terribly destructive thing ... in JonBenét's case I saw <BR> absolutely no evidence."

#2, Extremes
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-29-02 at 05:07 PM
In response to message #1
Its not as if JonBenet was constantly in the care of baby sitters and the like or had indifferent and unconcerned parents. She was watched fairly closely, she had a pediatrician known to be particularly alert to such matters and known to be prone to bringing any concerns to the attention of authorities, she was assertive enough to have spoken up if anything had happened and she was far too happy to have had anything like that happen to her. So I just don't understand this 'internet obsession' on prior sexual abuse.

#3, Those who write such things
Posted by Joyce on May-08-02 at 08:07 AM
In response to message #2
>and she <BR>>was far too happy to have <BR>>had anything like that happen to <BR>>her. So I just don't understand <BR>>this 'internet obsession' on prior sexual <BR>>abuse. <P>are probably thinking of faimly-member involvment and drawing a line to the parents from that. I didn't read that in the autopsy report (was horriable to read thru the first time I read it - it took me two readings on two different days) but I did see that they said it didn't seem to indicate that at all. I don't think you'll find Ramsey supporters saying that unless they think it was a neighbor, and of course the evidence doesn't support ANY prior abuse so that knocks their theories out the window.

#4, No prior abuse
Posted by jameson on Jun-07-02 at 07:58 PM
In response to message #3
She was loved and well cared for.<P>There is clear evidence of an intruder and a sexual assault thenight of her murder.<P>The investigation needs to continue - - our children should be safe and the monsters among us should be removed from our streets.