Other thread took too long to load but I think the thread is important.<P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/csback.jpg";> <P>Imagine a child sleeping in her bed - - you want her out of bed and out of the house - - or in the<BR> basement where no one will hear her cry. Imagine pressing a stun gun into her back, pressing her into<BR> the mattress so there's no escape. Put a hand or pillow over her face if you fear her crying out. <P> The child would not lose consciousness, but there would be no struggle - the body would jello.<P> To the basement - carried down the spiral stairs, through the kitchen and down the basement stairs.<P> To the hall - - that cluttered hall where the paintbrush was - <P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/cstote.jpg";> <P>- imagine making that garrote. <BR> Someone took her to the basement to make the garrote - the stick was broken there - the garrote<BR> was made ON her - - her hair was caught in the knots.<P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/csgaro~1.jpg";> <P>The lower line on her neck is where the garrote was first.<P><P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/faceright.jpg";> <P>Did the killer choke her to unconsciousness then loosen the knot? It seems so. Why? Was it just to<BR> torture? <P> When she came to, did he stun gun her again? This time on her face?<P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/csface.jpg";> <P>This is the face of JonBenét. The injury is likely that from a stun gun - - the white mark may be<BR> where the tape was on her mouth and the stun gun might have been pressed into the tape. The<BR> white material flaked off somewhere between the Ramsey house and the autopsy table - no one<BR> knows where that is.<P> Did he realize this wasn't what he thought it was going to be? Was he starting to panic? <P> Was he surprised when she got control and fought back? She scratched him - - she has foreign male<BR> DNA under her nails. Did he instinctively touch that wound and unwittingly pick up his own DNA? <P> Is that when he sexually assaulted her? His DNA was in her panties, comingled with her blood caused<BR> by the sexual assault.<P> Did she scream? Melody Stanton told a neighbor she heard the scream, she told the cops she heard<BR> the scream, months later she told Globe reporter Jeff Shapiro that she heard the scream.<P> Is that when he really panicked and hit her on the head with all his might? <P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/redskull.jpg";> <P>The injury would have been fatal if she lived longer - but he didn't let her live that long, he tightened the garrote again - <P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/neck1.jpg";> <P>and she died.<P> Some say a mother did this. I say no, it wasn't Patsy. This was a sick person, someone who lives<BR> with sickness all the time - - this was NOT an accident, NOT a cover-up. It was just what it looks<BR> like - - a brutal murder - - LOOK AT THE IMAGES! <P><BR>This is one of the last photos taken of JonBenét. She was not neglected, or abused, or unhappy or troubled. Who killed this child? That is what we want to know.<P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/christmas.jpg";>

“The child would not lose consciousness, but there would be no struggle - the body would jello.”<P>That “jelloing”would explain why she “allowed” someone to wrap the cord around her neck and strangle her without fighting or struggling – evidenced by the hair caught in the cord’s knotting and the “almost completely horizontal with slight upward deviation from the horizontal towards the back of the neck” ligature furrow.<P>But query how she was able to scratch at her throat (which, btw, there is no forensic evidence that she did; it's nothing more than speculation made by amateurs using distorted generational copies of crime scene photos) if she was “jelloing” throughout the fabrication of the garrote around her neck and the actual strangulation.<BR>

They cause the person to lose all control of their body. The person may well be aware of what is happening, but they drop too the ground and can't control their arms or legs or tongues. If she was injured in bed with the stun gun, she would not have been able to fight with the man or cry out for her parents as he took her from her room.<P>But the effects do not last forever - and the killer was with her for some period of time. he carried her to the basement and made that garrote - - no one knows how long he was with her before she died. Could have been 10 minutes, could have been an hour.

PHYSICAL INJURIES <P><BR> Smit's argument: Evidence shows JonBenet's injuries are vicious and came before death -- not as<BR> part of an act of "staging" afterward. The violence seems beyond the capability of even an enraged<BR> parent. "This is a brutal murder -- this is not a kid knocked out and her death staged." <P> Struggling to escape: Fingernail marks on JonBenet's neck indicate she was trying to get the ligature<BR> off her neck, contrary to one police theory that she was unconscious. "She is not knocked out, she is<BR> not near death, she is fighting to stay alive," Smit said. <P> Depth of ligature mark: Autopsy photos show the ligature was tightened deeply into her neck. "That<BR> was brutally, forcibly, deeply dug into the furrows of her neck. This was not an easy strangulation.<BR> This was a brutal strangulation." <P> Redness of ligature marks: Redness indicates injuries came before death -- not after as part of<BR> staging. "If you try to put a rope around a kid's neck after she's dead, you're not going to get a red<BR> mark like that at all, you're going to get a white mark." Other abrasions on her shoulders and leg also<BR> left reddish marks. "That means she was alive and struggling, she was not dead. This is not staging." <P> Tiny eye hemorrhages: When a person is strangled, small blood vessels in the eye and eye lid burst.<BR> "It will not happen unless a person is alive." JonBenet's eyes showed these injuries. <P> Vaginal injuries: Something -- possibly one end of the broken paintbrush -- was forced into<BR> JonBenet's vagina because her hymen was partly torn. It was bleeding, so it happened before death.<BR> Smit said it was the only tear in her vagina, so he doesn't think somebody was sexually assaulting her<BR> over a long period of time. Plant materials similar to the paint brush's wood shards are found in her<BR> vagina. <P> Head injury: Smit calls head injury very severe, but little bleeding resulted -- only about two<BR> tablespoons of blood. In fact, he said, the head injury wasn't noticed when she first was examined.<BR> There was no cut on the scalp. Only after removal of the skull cap was the fracture on the right side<BR> of her head apparent. Such an injury, he said, would usually result in massive bleeding, and blood<BR> should have been found in the house. "So when this happened, she was near death. I believe the<BR> garrote was in place and huge pressure had been put there. . . . That's why I believe the head blow<BR> came last, not first. . . . This was the coup de grace on the job." <P> Response: Marks on JonBenet's neck come from attempt at manual strangulation, with perpetrator's<BR> knuckles causing the abrasions. Thomas theory doesn't dispute that JonBenet was alive when<BR> strangled by the garrote. Experts disagree on whether JonBenet's vaginal injuries point to prior abuse.<BR> Experts also disagree on when the head injury happened. At least two have said it could have been<BR> before the garroting. One of those, Ronald Wright, head of the forensic pathology department at the<BR> University of Miami, reviewed the autopsy report for the News n 1997. He said the blow to the head<BR> could have been 20 to 60 minutes before the strangulation because the brain showed swelling,<BR> something that takes time to happen.

It is often the case that victims do not resist their antagonists. Children are especially subseptible to threats with a weapon or verbal threats. Cooperation must often seem like the best method for survival.<P>Once a noose is tightened, though, and the pain & danger become evident to the brain, it's reflexive that that hands go to the throat to struggle against the asphyxiation.

In the lawsuit against Steve Thomas, there is a statement of fact - - points that Lin Wood will prove in court. I think it is interesting that he is very clear about a couple of points.<P><BR>32. Upon autopsy, physical findings on the body of JonBenét Ramsey indicated that she had been sexually assaulted shortly before her death and attacked with a stun gun on at least two areas of her body.<P><b>His witnesses here? The autopsy, Lou Smit and Mike Dobersen.</b><P>34. Only a miniscule amount of blood was found upon autopsy in the skull cavity of JonBenét Ramsey, establishing beyond reasonable dispute that the massive blow to her head was delivered at a time when the garrote had been sufficiently tightened around her neck to the point of cutting off the flow of blood from her heart to her brain.<P><b>The name of the expert he will use to prove this point is not yet public, but I suspect Dobersen will contribute.</b>

why we are here

They still make me feel ill when I view them.

I wish I could take a good close look at the garrote.<BR>I don't believe the cord was tied to the<BR>paint brush handle while the cord was wrapped around<BR>JonBenet's neck. The wrap was carefully<BR>done with the loose (short) end clipped off right<BR>at the handle. In addition, when you measure, the<BR>long extension of the cord, extends EXACTLY <BR>from the center of the handle. Too precise to have<BR>been done on the spur of the moment.<P>I believe on close examination one<BR>would find her hair wrapped around the cord a <BR>few times but not under the cord as it might appear<BR>from looking at the photos.<P>Is this of any importance; Possibly? During the <BR>crime itself the perp most likely wore gloves,<BR>however, in tying that type of knot, which I <BR>believe took a few minutes and was done<BR>sometime prior to the crime, he would have<BR>difficulty doing while wearing gloves. When<BR>he made the tight wrap of the cord, he would<BR>have to hold the paint brush handle with <BR>pressure from his thumb. That means there <BR>is the slight possibility that there is a latent<BR>thumb print under those wraps of cord.<BR>In addition, of course, there could be a <BR>flake or two of his skin. Another source <BR>of DNA.<P><BR>

I hope that the person who killed JonBenet will see these pictures and turn himself in. Perhaps he has a conscience after all and could do the right thing.

Lou said something to me about Patsy- He said like many of the BORGS believe, she killed JonBenet, THEN wrote the Ransom note. <P>I dont think so! She truely loved her children, and I would think, if someone kills there child as an accident, you cant think.<P>You cant drink, you cant sleep, nothing! Much less write a ransom note about beheading JonBenet etc! !Patsy loved Burke and JonBenet!<P>Summer

>They still make me feel ill when <BR>>I view them. <P><BR>

<BR>> Depth <BR>>of ligature mark: Autopsy photos show <BR>>the ligature was tightened deeply into <BR>>her neck. "That <BR>> was brutally, forcibly, <BR>>deeply dug into the furrows of <BR>>her neck. This was not an <BR>>easy strangulation. <BR>> This was a brutal <BR>