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Forum Name: Ramsey evidence
Topic ID: 4
#0, The suitcase
Posted by jameson on May-06-01 at 11:13 AM
The suitcase was kept near the bottom of the basement stairs, not in the room where the intruder. I feel it is OK to tell posters that one time when I went into the house, there was a suitcase flat against that wall. Close inspection showed that there was dust and small cobwebs going from the wall to the suitcase. It seems there was no evidence of this found on the suitcase found on the 26th. <P>Suitcase was found under the window, flat against the wall. <P>Fleet White moved it - - so in the photo we have, it is sideways.<P>Lou Smit, who has proven that he is pretty good at deciphering photographic evidence, says he sees a footprint on the suitcase and it appears to have been used as a step. The BPD says they don't see it.<P>Glass - - Smit saw a tiny piece of glass on the suitcase he feels may have fallen from the tread of the killer's footwear. Since the suitcase wasn' there before, how did that tiny bit of glass get ON the suitcase?<P><P>

#1, Inside the suitcase
Posted by jameson on May-06-01 at 11:18 AM
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<center><font size="1" color="#ff0000">LAST EDITED ON May-06-01 AT 11:20 AM (EST)</font></center><p>A pillow sham, blanket and Dr. Suess book were found inside the suitcase. The bed linen belonged to JAR and had some of his semen stains on it. <P>At some point that night, JonBenét came into contact with the material in the suitcase - fibers were found on her hand, hand ligature, on her shirt, on her vaginal area and in the body bag.<P>The CBI said those fibers were from the comforter and pillow sham.<P>Lou Smit feels that the killer may have tried to put the child in the suitcase at some point.<P>Interesting - - and means that forensic tests done on the suitcase could be very revealing. <P><BR>NEED TO SAY - - the FBI examiner says that the blanket and pillow are NOT the source of those fibers -- but they couldn't match the fibers to anything in the house and that means if the FBI is right, we have more totally unexplained fibers in some very important places.<BR>

#6, ?
Posted by Joyce on Mar-20-02 at 03:10 AM
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<BR>>At some point that night, JonBenét came <BR>>into contact with the material in <BR>>the suitcase - fibers were found <BR>>on her hand, hand ligature, on <BR>>her shirt, on her vaginal area <BR>>and in the body bag. <P>body bag? Do you mean the bag a coraner uses, or what?

#8, This seems strange to me
Posted by Joyce on Mar-20-02 at 06:20 AM
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<center><font size="1" color="#ff0000">LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-02 AT 06:22 AM (EST)</font></center><p>>LAST EDITED ON May-06-01 AT 11:20 AM (EST)A <BR>>pillow sham, blanket and Dr. Suess <BR>>book were found inside the suitcase. <BR>> The bed linen belonged to <BR>>JAR and had some of his <BR>>semen stains on it. <BR>>At some point that night, JonBenét came <BR>>into contact with the material in <BR>>the suitcase - fibers were found <BR>>on her hand, hand ligature, on <BR>>her shirt, on her vaginal area <BR>>and in the body bag. <BR>>The CBI said those fibers were from <BR>>the comforter and pillow sham. <BR>>Lou Smit feels that the killer may <BR>>have tried to put the child <BR>>in the suitcase at some point. <BR>><BR>>Interesting - - and means that forensic <BR>>tests done on the suitcase could <BR>>be very revealing. <BR>> NEED TO SAY - - the <BR>>FBI examiner says that the blanket <BR>>and pillow are NOT the source <BR>>of those fibers -- but they <BR>>couldn't match the fibers to anything <BR>>in the house and that means <BR>>if the FBI is right, we <BR>>have more totally unexplained fibers in <BR>>some very important places. <P><BR>I just read on an archived thread where you mentioned that one thing stood out as very strange whether regardless if it was either a parent or an intruder. You said you wouldn't mention it but here is one of the anomolies I see. <P>The normally unused suitcase is what is strange to me. Since the suitcase was in a position to be used as a step, and it seemed as if there were fibers from inside it on JBR (even tho I read now the FBI said they wern't the same), I would say the perp put the items inside of it. But why? It doesn't make any sense unless he had intended on taking it (and her) someplace, and of course the note doesnt reflect that. A pillow sham, a blanket and a kids book. In the suitcase sat by the window. <P>Of course had the perp been orginally trying to make it look like it was a put-up kidnapping job, he could have first put those things in the suitcase left by the window and then forgot about them later when he changed his mind. There is no indication that he wrote the RN note in ONE sitting, is there? In fact I seem to remember something about the style 'changing' someplace, almost as if it HAD been written in more than one sitting. That was my thought at the time however the part about the style changing might have meant WITHIN a sentance or paragraph rather than from one page to the next. And of course since there are many pages missing, who knows that that WAS the first note written? The perp may have actually been there a long time after she was dead although I doubt it.<P>We imagine the perp went out the basement window because of the grating sound heard by a neighbor, but if so then why was the butler door "open"? If there was a door "open" then why did the perp have to go through a basement window??? Or did the grate make noise and he then heard something outside which led him to beleive that someone 'out there' might have seen him had he have gone that way, thus he left by some other means?<P>That word "open" gets me sometimes because I wonder if they mean "open" as in the door is standing open, or "open" as in it was shut but unlocked? When I hear "open" I think of it as the door is standing open; not shut all the way; something like that.<P>Another thing I wonder about is the time of year and the open things. If there was a window with a broken out place in it and it was still broken out in the winter time and open besides, wouldn't that make that part of the basement ice cold? Especially since cold air flows down. And if the butler door was actually standing open rather than just unlocked, that too would've made the house cold and someone should have known it before then.

#2, Fleet White,
Posted by Shera on May-06-01 at 05:25 PM
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this poor guy is guilty of trying to be a friend. Didn't use his head and moved stuff around, "missed the body" when he searched the house, and made Burkes bed.<P>Probably, the people he stayed with bombarded him with questions and pretty much forced him to leave their homes or gave him an "untrusting" attitude to make him "feel" uncomfortable.<P>How many of us as friends would know how to act if called in to comfort a friend under these circumstances?<P>How many of us have friends that are really brilliant people but dummies with the common sense things? I know a few.<P><P>

#3, Jameson
Posted by WhiteWolf on May-07-01 at 09:52 AM
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Do you know which Dr. Suess book was in the suitcase? If the book belonged to the Ramseys, was it kept in JonBenet's bedroom or the playroom?

#4, no
Posted by jameson on May-07-01 at 10:53 AM
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no information on the book. Sorry. I think the family doesn't know that.

#5, photo
Posted by jameson on May-16-01 at 10:00 PM
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<img src="http://www.jameson245.com/suitcase.jpg";>

#7, Sorry
Posted by Joyce on Mar-20-02 at 03:12 AM
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<center><font size="1" color="#ff0000">LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-02 AT 03:19 AM (EST)</font></center><p>just saw them; cute little Japanise dolls on the shelf to the right - by the tape dispenser. Couldn't resist. Am reading older threads this morning.<P>But HOW on earth could anyone think that a girl would fit into that suitcase? It doesn't really look that large.