<BR> Cina L. Wong, B.C.D.E. <P> Court Qualified Board Certified Document Examiner<BR> 1131 Granby St. Norfolk VA 23510 U.S.A <BR> (757) 622-9606 fax,622-9585<BR> E-mail: NOFORGERY@aol.com<P><BR> Mr. Darnay Hoffman, Atty.<BR> 210 West 70th Street Suite 209<BR> New York NY 10023 <P> November 14, 1997 <P> Dear Mr. Hoffman: <P> Pursuant to your request, I have examined certain materials and documents consisting of the<BR> following: <P> Questioned Document: (Copy) <P> Q1: <BR> Three page handprinted "ransom" note. Begins with "Mr. Ramsey,..." and ends with "Victory! S,B.T.C."<BR> It contains 67 lines. Probably disguised writing. <P> Standards Used for Comparison/Exemplars (Unrehearsed writing by Pasty Ramsey ): [Copies) <P> S1: <BR> Two page letter addressed to "Miss Kit..." Dated "Wednesday, June 4. <P> S2: <BR> A greeting card pre-printed with "Wishing you a bright and beautiful holiday season." Begins with "Hi<BR> Bob!" and ends with "Love, Patsy, John & Family." <P> S3:<BR> Color photocopy of a photographed sign "Welcome to the Northwest Territory," Has green holly leaves<BR> and red berries pointed on the cardboard-brown sign. Lettering is in white. <P> S4: <BR> Color photocopy of a photographed box with "Ramsey" written in the lower right corner. <P> S5:<BR> Color photocopy of a photo with four children. Printed at base of photo "Rainbow Fish Players". <P> S6: <BR> Color photocopy of a photo-scrapbook with handprinting: "This me when I was first born. That's my<BR> Mom and the doctor." "I was 1½ I'm having a picture taken." "I was 2. 1 was going bike riding with<BR> my Mom and my Dad". <P> S7: <BR> Round metal button with handprinting, "Hello... I'm Marilyn Monroe-". <P> Ramsey Handwriting Report <P> In this preliminary opinion, over 30 points of similarity between the QD (Questioned Document =<BR> "Ransom Note") and SI-S7 (Exemplars) are noted in detail. <P> Original documents were not available for examination. <P> Areas that could not be reviewed for analysis were the speed, pressure and actual size of the<BR> writings. <P> Though copies were examined, there was enough information available through pattern recognition<BR> techniques to form an opinion. <P> The term "closely matches" in this report refers to a "match" of letter(s), word(s) or the described, as<BR> in the range of a writer's normal writing variations. <P> Distinct Appearances Between the "Ransom" Note and Exemplars of Patsy Ramsey <P> The "R" is open to the left in the "Ramsey" written in S4, closely matches the "R" of "Ramsey" in line 1<BR> of the QD. <P> The "D" in S1 has an extended stroke to the upper left in the word "Dear" which closely matches the<BR> "D" of "Don't" in line 62 of the QD. <P> The tendency of an extended stroke which is mentioned in the previous paragraph, can also be found<BR> in the letter "R" in "Ramsey" of S4 and in the "R" of "Ramsey" in Line 1 of the QD. <P> The final downstroke in the letter "m" in "Welcome" of S3 closely matches the "M" in "Mr" In Line 1 of<BR> the QD. <P> The "se" connection in S4 closely matches the repetitive "se" connections found in Line 23, 36 and 64<BR> of the QD. <P> The formation (especially the upward ending stroke) of the "l" in "Welcome" in S3 closely matches the<BR> "l's" in Line 10, 51, and 53 of the QD. <P> The formation of the upward ending stroke of the "t's" in S3 closely matches the "t's" in Line 14, 16,<BR> and 40 (to name just a few) of the QD. <P> The formation of the upward ending stroke of the "i" on page 2 of S1 (word "pix"), closely matches<BR> the "i's" in Line 7 ("time"), 13, 19 ("in"), and 33 of the QD. <P> The connection of the horizontal stroke of the letter "A" shown in S4 closely matches the horizontal<BR> attachment of "A" to "n" in the word "Any" in line 29 of the QD. <P> The low placement of the "t-bar" in relation to the "h" in the word "Northwest" in S3 matches the low<BR> placement of the "t-bar" in "th" words in lines 6, 14 and 16 of the QD. <P> Occasionally, where the "t" is connected to a letter "h," the stem of the "h" is higher that the stem of<BR> the "t". This is shown in S1, page 2 Lines 5 and 8, it appears to be of the same form according to the<BR> copy of the QD. <P> The dot of the exclamation point drops below the baseline on page 2 of Sl, matching the position it<BR> falls below the baseline after the word "Victory" on page 3 of the QD. <P> The oversized "c" in "crash course" and "contenders" in S1 closely matches the oversized "c" of<BR> "carefully" in line 2 of the QD. <P> The "W" with the larger opening to the left, and a smaller opening to the right in the "Wlsll found in<BR> Si, page 2 line 5 ("would') and in S5 the word "rainbow" matches the "WI' in "Well of Line 2 of the QD.<P> The formation and combination of "ce" mimic each other (Ilc" appears to -be a 'a" and the "e" appears<BR> to be a NN cll), This is shown in SI Line 5 "performance,, which closely matches "deceive,, in Line 48<BR> and "enforcement" in Line 49 of the QD. <P> *The capital "All to "n" horizontal connective stroke in S4 is similar to the "A" to 'In" connective<BR> stroke in Line 29 of the QD, <P> *The formation and indentation (appears at 11:00) in the letter 'loll in Sl page 2 Line I word "to"<BR> matches the 'loll in "to" of Line 37 of the QD. <P> *The shape of the "o" with a point at the top of S3 in the word "to" and in the word "rainbow" of S5<BR> closely matches the "ols" found in Line 40, 44 and 52 of the QD. <P> *The observation that both the Standards and the QD have a combination of @- Ily" final strokes<BR> where the stroke ends in a straight vertical-like line without a loop, or a stroke that continues to the<BR> left forming a curve. <P> Examples of the vertical-like ending can be found in S2 "family," and in S4 which closely matches the<BR> "y's" in "try" Line 47 and in "try" of Line 52 of the QD. <P> Examples of the curved ending stroke is in S3 "territory" and S7 of "Marilyn" which is similar to the Ily"<BR> in 'money" of line 43, but more so, matches with the curved ending strokes of many of the letter "g's"<BR> found throughout the QD. <P> *Spaces between lines of writing appear to "tangle" when lower strokes of letters collide with tops of<BR> letters from a sentence below. This "tangling" can be seen in Sl page 2 Lines 5 and 6, and in lines 10,<BR> 11 and 12. These examples closely match Lines 34 and 35, 39 and 40, and 55 and 56 in the QD. <P> *The I'M" in S7 "Ilrp." closely matches the "M" in Line I of "Mr." in the QD. Soth "Mls" have pointed<BR> tops, and a @rved ending stroke. <P> *The left margin slowly pulls left ward towards the base of the page in Si and S2, which closely<BR> match the margins in the QD, <P> *The first paragraph after the salutation starts with in a range of the second word of the salutation.<BR> The example in SI and S2 closely match the first page of the QD. <P> *The upper portion of the "SI is written with a smaller area of space ("pinched" in appearance and<BR> sometimes with an angle), as opposed to the final curve of the IS" which is formed larger. Example<BR> can be seen in S3 "Northwest" and in S5 in " Fish Players." This closely matches the "s" located in<BR> Line 8 in "She", 14 in "bills", and 16 in "size,, of the QD, <P> *The curved stem of the lowercase "cl" in S6 "an(i," "doctor" and Dad" mzltches the 'Id" in Lirie 26<BR> "delivery," and in 31 "daughter," of the Qr). <P> *The baseline of a writing is an "imaginary" line or given line (if ruled paper) on which one writes their<BR> sentences on. When measured, the words in the exemplars show that some words "rise" above and<BR> some words "fall" below the baseline. If a ruler is placed under the sentences written in the QD, one<BR> can also see this repetitive pattern of "rising" and "falling" words. <P> *In the exemplars as well as the Qr), the spacing between words appear greater than average. <P> *The letters "r" and "oll have a tendency to touch together as in S7 "Monroe" which closely matches<BR> example in Line 19 "brown" and in 21 "tomorrow" of the QD. <P> *The slant of the letters in the printed exemplars of Patsy Ramsey (S3, 85,and S6) reflects the over<BR> all vertical slant which is presented in the QD (more evident in the last parts of the QD where writing<BR> is 1888 controlled), <P> *The formation of the exclamation points in SI page I line 13 SI page 2, (last exclamation point)after<BR> the word "back," in S2 line 6 after the word "ball" closely matches the exclamation point in Line 66 of<BR> the QD. <P> It shows the tendency for the initial stroke of the exclamation to have a left ward curve, causing it<BR> to have a bending effect <P> *The uniquely formed comma on Sl page 1 line 2,veers to the left, and finishes by curving to the<BR> right. This comma matches the unique formed comma found in Line 13 number "$100,000" of the QD, <P> *Untisuall@, formed portion of the letter lb." The second curved stroke of the "b's" contains an point<BR> in the 12:00 to 1:00 position. This "pointed bl' can be seen in SS "Rainbow" and matches Line 18<BR> ")Dring," and 19 "bag" of the QD. <P> Items to be examined if additional exemplars are available. <P> General shared characteristics in both the Standards and the QD are the tendency for letter like "t's"<BR> and "s's" to connect to a following letter. <P> Would like to see original exemplars to measure spacing of letters. <P> Would like to see original exemplars to measure size of letters and writing <P> Looking for "re" combos that run together. <P> Looking for "rivers" in writing caused by the large spacing in words. "Rivers" appear in the QD and in<BR> small amounts in the exemplars. <P> In writing where a person has the tendency (at times) to make apostrophes and quotations in<BR> reverse, commas are also in reverse, as the one seen in Line 1 and 15 of the QD. <P> Any of these observations will not be able to stand alone as evidence, but it is as a "collective whole"<BR> they represent a repetitive pattern which not only exists in the QD but also in the examined<BR> exemplars alleged written by Patsy Ramsey. <P> Based upon preliminary analysis of these items, and from an application of forensic document<BR> examination principles and techniques, it is my professional opinion, that the hand that authored the<BR> known Standards for Comparison as Patsy Ramsey appears to be very likely the same hand that<BR> authored the Questioned Document "Ransom Note". <P> It is requested that an examination of the original documents and any additional document relating to<BR> this case be available. <P> This opinion is based on copies alleged to be true representatives of the original document. <P> Summary Section <P> It is quite rare for a Document Examiner to quantify degrees of certainty on a numerical scale. But,<BR> for the purposes of allowing a general understanding of my results, I have designated a rating of<BR> probability based on a scale of 1-10. <P> It is my preliminary opinion, given the multitude of similarities linking the Questioned Document to the<BR> exemplars, that the probability these documents were written by the same hand is 8.5 on this scale. <P> It is not uncommon for some people to have 2 or 4 of the similar characteristics I have listed, since<BR> they may have learned to write in the same "copybook" method in grade school. <P> The relatively large number of distinctive similarities (32) found in both the "ransom note" and<BR> exemplars allegedly written by Patsy Ramsey, however, cannot be ignored. <P> Statistically, it can only be concluded that it is very likely the same hand wrote all the documents<BR> involved. <P> If further information or assistance is desired, please advise. <P> Sincerely,<BR> Cina L. Wong, B.C.D.E<BR> (Board Certified Document Examiner) <P> AFFIDAVIT OF CINA L. WONG <P> STATE OF VIRGINIA<BR> NORFOLK COUNTY<BR> CINA L. WONG, being duly sworn, deposes and says: <P> 1. I am a court qualified and board certified forensic handwriting expert. My qualifications are<BR> attached to the end of this affidavit. <P> 2. My office is located at 1131 Granby Street, Norfolk Virginia. <P> 3. I have testified in various courts of law as an expert witness in the area of handwriting<BR> identification and forensic document examination. <P> 4. I have made careful examination and comparison of the "ransom" note and the exemplars of Patsy<BR> Ramsey. I have reached the conclusion that the handwritings and "ransom" note were very probably<BR> written by the same person. <P> 5. An examination of the available exemplars of Patsy Ramsey show that there are significant areas of<BR> comparison and similarity with those of the "ransom" note. <P> 6. Attached to this affidavit will be a preliminary report of my results. <P> 7. This opinion is based on copies of Patsy Ramsey's exemplars alleged to be true representatives of<BR> the original document. <P> 8. The number- of exemplars were limited, and it is the opinion of this affiant that additional<BR> exemplars be provided as well the original ransom note in order to more firmly confirm the opinions of<BR> this affidavit and the accompanying report. <P> 9. Nevertheless, in light of the many similarities between the "ransom" note and Patsy Ramsey's<BR> exemplars, it is my professional opinion that Patsy Ramsey very likely wrote the "ransom" note. <P> Dated: November 13, 1997.<BR> (SIGNATURE OF CINA WONG)<BR> CINA L. WONG, B.C.D.E.<BR> STATE OF VIRGINIA:<BR> Sworn to and subscribed before me this day of 13th day of November, 1997.<BR> (SIGNATURE OF NOTARY)<BR> NOTARY PUBLIC<BR> My Commission expires August 31, 2001.

Cina wrote, "I have examined certain materials and documents consisting of the following: <BR> Questioned Document: (Copy) <BR>Q1: Three page handprinted "ransom" note. Begins with "Mr. Ramsey,..." and ends with "Victory! S,B.T.C." It contains 67 lines. Probably disguised writing. <BR> <P>Standards Used for Comparison/Exemplars (Unrehearsed writing by Pasty Ramsey ): [Copies) <P><BR>Original documents were not available for examination. <BR> <BR>Areas that could not be reviewed for analysis were the speed, pressure and actual size of the writings. <P>Would like to see original exemplars to measure spacing of letters. Would like to see original exemplars to measure size of letters and writing <P>Based upon preliminary analysis of these items, and from an application of forensic document examination principles and techniques, it is my professional opinion, that the hand that authored the known Standards for Comparison as Patsy Ramsey appears to be very likely the same hand that authored the Questioned Document "Ransom Note". <P><BR>It is requested that an examination of the original documents and any additional document relating to this case be available. This opinion is based on copies alleged to be true representatives of the original document. <P><BR><b>Cina couldn't be sure that all the samples were from Patsy - - there was a problem in comparing cursive samples with the printing of the RN. Cina and the others wanted to be part of this case and knew they did NOT have enough samples of Patsy's printint to work with. I personally think it was very unprofessional of them to jump up and say - - PATSY DID IT! <P>I think they should have to go to court and admit how all this happened - - they need to be exposed. <BR>Is this American justice? People can accuse and point fingers - not just be theorizing but accusing? Aren't "experts" to be held to a higher standard than that?<P>AARGHHH! </b><P>Summary Section <BR>> It is quite rare for a Document Examiner to quantify degrees of certainty on a numerical scale. But, for the purposes of allowing a general understanding of my results, I have designated a rating of probability based on a scale of 1-10. It is my preliminary opinion, given the multitude of similarities linking the Questioned Document to the exemplars, that the probability these documents were written by the same hand is 8.5 on this scale. <P><BR> It is not uncommon for some people to have 2 or 4 of the similar characteristics I have listed, since they may have learned to write in the same "copybook" method in grade school. The relatively large number of distinctive similarities (32) found in both the "ransom note" and exemplars allegedly written by Patsy Ramsey, however, cannot be ignored. Statistically, it can only be concluded that it is very likely the same hand wrote all the documents involved. <P><BR><b>I think Cina Wong looks very bad as someone who made sweeping accusations based on inadequate samples. The handwritten notes by Patsy are not printing. The photo album is interesting - - if Patsy wrote the entries. And who knows who made the marilyn Monroe badge. I don't!

Cina Wong, like Miller, certainly appears to be a credible document examiner. And she deems that Patsy "very probably" wrote the ransom note, based on a multitude of criteria. Yes, this is very weighty evidence in my opinion. From your above post, Jams, you obviously are trying to find fault with her. You are shamlessly biased toward the Ramseys. The jury won't be.

handwriting analysis is only opinion...there are just as many handwriting experts that say Patsy didn't write this note or was of very low probability. These experts include the CBI and FBI experts that did the analysis for the BPD along with experts hired by the Ramseys lawyers.<P>The 'jury' would have ALL these opinions...but the fact is unless these 'experts' ALL agreed as to who the writer was...and they ALL checked several pages written by other suspects and people that were not on any suspect lists like cops, etc....and this was done without their knowing up front whos handwriting they were examining...then thse tests are bogus. Preconceived theories of the examiners in ALL cases would be brought into question.

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So what if Cina Wong endorses writing pens as a second job? I would imagine examining documents isn't a 24/7 type of job. The pen company certainly must think Cina Wong is an impressive document examiner if they hired her, over all other document examiners, to endorse their product. Think about that!

As with Liebman's report (see my comments on that thread) this to shows signs of rank amateurishness. I'm speaking not as a professional doc. examiner, but a professional scholar and scientist. One cannot simply, out of the blue, decide on ones own methodology and standards. These must be based on previous research, either ones own or that of others. Sources of methodology and standards must be cited. Explanations of methodology and standards must be provided.<P>Wong, like Liebman, also falls into the trap of confusing a crooked xerox with margin drift. This is laughable, folks. No excuse for such an error.<P>Her notion of "statistics" is particularly embarrassing, as in the following:<P>"The relatively large number of distinctive similarities (32) found in both the "ransom note" and exemplars allegedly written by Patsy Ramsey, however, cannot be ignored. Statistically, it can only be concluded that it is very likely the same hand wrote all the documents<BR>involved."<P>The "statistics" cited here are absurd. Assuming she had twice as many exemplars to work with, then we can assume she'd have found around 62 similarities. If she had hundreds of exemplars to work with, we can assume there would have been thousands of similarities. So how does the number "32" come to be a "relatively large number"? This number is the product of the size of the sample (and the resourcefullness of the examiner), clearly, and has little other significance. A percentage figure is appropriate here, NOT an absolute number.<P><P>

DocG, you've piqued my interest. What on earth is a "professional scholar"? I'm impressed!

I think you're Wong on this one.

DocG - You said, "One cannot simply, out of the blue, decide on ones own methodology and standards.<P><BR>Tell that to Donald Foster, will you please?<BR>And Steve Thomas too!<P>I think Wong and Miller did this handwriting stuff as a "hobby" - I don't think they can stand next to the Osborns...<P>Remember this?<P><img src="http://www.jameson245.com/hoffmanfax1.jpg";> <P>I think that Miller, Wong, Liebman and the others are all in this because they want to be associated with this case - - not because they really have "the answer".<P><BR>The scary question here is - - <BR>if they ARE serious - - and qualified and all that - - then why aren't the Boulder authorities checking on this stuff?<P><BR>I keep going back to that - - the Boulder authorities just are doing NOTHING!

I'm totally with you as far as Foster and Thomas are concerned.<P>I think you're wrong, though, about the Boulder police doing nothing. That's very unfair. There HAS been a concerted effort to deal with every *viable* suspect. But where can it end? In your mind, everyone with Hi Tec boots, a stun gun, or an attitude problem is a suspect. With such "suspects" coming out of the woodwork, it's impossible for any law enforcement agency to keep up.<P>My own feeling is: 1. yes, there are all sorts of people who might *possibly* have done this crime; 2. but no, it's in fact very un*likely* there was any sort of intruder at all; 3. before we go off on a wild goose chase after every single wierdo who ever lived in the vicinity of the state of Colorado, it makes much more sense to stick with the obvious suspect, one who was in the house at the time, who strenuously resisted all efforts to have his wife questioned in his absence, who has provided contradictory accounts of what happened, who refused a lie detector test and then lied about it, who was so paranoid about the handwriting on the note he hired his own experts to rule him out, who, if guilty, would have had the perfect motive to write a note like the ransom note as a means of covering his crime and holding off the police till he could get rid of the body.

I still have contacts close to the Boulder investigation and there is evidence that any "investigating" going on is half-hearted and 99% "for show."<P>Boulder wants this to die. Keenan isn't doing anything to jumpstart the dying investigation. We need a special investigator.<P>When someone new gets the case, he will be handed a dozen really interesting files - - leads that should be thoroughly and carefully checked. I don't think too many are interested in giving the leads to the BPD so they can "not follow" them.<P>I offered them some DNA - - it still waits - - but they want it only if they have permission to ignore it. i will hold onto it untill a special investigator takes the case - - maybe he will be honest about following ALL good leads - - the BPD, sadly, doesn't want to see new leads, nevermind follow them.<P><P><P>

,b>3. before we go off on a wild<BR> goose chase after every single wierdo who ever lived in the vicinity of the state of Colorado, it makes<BR> much more sense to stick with the obvious suspect, one who was in the house at the time, who<BR> strenuously resisted all efforts to have his wife questioned in his absence, who has provided<BR> contradictory accounts of what happened, who refused a lie detector test and then lied about it,<BR> who was so paranoid about the handwriting on the note he hired his own experts to rule him out,<BR> who, if guilty, would have had the perfect motive to write a note like the ransom note as a means of<BR> covering his crime and holding off the police till he could get rid of the body.</b><P>It isn't his handwriting - it isn't his DNA, he had no motive and there is NOTHING in his history that indicates he would do this.<P>I say look at others who were in Boulder that night (had opportunity) who have a history of violent crimes, sexual dysfunction and interest in bondage and true crimes.<P>They focused on the ramseys for 4 1/2 years. Time to focus on the killer.<P>

>It isn't his handwriting<P>Pardon me? I don't think you've been paying attention. You are categorically rejecting the findings of 6 experts who claim Patsy wrote the note, but you accept with NO question whatsoever the findings of 4 experts (2 hand picked by John) who have ruled him out. Please explain.<P>>- it isn't <BR>>his DNA,<P>give me a break . . . <P>>he had no motive<P>There is absolutely no basis for that statement, no more than the statement that he DID have a motive. There is at this point no way of telling whether he had a motive or not. We do know that fathers with a similar background and no prior history of sexual deviation have been known to molest their young daughters.<BR> <BR>>and there is NOTHING in his <BR>>history that indicates he would do <BR>>this. <P>That is certainly true. True also of many convicted murderers.<P>>I say look at others who were <BR>>in Boulder that night (had opportunity) <BR>>who have a history of violent <BR>>crimes, sexual dysfunction and interest in <BR>>bondage and true crimes.<P>Jameson, you want them to investigate any and every person with any sort of question mark in his history. The police have to proceed on some sort of logical basis, they cannot waste valuable civic resources on a series of wild goose chases. The investigation points very strongly to an insider, NOT an intruder. This is where they have, very logically, focused their attention. They have also looked very closely at a long list of other possibles and come up empty.<P>>They focused on the ramseys for 4 <BR>>1/2 years. Time to focus <BR>>on the killer. <P>They have focused on Patsy. YOU have focused on Patsy. John has been given pretty much a free ride. IMO, if they are going to redirect their efforts, they must start with a fresh, hard, look at John Ramsey.<P><P><BR>

Doc G, instead of sitting around writing a note <BR>to give them "time" to get rid of the body, why wouldn't they put the body in their car, drive<BR>it the short distance to a mountain snow drift and dispose of the body. <P>Doc, it was a very big(15 room) house and it was combed from top to bottom trying to find ANY other place that duct tape was used. They thought they had found another piece on the back of a picture in JonBenet's room but is was not from the same roll.<BR>The police knew it was not the first time that tape had been used because it had been cut on both ends. There would be no way either John or Patsy could know if the domestic help had used some of the roll. That is a very strong piece of physical<BR>evidence that an intruder brought that tape with him. The same thing applies to the cord but it <BR>would be a stronger possibility that all the remaining cord could have been disposed of outside the home because cord is not used as often as duct <BR>tape.

the three charts Cina Wong did on the letter comparisons are enough to hang Patsy in any jury's mind. Killer evidence (pun intended).<P>ACR has the charts archived here - <BR><a href="http://www.acandyrose.com/11141997cinawonganalysis.htm";>http://www.acandyrose.com/11141997cinawonganalysis.htm<;/a>

Would you want to convict a person on those charts not even knowing for sure that the samples were from Patsy? You would believe your own eyes and ignore the handwriting experts who say the probability that she wrote the note are slim to none? <P>Are you going to ignore the unmatched DNA, hairs, cord, tape, the missing stun gun?<P>I hope when you stand accused of something, you get a more impartial juror than you are suggesting you are.<P>

>Doc G, instead of sitting around writing <BR>>a note to give them <BR>>"time" to get rid of the <BR>>body, why wouldn't they put the <BR>>body in their car, drive it <BR>>the short distance to a mountain <BR>>snow drift and dispose of the <BR>>body. <P>First, I don't believe it was a "they." I think the most likely suspect is John, as a solo act. Attempting to dump the body that night would have been extremely dangerous for him, as you can imagine. If anyone had spotted him leaving the house, if anyone had spotted his car near the point where the body was dumped, if Patsy had awaked and found both him and JonBenet gone, any of these would have spelled certain disaster.<P>>Doc, it was a very big(15 room) <BR>>house and it was combed from <BR>>top to bottom trying to find <BR>>ANY other place that duct tape <BR>>was used.<P>The question of the "rest" of the tape and the "rest" of the cord is a nonissue for me. There were large piles of leftover wrapping materials in the house that night. I think both the tape and the cord were such leftovers. The killer in all likelihood used it all up.<BR>

is Ms. Wong's mathematical skills!<P>>> It is quite rare for a Document Examiner to quantify degrees of certainty on a numerical scale. But, for the purposes of allowing a general understanding of my results, I have designated a rating of probability based on a scale of<b> 1-10</b>. It is my preliminary opinion, given the multitude of similarities linking the Questioned Document to the exemplars, that the probability these documents were written by the same hand is <b><i>8.5</b></i> on this scale. >><P>Unless she is using a converse 1-10???? I normally see the scientific form of 1-10 meaning 1 is the utmost and 10 is the least, just as the formerly reported 1 is a match and 5 is a non-match. Alpha-Omega....<P>Is anyone sure that Ms. Wong ever did this before? I would think that she would be familiar with the standard of ratings used by professionals.<BR>`