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#0, Thru yonder window breaks
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Nov-08-02 at 06:14 PM
Lou Smit - You know its been said that only a midget can get down into that window well, well I'm no midget and I'll show you
how easy that can be done.
(Smit goes in through the window)


A pane of glass was broken in the basement window found (and photographed by police) open on that morning. The pane had been broken back in the late summer by John Ramsey when he accidentally locked himself out, and it had not been repaired. John reached through, unlatched the window, opened it, and came into the house.

Smit believes that the intruder came through that same window, taking advantage of the broken pane to be able to unlock the window easily. Smit also believes the intruder moved the suitcase, which was stored across the basement by the stairs, under the window to facilitate an exit through the same window if needed or desired.

It really wasn't that difficult coming in that window. And often a burglar or an intruder - if they find a safe way in they also figure
it'll be a safe way out. And if you remember, there was a suitcase that was right underneath this window. And if he figures that
he has to go out this window he may think it would be much easier if he has something to stand on. On top of this suitcase was a
very small tiny pea sized piece of glass which may have been picked up by a person's shoe. And a faint impression of possibly a
footprint on the suitcase. And that suggests very strongly to me that perhaps someone did stand on that suitcase at one point,
perhaps to go out the window or perhaps just to test to see if he could go out that window.

Now I can't say for sure if an intruder went through that window, but also we cannot just disregard it and say that he did not come
through that window.

There are posters who scoff at Smit's entry through the window, as if it should have been 4 feet wide and 4 feet high or some such dimension. The window is small, but it's of sufficient size for grown men to go in and out of it. A suitcase placed under the window makes it easier to exit, but isn't needed for entry.

Very early in this case, rumors were that the window was too small for an adult to climb through. A magazine article about 9 months after the murder made this claim, quoting a Boulder person related to the case as saying "a midget couldn't get through that window". That simply was not true, as has been demonstrated many times by many different people, including jameson who was given access to the house on 2 different occasions.


#1, Thru yonder window breaks
Posted by DonBradley on Nov-08-02 at 06:55 PM
In response to message #0
>Very early in this case, rumors were that the window was too
>small for an adult to climb through. A magazine article
>about 9 months after the murder made this claim, quoting a
>Boulder person related to the case as saying "a midget
>couldn't get through that window".
Which makes you wonder why Truth went out the window quite so early! Just who was it who was feeding so much information to Vanity Fair and why? Surely the cops knew the truth about the window, surely some of them had already tried it too.


#2, DonBradley
Posted by Guppy on Nov-14-02 at 07:22 AM
In response to message #1
> Just who was it who was feeding so much information to Vanity Fair and why?

While looking through my JBR VHS tapes for the Court TV special, I found an interesting comment by Alex Hunter. When asked about the leaks, he said he had received a letter of apology from Koby for information that had reached the press from the BPD. After being pressed a bit by the interviewer about the apology, Hunter said, in his own inimitable fashion, "there may have been one" cop who was leaking to the press.

I can't imagine who that might have been...


#3, Oh! but I can imagine!
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Nov-14-02 at 10:47 AM
In response to message #2
More than imagine! Steve Thomas was enamored of his new role as a lead detective and was flattered that media wanted his input. So ST is the one, I think, put out to the media, and Vanity Fair in particular.

Not to mention to Jeffrey Shapiro of the tabloid!!


#4, RE: Oh! but I can imagine!
Posted by jameson on Nov-14-02 at 11:08 AM
In response to message #3
Steve Thomas admits in his deposition that he was the leak to Vanity Fair.

I think he did more than leak, I think he lied.


#5, Linguistics (and not Fosters)
Posted by Maikai on Nov-14-02 at 11:25 PM
In response to message #4
easily identify who the leaker is. There are direct quotes in the Vanity Fair Article from the "unnamed" source. The same quotes--almost verbatim were recited by none other than Steve Thomas on various TV shows. They were posted a long time ago on a thread.

I wonder why he really resigned. Was he given an ultimatum? Resign or be fired? And isn't it interesting that the cops hid behind their union when Koby wanted them to take lie detector tests to determine who the snitch was.

Also notice how quickly and publically Alex Hunter distanced himself from ST after the book was published. Alex did not like publicity--there was a reason he appeared on TV to slam Thomas when the book came out. Remaining silent would indicate support of ST---Alex quickly came out and voiced his objections in strong criticism of ST.

ST's campaign worked to a certain extent---the Governor at the time couldn't take the media pressure after ST resigned, and the Grand Jury was called---a waste of $2M, IMO.


#6, Maikai
Posted by Guppy on Nov-15-02 at 11:42 PM
In response to message #5
> the Governor at the time couldn't take the media pressure after ST resigned, and the Grand Jury was called---

Yep, and the Governor's involvement put real pressure on Hunter. If the Governor would have named a Special Prosecutor, Hunter would have been relegated to the sidelines right in the middle of the biggest case of his career. In order to avoid that, he brought in Kane and a bunch of other prosecutors to show the Governor that no stone would be left unturned in pursuit of "the killers". I hate to say it, but in a way one could say Alex Hunter sold his soul to the Governor - oops, I mean the devil - to avoid public humiliation by having the case taken away from him.