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#0, Should Thomas be believed?
Posted by jameson on Apr-14-02 at 03:17 PM
I say no.<P>He wrote a book, told everyone he welcomed a lawsuit - he would defend those words in court. But when the lawsuit came, when he was about to be deposed, he did NOT go forward but he and his publishers settled with the Ramseys for an undisclosed amount of money.<P>His book is full of lies, he knew it, we all know it.<P>He used witnesses who were not credible as the source of several bits or misinformation. Had he gone to court all that would have been exposed.<P>Here is an old post by Frank Coffman. It has to do with Steve Thomas' book and a story from Judith Phillips. It is one of many examples of "problems" with ST's book.<P>~~~~~~~~~~<P><i>A post... <BR>10 . "uncorroborated stories" <BR>Posted by MaskedMan on May-04-00 at 11:19 AM (EST) <BR>Steve Thomas presents many unsourced and uncorroborated stories. <P>On page 5, he presents the improbable story that JonBenet was chilly at a restaurant, but Patsy wouldn't let her put on a jacket<BR>because "You're still on show." Steve Thomas didn't identify his source, but I know that this is one of Judith Phillips' urban<BR>legends. <P>When I aksed Judith about where and when this episode happened, she said that she didn't know and that she didn't see it<BR>herself. She said someone else had seen it. I asked her, "Who saw it?" She wouldn't tell me. So, this is just an unverified<BR>third-hand rumor. <P>Judith has done this repeatedly. She's lied to me about what she supposedly knows. She would claim to have first-hand<BR>knowledge about something, but then she'd change her story when I tried to pin her down. For instance: <P>Judith told me that Priscilla White had told her that John Ramsey tried to discourage Fleet White from entering the wine cellar<BR>room on Dec. 26, 1996. I believed that story for a long time. She was the source for a story to that effect in the National<BR>Enquirer of April 1997. When I found out later that that never happened, I asked Judith how Priscilla could have been so wrong<BR>about that. Then, Judith admitted that, uh, well, she didn't hear the story directly from Priscilla, but from someone else... <P>Steve Thomas used Judith for several dubious stories. She is the anonymous "family friend" whom Steve Thomas mentions. It<BR>wouldn't occur to Steve to double-check his information, since any story unfavorable to the Ramseys is automatically true to<BR>him. Positive stories, of course, don't appear in his book. <BR></i><P>Steve Thomas has been discredited. I don't know why anyone wuld believe anything he wrote.<P>I believe those people who sent him money for his DEFENSE were robbed (fraud?). Thomas offered no defense for what he did - - he dropped out before he had to face the court.<P>Thomas can talk now - - apologize, tell the truth... but there is only silence.<P>Not even a note on the official forstevethomas.com site. The BORG there still believe in him.<P>They have the lawsuit there - - but not the documents that ended it - - they still refuse to tell the whole truth.<P>Sad.<P>

#1, Walks on Water
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-14-02 at 03:50 PM
In response to message #0
Some seem to think Steve Thomas walks on water.<P>He was a very inexperienced cop whose career had mainly consisted of narcotics busts which are not really much of an investigative challenge.<P>He apparently was being eased out of the department anyway, so he had little to lose by making use of the files to concoct a book that would sell rather than a truthful rendition.<P>Believe him? No. Not I. <BR>

#2, to ST's Angel
Posted by jameson on Apr-14-02 at 05:04 PM
In response to message #1
I just got a letter from someone claiming to be ST's Angel - I responded but the mail was returned as the address was bad. <P>The name of the email was "How dare you !!!" and she was very upset that I am not talking nice about Steve Thomas or opening the forum for public flaming.<P>This is the response she didn't get:<P><i><BR>Steve Thomas wrote a book that stated his theory - he said he would defend it in court - he got people like you to send him money so he could tell the truth and prove his case... and he bailed before he was deposed.<P>The Ramseys let the case end rather than see it carried out for YEARS. Thomas and the publishers paid the Ramseys for the naughty they did and you think that makes the Ramseys look bad?<P>Give me a break!<P>Steve Thomas walked away from JonBenét on the day he resigned. I don't know of one other thing he did to honestly bring her killer to justice. You worship the ground he walks on - - that's YOUR problem, not mine.<P>You have other forums to post on - - I haven't seen much from you. You want to post on my forum? Join. Own your words like the rest of us.<P>jameson<P><P>

#3, http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/03arams.html
Posted by jameson on Apr-14-02 at 08:08 PM
In response to message #2
Thomas plans for day in court <P> By Christopher Anderson <BR> Camera Staff Writer<P><BR> A former Boulder police detective being sued for defamation by John and<BR> Patsy Ramsey has retained the attorney who won a wrongful death civil<BR> suit against O.J. Simpson. <BR> Steve Thomas said Monday he has retained the services of Daniel<BR> Petrocelli and said he looks forward to the opportunity to "expose in a<BR> court of law what happened in the Ramsey home" the night the couple's<BR> daughter, JonBenét, was killed. <BR> Petrocelli, a trial lawyer who works for the Los Angeles law firm of<BR> O'Melveny & Myers, represented Fred Goldman in a $33.5 million<BR> wrongful-death judgment against Simpson, who was acquitted in criminal<BR> court of killing his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. <BR> On Thursday, the Ramseys filed an $80 million libel and slander lawsuit<BR> against Thomas, a publishing company, and unidentified Boulder police<BR> officers, among others. The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Atlanta. <BR> The couple's suit against Thomas alleges that his book, "JonBenét: Inside<BR> the Ramsey Murder Investigation," and subsequent media interviews on<BR> the case falsely accused Patsy Ramsey of killing her child and John<BR> Ramsey of participating in the cover-up. The book was published April 10<BR> of last year. <BR> "I stand by my convictions," Thomas said in a statement Monday, the first<BR> since the lawsuit was filed. "The Ramseys have no right to silence me or<BR> anyone else who wishes to seek the truth and speak out about this<BR> horrible tragedy of injustice." <BR> Thomas has established a hotline for supporters to donate to his legal<BR> defense. The fund is being run through Wise Communications, a Los<BR> Angeles public relations firm. <BR> Thomas was among the first detectives to formally interrogate the<BR> Ramseys about the death of their daughter. <BR> He resigned from the department Aug. 6, 1998, on what would have been<BR> the little girl's 8th birthday. <BR> In his resignation letter, Thomas expressed frustration that the Boulder<BR> County District Attorney's Office was preventing a criminal case against<BR> the couple from moving forward. <BR> JonBenét, 6, was found beaten and strangled in her family's basement<BR> home Dec. 26, 1996. <BR> John and Patsy Ramsey have remained under police suspicion, although<BR> the couple has repeatedly denied killing JonBenét. <BR> In his first comments on the lawsuit, Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner<BR> said he is not aware of anyone providing Thomas with information for the<BR> book. <BR> "Our position is it's not our issue," he said. "It's between Steve Thomas<BR> and the Ramseys." <BR> The Ramseys' attorney, Lin Wood, says the proof that officers helped with<BR> the book lies within Thomas' own author's note, which mentions<BR> "confidences." <BR> The note reads: "To certain members of the Boulder Police Department,<BR> cops who still cannot speak out publicly and who know this story too well,<BR> I appreciate your continued support and the confidences you provided me<BR> in the presentation of this book." <BR> The lawsuit refers to the unnamed officers as "John Doe" 1, 2 and 3, and<BR> "Jane Doe" 1. Wood hopes to prove who the officers are as part of<BR> discovery in the case. <BR> Wood said he is fully aware the lawsuit gives Thomas the opportunity to<BR> question the Ramseys under oath and seek other information. <BR> But he said the couple is not afraid to take the case in front of a jury,<BR> saying they have "the courage of their innocence." <BR> Contact Christopher Anderson at (303) 473-1355 or<BR> andersonc@thedailycamera.com. <BR> Camera wire services contributed to this report.<BR> April 3, 2001<P><b>First I want to say I miss Chris Anderson a lot. We were friends. When I went to Boulder he would meet with me and we would sit and talk - he had a contageous smile, a great laugh. He was a very nice guy, he was respected in life, and missed now that he is gone.<P>Then I want to say that I think he would have laughed when he learned about the lawsuit being settled. The Ramseys were deposed in Wolf - - their depositions were released unredacted. When Steve Thomas was to be deposed in Wolf he fought it - - hard. He did NOT want to talk - - but he found he had to - - and now he is fighting to keep that document sealed so no one will know just how bad it was. <P>The Ramseys were ready to be deposed again - this time by Thomas' attorneys. And Thomas was going to have to face Lin Wolf again. <P>AND HE BLOCKED IT - He and his publishers offered the Ramseys a settlement they couldn't refuse. <P>They could have held out for more - - dragged it out for years - - but this is fine. We all know that Steve Thomas was a liar - - not willing to go to court to prove his theory. He just wanted to have his theory out there. And we all know that the evidence does not prove his theory - - just the opposite, it discredits Steve Thomas totally.

#5, ST's Angel
Posted by KitKat on Apr-15-02 at 00:25 AM
In response to message #2
Where oh where is she now? Has she retired from public life as ST's spokeswoman? <BR>I wonder if she was getting paid by the keystroke?<BR>Sure would explain all the ????? and !!!!!! and Hahahahahahahaha's.

#4, Heck
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Apr-14-02 at 08:56 PM
In response to message #0
no!

#6, Jameson's booboo
Posted by Lilac on Apr-15-02 at 01:07 AM
In response to message #4
<center><font size="1" color="#ff0000">LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-02 AT 01:08 AM (EST)</font></center><p>Jameson,<P>I see in your above post that you misspelled the word "sucker" as in ST's Sucker -- why did you spell it A-N-G-E-L?<P>(wink)<P>

#7, just curious
Posted by paperdoll on Apr-15-02 at 06:19 AM
In response to message #6
what happened to Chris Anderson? Deceased or went to another newspaper?

#8, Chris Anderson
Posted by Miranda on Apr-15-02 at 07:31 AM
In response to message #7
>what happened to Chris Anderson? Deceased or <BR>>went to another newspaper?<P>He and his girlfriend were struck by lightening on a vacation to Florida. He died and his girlfriend survived.<P><BR>

#9, How awful!
Posted by paperdoll on Apr-15-02 at 08:40 AM
In response to message #8
Thanks you for responding.

#10, "Should Thomas be believed?"
Posted by Jarbo9 on Apr-15-02 at 10:35 AM
In response to message #9
Steve Thomas repeated over and over again pointless<BR>issues such as whether or not Burke came downstairs<BR>during the 911 call. He never even tries to explain<BR>why such a denial would be strategically advantageous<BR>to the the Ramseys.<P>An example of nonsense repeated throughout his book<BR>is the statement that John and Fleet searched the <BR>home starting in the basement. Linda Arndt had<BR>used the common phrase "from top to bottom".<BR>Thomas took the statement literally. <P>Thomas totally ignored experts that disagreed with<BR>his scenario. At his presentation of the evidence <BR>he thought pointed to Patsy, he only quoted the <BR>opinion of Don Foster as to whom authored the <BR>ransom note. He had contrary expert analysis <BR>from nothing less than the Secret Service, but<BR>never mentioned it. <P>He never understood that an<BR>intruder could use the tools of the crime <BR>(Paper, pen, garrote handle) as well as a <BR>family member. It's no wonder Alex Hunter<BR>never gave his opinions any credence.<P>Thomas was a detective with no experience<BR>investigating a homicide. Reading his book<BR>was worth the effort. You learn just how<BR>mediocre he was as an investigator.<BR>

#11, Thomas knew
Posted by jameson on Apr-15-02 at 10:55 AM
In response to message #10
Thomas knew what Burke had told the police - - he knew damn well that Burke was NOT on the first floor when the 911 call was made - - the child's voice simply was NOT on that tape.<P>I think he would have been forced to admit that in his deposition or on the stand in the Wolf trial - - or his own.<P>He settled his own suit - - won't have to testify there - - and I feel sure he will simply be in Germany and unavailable to testify inthe Wolf suit. But his deposition will be available in that case - - so unless Darnay Hoffman drops that suit, I think some more of the truth will come out.<P>

#12, what if?
Posted by KitKat on Apr-15-02 at 05:46 PM
In response to message #11
What if the Wolf suit gets tossed like the LHP suit?<P>Can Lin Wood make release of ST's Chris Wolf suit depo part of the settlement in the Thomas suit? <P>I know the two cases are separate and one (the Wolf suit) hasn't been tried, but theoretically speaking, Steve Thomas could have allowed his deposition to be released. We *heard* he lied his b*tt off and that's why he fought to keep it sealed.<P>IMO his credibility is shot, which makes this depo worth something to me. Since he doesn't have sufficient money to pay the piper, isn't it fair of Wood to ask him to pay in the only currency Thomas has left - his lies under oath in the Wolf suit?