I still would have enjoyed an analysis by Dave. By ignoring it others may think Dave is stumped.

Do you know who Bontia is? Have you spoken to her?

>I still would have enjoyed an analysis by Dave. By ignoring
>it others may think Dave is stumped.
>
>Do you know who Bontia is? Have you spoken to her?

Not ignoring the graph would have been foolish. It deserved no notice. Leave that silliness there.

Yes, I know who Bonita is, and no, I have not spoken to her - no reason to - what could be accomplished? Leave that to Lin and her employers - if they care.

I'm ba-a-ack!

What's this? SPADE IS NANCY KREB'S STEP UNCLE? Whoa, she had a bad enough deal with Macky Boykin the drunken rapist as a step uncle. I noticed, too, that Spade, is also known as JONBENET'S ANGEL ON EARTH by the Queen Bee of fools for justice, heh. That woman is gloriously stoopid.

Didn't Spade say that Nancy's mother Gwen asked him to spread the word that Nancy was a lying nut case before Nancy came to Boulder? Who was on his contact list? Haney, lawyers, media. Hmmmm.

And years before that, Spade was posting on the fora in full BORG mode. What a coincidence!

He's a friendly kind of guy, too. He says he spends a lot of time with Fleet White.

But wait! Doesn't Fleet hate and despise anyone who blabs case information to the media because the incredibly virtuous Mr White is saving his testimony for a courtroom?

Then why are Spade and Fleet so tight? Spade works with the tabloids, for gosh sakes! And he's been an Internet poster from Day 1. It makes me wonder if Spade knows more about JonBenet's murder than he admits to.

I don't have a copy of Spade's police file but understand it is not empty. Seems he is not a stranger to police questions, or charges, or even convictions.

Whatever - as far as I know he has never been charged or convicted for being a pedophile or for murder. But he probably knows people who have been.

So how close was he to the Whites before JonBenét's murder. Did he know the name Ramsey? Did he know about their money and position and maybe their pretty little girl?

Not accusing him of anything, you know. But if he was friends with SickPuppy - - was he the one who gave SickPuppy the idea to go to THAT house? To kill THAT child?

Worth looking into.

I agree. I hope Tom Bennett will take a long, hard look at this man, his history of case and case figures involvement, and follow the trail where ever it leads. I hope Bennett will think through Spade's relationship with Fleet White, who after all, was the first person to look in the room that contained JonBenet's dead body.

If there is really a family link by blood or marriage between Spade and Nancy Krebs, that is stunning to me. Hasn't he been around as curmudgeon, colomomof4 and other hats since almost the beginning? And he is out there bad mouthing a family member now? He was already on the fora for eons and really playing the fora info game. Seems like risky business to me for Nancy if she was lying.

I don't get this.

Don't know what hats he has used - - not any member hats here.

Spade posted BORG on the fora for years before Nancy came to Boulder. He's Fleet's pal and he worked hard for Nancy's mother, Gwen to trash her own daughter and his own step niece:

Spade
Member
Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 26
February 18, 2000
One week before Alex Hunter called nancy credible and the Camera published its slanderous article, nancy's Mother called Mrs Spade and me to ask for help. She detailed nancy's physical and mental health problems and gave us contacts that could substantiate her take on what at that time was a developing situation. In two hours we were able to verify Gwen B*****'s story and understand her concerns for nancy's safety.

I notified friends at the Boulder DA's office, Lou Smit, The Rocky Mountain News, The Star, The Globe, and the Denver DA's office. A week later I talked to Tom Trujillo at the Boulder PD. Then after 11 weeks of investigation and pi**ing away tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars, the BPD confirmed EVERY DETAIL of Gwen's story that they had been told a week before the public slander started.

I want to add two more individuals to your list of players in Krebscam: Denver/Digerati/ and Gsquared/Closer2/ . Both these women posted outragous allegations about me and my family.

All of these individuals are guilty of manipulating a person (nancy)who was obviously mentally ill for WHAT?

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Spade, otherwise known as JonBenet's Angel on Earth, has an agenda other than JfJBR:

Spade
Member

Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 2
It's not
over till its over. And that is when Fleet White's family is cleared from the outragous allegations of the Ramsey's and other wannabe rich white trash.

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"What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."
John and Patsy Ramsey

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I am not playing devil's advocate - I honestly think the Whites are innocent of everything here - -

but what the hello is Spade's problem?

The BPD did their investigation and released a statement saying that nothing Nancy said had anything to do with the Ramsey case - at that point my interest in her left. But Spade and others kept pushing - - why?

I was still interested in the Whites - specifically in their company... and they are from CA and Nancy is from CA - and...

was there something there that needed attention? Did Nancy actually cloud up the path there?

If I was investigating this I would listen to Nancy - and investigate Spade. Something isn't right there - that's how I see it.

Good question! I keep reading the Spade posts, and the letters from FW, and can't figure out what the problem is. Why don't they forget it? They seem to be the only ones dwelling on it, and I have to wonder why.
I do find it extremely coincidental that Nancy Krebs is related to a longtime poster who was posting before she came onto the scene. How odd! Especially since Miss Krebs said she didn't know anything about JonBenet before she saw Lee Hill on tv and the ball got rolling.

The email I had for Spade is gone.

He hasn't posted lately - I don't know if he is around at all but I suspect he is. Maybe he is just posting in the private forums?

He told many people who he really is - he spent time with LE... I wonder just how much of that is in files. I know they tape recorded me when I called - I wouldn't doubt that he is on some tapes as well.

Wouldn't those transcripts be interesting?

It might be illuminative to construct a timeline of Spade's involvement in the case, along with a hit parade of his greatest posts. I don't suppose Spade would be willing to supply us with his rap sheet along with details of his family interactions with Gwen and the rest of Nancy's clan.

Isn't it amazing that Spade was chummy with Tom Haney, who gave Patsy the third degree. I wonder if he had a meeting with Fleet right after her interrogation.

"I was still interested in the Whites - specifically in their company... and they are from CA and Nancy is from CA - and...

was there something there that needed attention? Did Nancy actually cloud up the path there?

If I was investigating this I would listen to Nancy - and investigate Spade. Something isn't right there - that's how I see it."

I couldn't agree more. I don't have much confidence in the investigation done by the BPD into the CA/CO situation. If there was a subculture as described by Nancy anywhere near Jonbenet, it is going to take seasoned investigators to cut through the misdirection and manipulation of the group to find out if there is a connection. I'm not saying there is a connection. I don't know, but it does deserve a proper investigation.

>It might be illuminative to construct a timeline of Spade's
>involvement in the case, along with a hit parade of his
>greatest posts.

So, how would you go about doing that?

I don't have them - someone else might. But they are copyright protected so would have to be posted in bits of quotes with commentary.

The silliest thing which has come out of this, and believe me, their have many silly things, is the nonsensical statement that a bunch of Phd's werePO'd because of the treatment of Steve Thomas. Why would a bunch of Phd's care one way or another. What tomfoolery.

And furthermore, the "noises" at the end of the 911 tape are clearly mechanical noises. Anyone who can make out Patsy Ramsey saying "Help me Jesus" or anything else for that matter is just acting out their fantasies. No matter how much they wish it to be true, there is nothing there.

Steve Thomas lost the lawsuit. Get over it buzzers. The party to a lawsuit who receives the money, wins. Okay, guys, get buzzing.

Thanks, Jameson, for opening the forum today. You are just about the only decent person left who is connected with the forums.

Some people who supported Steve Thomas ended up feeling betrayed.

Some people supported BY Steve Thomas (Don Foster, for example) were discredited in this case.

Thomas himself wrote a book and when it came out, many posters were shocked - it was theory and unsupported by the evidence we had.

But let's be honest - Thomas was not the only one who let people down.

The facts are there - the evidence is there - the killer can be caught - - let's focus more on that.

Thanks for the compliment - but there are lots of people here for real justice - lots of decent people around.

On the 911 tape - we have all heard it - - there is no discussion at the end of the tape - Burke's voice is not there, he and John are not talking.

The BORG can post all they want about how they hear it - maybe next year they will say they heard the Son of Sam dog barking on that tape as well.

Jameson, thanks for going on unprotect, even if it's just for today. Just wanted to comment that Don Foster somehow convinced the folks at Reader's Digest to publish an article in their December issue. He even mentioned being "consulted" in the Ramsey case.

Hi, Really Stormy!

Does anyone remember when Spade first appeared? I know he was a frequent JW poster and I recall that he tried to organize a BORG group to influence the GJ.

Jameson, why do you pass on White? What in the world has he done that points to innocence? Nothing that I can see.

What he has done and continues to do, is act like a vengeful lunatic (more absurd lawsuits than I can remember, criminal behavior, disruption of JB's funeral, etc, etc, etc) who keeps company with Nancy Kreb's step uncle. He prevented a memorial service for JB at his church.

I think White was influenced by Steve Thomas and other BORG - and now I think he doesn't know what to do.

I see a person who has not acted appropriately - but I don't see evidence that he was involved in something as evil as this murder.

I think FW was influenced by something else besides ST, as John said he was acting crazy before the funeral. ST didn't come on the case until the 29th, and everyone was headed for Atlanta by then. When did ST have time to influence anyone at that point?

It comes down to this - -

Arndt tells us she looked in John's eyes and knew he was the killer - and she was with Fleet that afternoon - - we don't know what might have passed between those two.

I don't know who Fleet soketo between Arndt and Thomas but it is clear Thomas and White got pretty tight - and toss Judith in there too - - remember the letters - they were all cozy friends.

It isn't a coincidence Judith and the Whites started out supporting the Ramseys and turned. I am sure of that.

I don't think Arndt had any influence over White that morning--he wouldn't obey a simple order she made to protect the crime scene. Instead he went right down and tampered with evidence. Patsy said that Fleet admired the structure of the RN and seemed to remeber it word for word. John said, the writer called him John a lot, just like Fleet did. John also said it was strange that Fleet didn't comfort him, but took notes instead.

Fleet was the first person to enter the death room and pretended not to see JB's body. It was like he got to the house, couldn't believe the cops hadn't found the body and had to reassure himself that she was still there.

There was a light hanging right behind the doorway. The room was not pitch black as Thomas said. Or was John lying when he said he could see her instantly?

that kind of makes me laugh, because Arndt appeared to be oblivious to FW, and all the rest of them, come to think of it. Or, that's how ABC edited her piece.
I vaguely remember an incident LA mentioned, about being followed by "Patsy's bestfriend". Do you remember that, too? LA also mentioned a strange experience with Barb Fernie and jogging, was that the same person following her in her car? Anyone?

sorry about this but I am tired and off to bed - putting the forum on protect - if the weather is bad tomorrow maybe we can do it again.

I think not. I've shared my thoughts about Spade on other threads. I have continually called him a dark and shadowy character. He has been trying to manipulate the case, on and off the forums from early on.

Yes, he has a record. Something about real estate fraud in Colorado. He is related by marriage to Nancy Krebs. Alyce Sprague is Krebs grandmother, Gwen Boykin's mother, and Tal Jones stepmother. Alyce was also a longtime friend of Fleet White, Sr. Nancy never realized he was involved in the Ramsey case until she came to Boulder. She did know he had tab connections and was/is a two bit filmmaker.

His Ramsey "projects" go far beyond being an amateur sleuth. I'd sure like to know whose payroll he's on.

He is all about intimidation and manipulation. Even his hat "colomomof4" is an attempt at intimidation. It's a reference to me as I'm a mother of four in Colorado. Creepy, heh?

>He is all about intimidation and manipulation. Even his hat
>"colomomof4" is an attempt at intimidation. It's a
>reference to me as I'm a mother of four in Colorado.
>Creepy, heh?

Yes. That is very creepy.

What do Spade, BlueCrab (poster), and Ryan Ross all have in common? Who is the "head", the "middle", and the "ass" of this version of a donkey that has been long promoting a BDI theory that has cost the tabs plenty? And why?

I've never heard of "Spade". Guess I've just been lucky.

Jameson, I know it's hard to police the forum when it's unlocked. However, I think it would be great to unlock it more often...especially since we're coming up to the 7th anniversary of Jonbenet's death. It's time to allow some passionate debate in her honor.

Maybe I will set up an area - public - on the anniversary just to see what happens - maybe for the 25th and 26th. Let everything get posted and then clean it up after. If the flamers want to show just why we keep this place locked up - - no harm.