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#0, Fleet White and Nancy Krebs ?
Posted by jameson on Jul-04-02 at 08:10 PM
Former Ramsey friend wants right to see<BR> files mentioning him <P> By Travis Henry<BR> The Daily Times-Call<P> BOULDER - Former Ramsey family friend Fleet White Jr. and<BR> his wife, Priscilla, have filed a lawsuit in district court asking a<BR> judge to order the Boulder Police Department to turn over<BR> numerous documents related to the JonBenet Ramsey murder<BR> investigation. <P> White, who was with John Ramsey when he discovered his<BR> 6-year-old daughter's body in the family's basement in<BR> December 1996, is seeking documents pertaining to a California<BR> woman's claim she was sexually assaulted as a child, according<BR> to the lawsuit. <P> "During the (California woman's) investigation, plaintiffs<BR> learned that (the woman) had falsely reported to the Boulder<BR> police that she had been a victim of serious and violent crimes<BR> committed by members of plaintiffs' family including plaintiff<BR> Fleet Russell White Jr.," the lawsuit states. <P> "Additionally, (the woman) falsely reported that plaintiffs were<BR> part of a child sex abuse conspiracy and that members of (the<BR> woman's) family were present at plaintiffs' home on Dec. 25,<BR> 1996, at which time and place JonBenet Ramsey was sexually<BR> abused and killed," the lawsuit continued. <P> Boulder police Chief Mark Beckner said on Thursday that his<BR> department and the city plan to fight in court against turning<BR> over the documents. <P> "We don't want to release information from an open and active<BR> case file," Beckner said. "That has been our position for the<BR> last five years, coming up on six." <P> The lawsuit could signal White is still attempting to pursue an<BR> investigation against journalists who wrote stories mentioning<BR> him in the JonBenet Ramsey slaying. <P> White first sought criminal charges after a series of stories in<BR> which the California woman accused a group - some of whom<BR> were reportedly in Boulder on the day JonBenet Ramsey was<BR> killed - of sexually assaulting her as a child. <P> The woman said she was assaulted in much the same manner<BR> as JonBenet and has known the White family since she was a<BR> small child. <P> The woman's therapist later said the woman's allegations were<BR> made four years before the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey and<BR> documented at that time. <P> White's requests for a criminal libel investigation were<BR> eventually dismissed. <P> According to the lawsuit, the district attorney's office has<BR> handed over some of the documents related to the woman's<BR> claims about the sex abuse, even though it is part of the<BR> Ramsey investigation. <P> District Attorney Mary Keenan didn't return phone calls<BR> Wednesday, but Beckner said his department worked with the<BR> DA's office in deciding what could be released from the files. <P> Beckner said most of the information given to the Whites was<BR> "pre-investigation" and wouldn't compromise the Ramsey<BR> murder investigation. <P> Last October, White was sentenced to 30 days in jail after he<BR> pleaded guilty to ignoring two subpoenas in a Ramsey-related<BR> trial . <P> White was subpoenaed in May and June of 2001 to appear as a<BR> witness in a criminal bribery trial. He said he chose not to<BR> appear because he didn't think he had any relevant testimony<BR> to give. <P> The case involved lawyer Thomas Miller, who was accused of<BR> trying to buy a copy of the ransom note found in the Ramseys'<BR> house. Miller was acquitted. <P> Travis Henry can be reached at 303-776-2244, Ext. 326, or by<BR> e-mail at thenry@times-call.com.

#1, I support the Whites in this
Posted by jameson on Jul-04-02 at 08:15 PM
In response to message #0
Nancy Krebs made some accusations and did it quite publicly, using some posters from another forum to promote her story and cause.<P>The Whites were subjected to a lot of pain from that incident - - and if the accusations were false, then Fleet has a right to defend his reputation in court.<P>Beckner is wrong to deny Fleet those files. As for what they have to do with the Ramsey case - they will prove some very WRONG accusations were FALSE! <P>Come on, Mark, let the truth come out - - let the truth come out.<P>

#2, http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/home/article/0,1299,DRMN_1_1247445,00.html
Posted by jameson on Jul-04-02 at 08:22 PM
In response to message #0
Former Ramsey friends request access to some<BR> police files <P> July 4, 2002<P> BOULDER, Colo.- Two former friends of John and Patsy Ramsey want a<BR> judge to grant them access to some of the police files kept in the<BR> JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation.<P> Fleet White Jr. and his wife, Priscilla, have asked officials to turn over<BR> files involving a California woman's claims that the Whites were part of a<BR> child sex abuse ring that contributed to JonBenet's death.<P> Police have said there is no evidence to support the woman's theory.<P> Six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey was found strangled in the basement of<BR> her family's home in Dec. 26, 1996. Police have yet to charge anyone in<BR> her death.<P> The Whites requested access to some of the murder investigation files in<BR> a three-page document filed June 24 in Boulder District Court.<P> Police Chief Mark Beckner has repeatedly refused the Whites' request,<BR> saying the file is part of the murder investigation and not subject to<BR> disclosure under the state's criminal justice records laws.<P> Fleet White was with John Ramsey on Dec. 26, 1996, when Ramsey<BR> found JonBenet's body.<P> The night before, the Ramsey family, including JonBenet and her<BR> then-9-year-old brother, Burke, attended a Christmas party at the<BR> Whites' home.<P> In a June 3 letter to Beckner, the Whites said that releasing the records<BR> "will not injure the public interest since the false allegations reported ...<BR> are not the subject of an ongoing police or prosecutor investigation."

#3, http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_1246824,00.html
Posted by jameson on Jul-04-02 at 08:27 PM
In response to message #2
Whites file request for access to some of the<BR> Ramsey files<P> Police chief refuses to hand over files, says they are part of<BR> investigation <P> By Pam Regensberg, Camera Staff Writer<BR> July 4, 2002<P> Fleet White Jr. and his wife, Priscilla, have asked a judge to determine if the city of<BR> Boulder and Police Chief Mark Beckner should turn over files related to the 5-year-old<BR> JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation. <P> In a three-page court filing, accompanied by letters and a newspaper article, the<BR> former friends of John and Patsy Ramsey contend they should have access to the<BR> investigative file involving a California woman who told police she believed JonBenet<BR> was killed as part of a child sex ring. <P> Beckner repeatedly has refused the Whites' request for the file. <P> The Whites claim in the court document filed in Boulder District Court on June 24, the<BR> woman falsely reported to police that the Whites were part of a child sex abuse<BR> conspiracy. The woman, the Whites further claim, told investigators that members of<BR> her family attended a 1996 Christmas party at the Whites' home where 6-year-old<BR> JonBenet was sexually abused and killed. <P> The Whites said they never heard of the woman until a reporter called them in<BR> February 2000 seeking comment on the allegations, according to the filing. <P> Fleet White was with John Ramsey on Dec. 26, 1996, when Ramsey found<BR> JonBenet's beaten and strangled body in the basement of the Ramseys' 15th Street<BR> home. The girl was asphyxiated with a garrote and had been hit on the head with a<BR> blunt object. <P> The night before, the Ramsey family, including JonBenet and her then-9-year-old<BR> brother, Burke, attended a Christmas party at the Whites' home. <P> In February 2000, police began investigating the California woman's claims. Eleven<BR> weeks later the police issued a statement saying they found no evidence to support<BR> her theory. <P> Investigators determined the woman, who lived near San Luis Obispo, was sexually<BR> abused by a relative 20 years ago — but found no ties to the Ramsey case. <P> In a June 3 letter to Chief Beckner, the Whites said that releasing the records "will not<BR> injure the public interest since the false allegations reported ... are not the subject of<BR> an ongoing police or prosecutor investigation." <P> District Attorney Mary Keenan said Wednesday that her office has released some<BR> information concerning the case to the Whites. <P> Beckner, however, has repeatedly told the Whites that the file is part of the murder<BR> investigation and not subject to disclosure under the state's criminal justice records<BR> laws. <P> "All the leads that we get are part of the Ramsey case file," Beckner said Wednesday,<BR> adding the police file is substantially different from the prosecutor's file. "It's not a<BR> separate crime being." <P> Contact Pam Regensberg at (303) 473-1329 or regensbergp@thedailycamera.com.

#4, "Active" case file?
Posted by tipper on Jul-04-02 at 09:59 PM
In response to message #3
Just how much activity has there been recently?

#5, Active? Open?
Posted by DonBradley on Jul-04-02 at 11:37 PM
In response to message #4
Some researcher in Boston wanted files on a sixty year old case and ran up against that 'active' nonsense.<P>The BPD have the Ramsey-case public relations flacks on standby but nothing is happening. Certainly nothing ever would happen on the nutcase from SLO who accuses men of raping her who were two states away at the time.

#6, It's About Time!!!
Posted by Lilac on Jul-05-02 at 09:53 AM
In response to message #5
<center><font size="1" color="#ff0000">LAST EDITED ON Jul-07-02 AT 08:24 PM (EST)</font></center><p>LAST EDITED ON Jul-05-02 AT 09:53 AM (EST)<P>I've ALWAYS wondered why the White's are so quiet about all of this. <P>Why the big falling out with the Ramsey's? The only answers I've heard to that questions (ie mad that John got attorney; mad that John went to media -- are such bullshit.) I'd LOVE to know the truth.<P>It was 2-3 years ago that Nancy Krebs was telling her story. Personally, I'm not convinced that she IS a nutcase. Maybe Fleet himself wasn't involved. Before today, I NEVER heard that he was involved with Nancy -- only his father.<P>If it's true that she is kind of nutty, so to speak, and it's a far-fetched tale that she spins, then WHY do the police refuse to let Fleet in on it? <P>(edit to add, by "it" I mean the Ramsey case)<P> After all, if I recall correctly, the BPD are the ones that decided that Nancy was not believable. So, if the stories aren't true, then how does this affect the Ramsey case?<P>I wonder which high-up cop was involved with this case more closely than he's willing to admit? There's no other reason I can think of why they would totally botch this case and refuse help.<P>Personally, I respect law enforcement officials, but just not these ones.<P>Edit to note: The only way they will receive respect of any kind is to turn the case over to another agency.<P><P>

#7, Curious
Posted by jameson on Jul-07-02 at 10:21 AM
In response to message #6
By bringing a lawsuit, Fleet and Priscilla open themselves up to be deposed - maybe questioned in court.<P>I wonder what this is really about.

#8, One thing I know for sure
Posted by Lilac on Jul-07-02 at 08:25 PM
In response to message #7
This is ONE guy, that if he wrote a book, I WOULD buy it! The whole White/Ramsey thing is a big mystery.

#9, the suit
Posted by jameson on Jul-11-02 at 11:06 PM
In response to message #0
Filed in the <BR> DISTRICT COURT, BOULDER COUNTY Fifth Judicial District <BR> COLORADO <BR> 1779 6th STREET <BR> BOULDER, CO 80302 <P> Plaintiffs: <P> FLEET RUSSELL WHITE, and <BR> PRISCILLA BROWN WHITE <BR> V. <P> Defendants: Court Use Only <BR> THE CITY OF BOULDER, COLORADO <BR> a Colorado home rule municipality and <BR> MARK R. BECKNER, individually <BR> and in his capacity as Chief of the Boulder <BR> Department of Police and Custodian of Records for the Department of Police <P> Plaintiff filing Application for Order to Show <BR> Cause without attorney: <P> Names: Fleet Russell White, Jr. <BR> Priscilla Brown White <BR> Address: (redacted) <P> APPLICATION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE <P> For its application for an order to show cause plaintiffs state as follows: <P> 1. Plaintiffs Fleet Russell White, Jr. and Priscilla Brown White are husband and wife and are <BR> residents of Boulder, Colorado. <P> 2. Defendant City of Boulder is a Colorado home rule municipality located in the City of <BR> Boulder, County of Boulder, Colorado. <P> 3. Defendant Mark R. Beckner (“Beckner”) is employed by the City of Boulder as Chief of <BR> Police of the City of Boulder Department of Police (“Boulder Police”). Beckner is custodian as <BR> defined by CR S 24-72-302 (5) as evidenced by his control of Boulder police criminal justice <BR> records in this matter. <P> 4. By letter dated March 20, 2002 plaintiffs made a written request to Beckner to inspect and <BR> copy all Criminal justice records relating to the concluded Boulder Police investigation of <BR> reports of criminal conduct made by an individual identified to plaintiffs by the Boulder Police as <BR> Nancy Jo Krebs (‘the Krebs investigation.). A copy of the March 20, 2002 letter is attached as <BR> Exhibit I. <P> 5 According to an official City of Boulder News Release dated May 15, 2000 the <BR> Krebs investigation commenced no later than February 2000 and concluded on or about <BR> May 15, 2000. A copy of the May 15, 2000 City of Boulder Press Release is attached as <BR> Exhibit 2. <P> 6. During the Krebs investigation plaintiffs learned that Krebs had falsely reported to the <BR> Boulder police that she had been a victim of serious and violent crimes committed by members <BR> of plaintiffs’ family including plaintiff Fleet Russell White, Jr. Additionally. Krebs falsely reported <BR> that plaintiffs were part of a child sex abuse conspiracy and that members of Krebs’ family <BR> were present at plaintiffs home on December 25, 1996 at which time and place JonBenet <BR> Ramsey was sexually abused and killed. <P> 7. Any report made by Krebs to the Boulder Police alleging criminal conduct by plaintiffs was <BR> false. Plaintiffs have never met Krebs nor were plaintiffs aware of her existence until her <BR> identity was given to plaintiffs by a reporter seeking plaintiffs’ comment late in the evening <BR> prior the publication of Krebs’ allegations by the Boulder Daily Camera newspaper on February <BR> 25, 2000. The February 25, 2000 Boulder Daily Camera article is attached as Exhibit 3 By <BR> knowingly making false reports to the Boulder Police, Krebs and possibly other individuals <BR> involved in causing the transmission of Krebs’ false reports violated CR5 18-18-111(b) and (c) <BR> and possibly other Colorado Criminal Statutes. <P> 8. Any documents or materials made, maintained or kept by the Boulder Police relating to the <BR> Krebs investigation are criminal justice records as defined by C.R.S. 24-72-302(4). <P> 9. By letter dated April 2, 2002 Beckner denied plaintiffs’ March 20, 2002 written request for, <BR> criminal justice records relating to the concluded Krebs investigation. In that letter. Beckner <BR> stated that the JonBenet Ramsey homicide is still under investigation. Pursuant to CR8. <BR> 24-72-305(5), these materials are investigative files and are therefore not subject to disclosure <BR> under the criminal justice records statutes.’ A copy of Beckner’s April 2, 2002 letter is attached <BR> as Exhibit 4. <P> 10. By letter dated April 25, 2002 plaintiff once again requested access to the criminal justice <BR> records relating to the Krebs investigation. A copy of plaintiff’s April 25, 2002 letter is attached <BR> as Exhibit 5. <P> 2 <P> 11. By letter dated May 1, 2000 Beckner responded to plaintiffs’ April 25, 2002 letter by <BR> denying our request for access to the criminal justice records relating to the Krebs <BR> investigation. A copy of Beckner’s May 1, 2002 letter is attached as Exhibit 6. <P> 12. By letter dated June 3, 2002, plaintiffs responded to Beckner’s letter of May 1, <BR> 2002, and once again requested access to criminal records relating to the Krebs investigation. <BR> A copy of plaintiffs June 3, 2002 letter is attached as Exhibit 7. <P> 13. By letter dated June 3, 2002, Beckner denied plaintiffs request for access to criminal justice <BR> records relating to the Krebs investigation. A copy of Beckner’s June 13, 2002 letter is attached <BR> as Exhibit 8. <P> 14. The refusal of the Boulder Police and Beckner as custodian, to allow plaintiff to inspect and <BR> copy criminal justice records relating to the Krebs investigation violates the Colorado Criminal <BR> Justice Records Act, C.R.S. 24-72-301 et. seq. <P> 15. C.R.S 24-72-305(7) provides that any person denied the right to inspect and copy any <BR> criminal justice record may apply to the district court of the district wherein the record is found <BR> for an order directing the custodian to show cause why he should not permit inspection and <BR> copying of such record. The statute further provides that a hearing shall be held at the earliest <BR> practical time. <P> 16. The decision of the Boulder police and Beckner as custodian, to refuse to allow plaintiffs to <BR> inspect and copy the criminal justice records relating to the Krebs investigation is arbitrary and <BR> capricious, thereby entitling plaintiff to recover their costs pursuant to C.R.S. 21-72-305(7). <P> WHEREFORE, plaintiffs respectfully request that this Court enter an Order directing defendants <BR> to show cause why they should not permit plaintiffs to inspect and copy criminal justice records <BR> relating to the Krebs investigation. If this Court finds that denial or plaintiffs request was <BR> improper, plaintiff requests that this Court order defendants to permit such inspection. Plaintiffs <BR> further request that this Court award plaintiffs their costs and such further relief as this Court <BR> deems proper. <P> Respectfully submitted this 24th day of June 2002. <P> Fleet Russell White, Jr. <BR> Priscilla Brown White <P> PLAINTIFFS FILING APPLICATION TO SHOW CAUSE WTTHOUT ATTORNEY <P> <BR>

#10, part 2
Posted by jameson on Jul-11-02 at 11:07 PM
In response to message #9
<P> 3 <BR> <P> CERTIFICATE OF MAILING <P> I hereby certify that on this 24th day June, 2002, the original of this APPLICATION FOR ORDER <BR> TO SHOW CAUSE was filed with the Boulder <BR> District Court, and that a true and accurate copy of this APPLICATION FOR ORDER <BR> TO SHOW CAUSE was served on the other party by placing it in the United States <BR> mail. postage pre-paid and addressed as follows: <P> The City of Boulder <BR> Office of The City Attorney <BR> Joseph N. de Raismes. JR <BR> P0. Box 791 <BR> Boulder CO 80306 <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <BR> City of Boulder <BR> Department of Police <BR> 1805 33t Street <BR> Boulder, CO 80301 <P> Fleet Russell White, Jr. Plaintiff <P> EXHIBIT 1 <P> Attached to Application for Order to Show Cause <P> Fleet Russell White and Priscilla Brown White <BR> (address redacted) <P> March 20, 2002 <P> Via Certified Mail <P> Mary Keenan <BR> District Attorney <BR> Twentieth Judicial District <BR> P.O. Box 471 <BR> Boulder, CO 80306 <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <BR> City of Boulder <BR> Boulder Police Department <BR> 1805 33rd Street <BR> Boulder, CO 80302 <P> Subject: Request for Criminal Justice Records <BR> Dear Ms Keenan and Chief Beckner, <BR> Pursuant to Colorado statutes, we hereby request that all criminal justice records relating <BR> to the investigation of the allegations of Nancy Jo Krebs be made available to us for inspection <BR> and copying. Both of your agencies were involved in this investigation that commenced no later <BR> than February, 2000 and ended on or around May 15, 2000 when City of Boulder news release <BR> stated: <P> “Boulder Police and prosecutors have concluded an investigation that began in February when a <BR> 37-year-old California woman reported her belief that JonBenet Ramsey was murdered as part <BR> of a child sex ring. The investigation found no additional evidence to support this theory.” <P> We would appreciate a timely response to this request. <P> Sincerely, <P> Fleet Russell White, Jr Priscilla Brown White <BR> <P> Exhibit 2 <BR> Attached for Order to Show Cause <BR> News Release City of Boulder <P> May 15, 2000 <P> Boulder Police end investigation into California woman’s report <P> Boulder Police and prosecutors have concluded an investigation that began in February when a <BR> 37 yea rold California woman reported her belief that JonBenet Ramsey was murdered as part <BR> of a child sex ring. The investigation found no additional evidence to support this theory. <P> In February, The woman contacted the Boulder Daily Camera with allegations of a child sex <BR> abuse conspiracy involving her own family members, the Ramsey family and close friends of <BR> the Ramseys. The woman also claimed that some of her own family members were at a party <BR> attended by JonBenet Ramsey and her parents on December 25, 1996, just prior to JonBenet’s <BR> death. The woman believed JonBenet was likely killed at the party by adults who sexually and <BR> physically abused her. <P> Boulder Police spent about 11 weeks investigating the allegations which included conducting 22 <BR> interviews, reviewing medical and psychological records, reviewing photographs and <BR> recordings, consulting with a forensic psychiatrist, and comparing the allegations against <BR> physical evidence and current knowledge of the case. As a result, Boulder Police and <BR> prosecutors working on the case have concluded that other than the woman’s statements, <BR> there is no evidence to support this theory of JonBenet’s murder. <P> “The Boulder Police have spent a significant amount of tine investigating the claims made by <BR> this woman and her attorney.” Prosecutor Mike Kane said. ‘There is simply no credible <BR> evidence to link anything she alleges to the death of JonBenet. The expenditure of additional <BR> police and prosecutorial resources is unwarranted. <P> Boulder Police have made no judgments or conclusions about abuse the woman may have <BR> suffered in prior years in California. It is well established that she was a victim of sexual abuse <BR> in 1979-80, for which a suspect was arrested and convicted. However. current investigation did <BR> not find any connection between the abuse she suffered and the death of JonBenet Ramsey. <P> Boulder Police have forwarded information to the FBI in reference to some of the woman’s <BR> allegations regarding the operation of a child ring. Police also advised her to contact California <BR> authorities with any information she has regarding crimes that may have occurred in California. <BR> This is the second time Boulder Police have investigated the possibility of JonBenet’s death <BR> being connected to a “sex ring” or pornographic operation involving numerous people. On each <BR> occasion, no credible evidence was found to support such speculation. <P> “We needed to take the time to complete a thorough investigation. Police Chief Mark Beckner <BR> said. Unfortunately, allegations have led to speculation that Fleet and Priscilla White, former <BR> close friends of the Ramseys and hosts of the 1996 Christmas party, were somehow involved <BR> in the sexual abuse and death of JonBenet. We have no evidence whatsoever to support this <BR> and have never had evidence to support such an allegation. Nor do we have any evidence that <BR> John and Patsy Ramsey were part of or participated in a child sex ring operation.” <P> Because she is a sexual assault victim, Boulder Police are not releasing the name of the <BR> California woman. <P> Exhibit 3 is a copy of the front page article in The Boulder Daily Camera from Friday, <BR> February 25, 2000 titled “DA pursues new Ramsey lead, and subtitled “Hunter asks police <BR> to investigate woman’s story of sex abuse.” by Barrie Hartman <BR> <P> _______________EXHIBIT 4 _______________ <BR> Attached to Application for Order to Show Cause. <BR> OF <BR> BOULDER <BR> DEPARTMENT OF POLICE <P> April 2. 2002 <P> Fleet White. Jr <BR> Priscilla White <BR> (address redacted) <BR> Dear Mr. and Mrs White: <P> I was out of state last week when your certified letter was delivered to my office. I returned to <BR> the office today and found your two “Request for Criminal Justice Records” which were <BR> contained in the certified letter. You have requested that “criminal justice records” on two <BR> matters be made available to you for your inspection and copying”: (1) The Boulder Police <BR> Department investigation (case P00-11362) conducted in 2000 allegations of criminal libel <BR> against you; and, (2) The Boulder Police Department investigation conducted in 2000 into the <BR> “allegations of Nancy Jo Krebs.” <P> As to your request to inspect and copy Boulder Police Department records relating to case <BR> number P00-2362, concerning your allegations of criminal libel against you: I believe that you <BR> were previously provided with a copy this material. However, you may contact Jojo Field, <BR> Manager ol the Boulder Police Department Records Division (phone number redacted) to make <BR> an appointment to inspect the records you are requesting. She can also provide you with an <BR> estimate of the costs for copying any or all of the materials. <P> As to your request to inspect and copy Boulder Police Department records relating to the <BR> investigation into the allegations of Nancy Jo Krebs:”I must deny your request to copy and <BR> inspect these materials. As you know, the JonBenet Ramsey homicide is still under <BR> investigation. Pursuant to C.R.S. 24-72-305 (5), these materials are investigative files and are <BR> therefore not subject to disclosure under the criminal justice records statutes. <P> Sincerely, <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <P> EXHIBIT 5 <BR> Attached to Application (or Order to Show Cause) <P> Fleet Russell White, Jr. and Priscilla Brown White <BR> (address redacted) <P> Via Certified Mail <P> April 25, 2002 <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <BR> City of Boulder <BR> Department of Police <BR> 1805 33rd Street <BR> Boulder, C0 80301 <P> Subject: Your letter dated April 2, 2002 re: request for criminal justice records <BR> Dear Chief Beckner: <BR> Thank your for your letter dated April 2,2002 responding to our letters dated March 20, 2002 in <BR> which we requested access to criminal justice records. <P> We appreciate your giving us JoJo Field’s name and phone number regarding our request to <BR> inspect and copy all Boulder Police Department criminal justice records relative to case number <BR> P00-11362 concerning our complaints of criminal libel. Those complaints were in response to <BR> the publication and dissemination of the allegations, claims, and beliefs of Nancy Jo Krebs. We <BR> will be contacting Ms Field in the near future to make an appointment to inspect those records. <P> In your letter you claim that Boulder Police Department criminal justice records relative to he <BR> investigation of Krebs’ allegations are not subject to disclosure under CRS 24-72 305 (5) since, <BR> the JonBenet Ramsey homicide is still under investigation.” On that basis, you have denied our <BR> request to inspect and copy the Krebs criminal justice records. Perhaps there is a <BR> misunderstanding. According to an official City of Boulder News Release dated May 15, 2000, <BR> an eleven-week Boulder police and prosecutor investigation found no credible evidence to link <BR> anything she (Krebs) alleges to the death of JonBenet.” Moreover, that same news release <BR> stated that “Boulder Police and prosecutors “had “concluded” their investigation of Krebs claims <BR> and allegations. Therefore, the criminal justice records we wish to inspect and copy are relative <BR> to an investigation of allegations, claims and beliefs that had nothing to do with the Ramsey <BR> homicide and which ended in May 2000, almost two years ago. We have enclosed a copy of the <BR> May 15, 2000 City of Boulder News Release. <P> Pursuant to Colorado open records statutes, we once again request access to all criminal <BR> justice records relative to the investigation of the allegations, claims and beliefs of Nancy <BR> <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> April 25, 2002 <BR> Page Two <P> Jo Krebs. In the event you remain unwilling to provide such access on the basis of CRS <BR> 24-72-305 (5), please provide us with a written statement describing the nature of the public <BR> interest to be protected by your denial as required by CRS 24-72-305 (6). <P> Sincerely. <BR> Fleet Russell White, Jr. Priscilla Brown White <BR> enclosure <BR> <BR>

#11, part 3
Posted by jameson on Jul-11-02 at 11:07 PM
In response to message #10
Exhibit 6 <BR> CITY Attached to Application for Order to Show Cause <BR> OF <BR> BOULDER <BR> Department of Police <P> May 1, 2000 <BR> Fleet White. Jr <BR> Priscilla White <BR> (address redacted) <P> Dear Mr. and Mrs. White: <P> I received your letter dated April 25. 2002, which again requests that the “Krebs criminal <BR> justice records” be made available to you for your “inspection and copying.” I had previously <BR> denied this same request from you on the grounds that the JonBenet Ramsey homicide is still <BR> under investigation and, pursuant to CR.S. 24-72-305 (5), the requested materials are <BR> investigative files and are therefore not subject to disclosure under the criminal justice records <BR> statutes. <P> In your new request, you refer to information contained in a May 15, 2000, City press release <BR> regarding “Krebs allegations.” You cite language from the press release that the investigation <BR> was ‘concluded” and that there was “no credible evidence” to link Krebs allegations to the death <BR> oC JonBenet Ramsey. As I stated to you in my first letter, and as you know, the investigation <BR> into the JonBenet Ramsey homicide is still open. The investigation of Krebs’ allegations <BR> necessarily involved some issues and aspects of that investigation. To disclose aspects of our <BR> investigation into tips and information received could inhibit persons from coming forward with <BR> information and prevent witnesses from cooperating in the future. Furthermore, releasing <BR> information concerning Krebs’ allegations could disclose information not previously made <BR> public. The JonBenet Ramsey homicide investigation is still an open, active investigation. <P> For these reasons, I must again deny your request to copy and inspect these materials. <BR> Pursuant to C.R.S. 24-72-305 (5), I believe JonBenet Ramsey homicide these materials are <BR> investigative files and are therefore not subject to disclosure under the criminal justice records <BR> statutes. <P> Sincerely. <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <BR> EXHIBIT 7 <BR> Attached to Application for Order to Show Cause <P> Fleet Russell White, Jr and Priscilla Brown White <BR> (address redacted) <BR> June 3, 2002 <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <BR> City of Boulder <BR> Department of Police <BR> 1805 33rd Street <BR> Boulder, CO 80301 <P> Subject: Your letter of May 1, 2002 re: request for criminal justice records <P> Dear Mr. Beckner: <P> We received your letter of May 1, 2002 responding to our letter dated April 25,2002 in which <BR> we repeated our March 20, 2002 request for criminal justice records regarding the 2000 <BR> investigation of the <BR> beliefs, claims and allegations of Nancy Jo Krebs. By your May 1 letter, you have once again <BR> denied that request. We wish to review the basis for your denial. <P> In your letters of April 2 and May 1, 2002, you denied our request for criminal justice records <BR> pursuant to C.R.S. 21-72-305(5). You thus claimed that releasing the requested records would <BR> be contrary public interest. Apparently in an attempt to describe the “general nature of the <BR> public interest to be protected” as required by C.R.S.24-72-305 (6), you stated in your May I <BR> letter that he requested records are “investigative files” of the JonBenet Ramsey homicide <BR> investigation that “is still an active, open investigation.” You further stated that the <BR> “investigation of Krebs” allegations necessarily involved some issues and aspects of that <BR> investigation” and that “releasing information concerning Krebs’ allegations could disclose <BR> information not previously made public.” <P> We wish to repeat that we are requesting only those criminal justice records that relate to an <BR> investigation that, according to your press release of May 15, 2000, had been “concluded” and <BR> which found no credible evidence linking anything she (Krebs) alleges, to the death of As <BR> persons in interest, we are seeking the release of only those criminal justice records relating to <BR> a concluded investigation of reports to authorities alleging criminal conduct that were false and <BR> not relevant to the Ramsey homicide investigation. Releasing the requested criminal justice <BR> records will not injure the public interest since the false allegations reports by Krebs are not the <BR> subject of an ongoing police or prosecutor investigation. That investigation concluded on or <BR> about May 15, 2000. There is not, therefore, any legitimate basis for your claim that the Krebs <BR> criminal justice records are exempt from lawful public disclosure on the grounds that they are <BR> part of an ongoing investigation. We believe that your assertion that the requested criminal <BR> justice records are part of the “investigative files” of the Ramsey investigation was made <BR> Mark K Beckner <BR> June 3. 2002 <BR> Page Two <P> in furtherance of an attempt to avoid or delay the lawful and proper release of those public <BR> records. <P> As for your statement that the requested records “could disclose” information that has not been <BR> previously disclosed to the public, we fail to see any relevance to your claim of injury to the <BR> public interest. Releasing the Krebs criminal justice records will obviously involve information <BR> not previously disclosed. It is for that reason that we are making our request. <P> In your May 1, letter you also offered the following vague argument that disclosure of the <BR> requested criminal justice records would be contrary to the public interest since: <P> “To disclose aspects of our investigation into tips and information received could only inhibit <BR> persons from coming forward with information and prevent witnesses from cooperating in the <BR> future” <P> It is unclear whether you were referring to (1) persons and witnesses who may provide <BR> information concerning Krebs’ allegations; (2) persons and witnesses who may provide <BR> information concerning the Ramsey homicide; or (3) persons and witnesses who may provide <BR> information concerning criminal activity in general. If you were referring to the possible <BR> inhibiting of persons and witnesses in the investigation of Krebs’ false allegations of criminal <BR> conduct by members of our family, we will remind you that the investigation was “concluded”. <BR> Since the investigation was concluded (and Krebs allegations and claims and beliefs were <BR> determined to be false). there is not an investigation to be hampered by the release of the <BR> requested criminal justice records and, therefore, no possibility of injury to the public interest. <P> If, on the other hand, you were referring to the possible inhibiting of persons and witnesses <BR> who may provide information concerning the Ramsey homicide or the possible inhibiting of <BR> persons and witnesses who may provide information concerning crime generally, you are <BR> referring to a problem we are unfortunately very familiar with. As you know members of our <BR> families, including our children came forward to your agency with whatever information we had <BR> concerning the Ramsey homicide. We did so willingly, without reservation and, eventually at <BR> great sacrifice. In the months and years following JonBenet’s death the substance of our police <BR> interviews, and in some cases our actual words have heen published in newspapers, <BR> magazines, supermarket tabloids and books or broadcast during endless hours of television <BR> programming and radio talk shows- As a direct result, our family has suffered harassment, <BR> ridicule, intimidation, retaliation and a significant loss of our privacy. There is absolutely no <BR> question that public disclosure by employees and agents of the Boulder Police Department and <BR> the Boulder District Attorney of our information concerning the Ramsey homicide—all of which <BR> was <BR> Mark R. Beckner <BR> June 3, 2002 <BR> Page Three <P> believed to be true and given in good faith——has drastically reduced the willingness of our <BR> family to voluntarily come forward to law enforcement as crime victims or witnesses. <P> In the Krebs case, however the “tips and information” alleging serious crimes that your agency <BR> received and investigated as a result of efforts and prodding by a disreputable attorney the <BR> editor, the editor of a local newspaper, an author of true crime books and a vindictive and <BR> discredited district attorney, were knowingly false. As you know, false reporting to authorities is <BR> a crime punishable under Colorado law. Yet, to our knowledge, no one has been investigated <BR> or punished as a result of Krebs’ knowingly false reports to your agency and to the Boulder <BR> District Attorney and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. We doubt very much that it is the <BR> official policy of the Boulder Police Department, the Boulder District Attorney or any other <BR> Colorado law enforcement agency or prosecutor to tolerate and overlook such a blatant and <BR> extreme episode of criminal conduct. Yet, such has been the case with the false reports made <BR> by Nancy Jo Krebs. <P> Mr. Beckner, releasing criminal justice records relating to the investigaiion of false reporrts that <BR> were made or transmitted in bad faith, as they were in the Krebs case, will not inhibit the public <BR> from coming forward in good Faith to report and bear witness to crimes. What does inhibit <BR> people from coming forward is their perception that crime victims and witnesses can suffer <BR> extreme mistreatment at the hands of law enforcement and the news media and that agencies <BR> such as yours will foster or tolerate such mistreatment and allow it to be unquestioned, <BR> uninvestigated, unchallenged and unpunished. Such mistreatment has been a hallmark of the <BR> Ramsey investigation. The Krebs case and the wasteful and protracted eleven-week Boulder <BR> Police “investigation” of her highly public , false and libelous allegations of pornography, child <BR> sex abuse, rape, torture and homicide is perhaps the most egregious example. <P> Your contention that granting our request will somehow inhibit witnesses from coming forward <BR> is illogical and dishonest and under the circumstances we deeply resent your attempt to avoid <BR> releasing the Krebs criminal justice records on that basis. <P> There is simply no injury to the public interest that can be reasonably asserted or speculated <BR> that will outweigh the certain and compelling public benefit that will result from a public review <BR> and scrutiny of the decisions and conduct of numerous public servants and the news media with <BR> respect to the extraordinary case of Krebs’ false reports to authorities. It is our belief that your <BR> agency’s denial of our request was not motivated by a genuine desire to ovoid injury to the <BR> public interest, but rather by a wrongful desire to prevent public scrutiny of official conduct in <BR> the Krebs case. Your denial of our request for criminal justice records pursuant to C.R.S. <BR> 24-72405(5) is arbitrary, capricious and itself contrary to the public interest in the extreme. <BR> <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> June 3, 2002 <BR> Page Four <P> As you may be aware, the Boulder District Attorney has recently responded positively to our <BR> requests for criminal justice records by providing us with documents in its custcdy and control <BR> concerning Nancy Jo Krebs and the investigation of her false allegations. In doing so the <BR> District Attorney has recognized that ‘Under the unique circumstances involved here” it is <BR> “appropriate” 10 provide such criminal justice records. <BR> Pursuant to Colorado public records statutes, we wish to make a final request for access to all <BR> criminal justice records relative to the investigation of the allegations, claims and beliefs of <BR> Nancy Jo Krebs. <BR> -We will appreciate a prompt reply to this final request. Thank you. <BR> Sincerely. <BR> Fleet Russell White, Jr. Priscilla Brown White <BR> cc Ron Secrist, Boulder City Manager <BR> Mayor and Members of the City Council <BR> EXHIBIT 8 <BR> Attached to Application for Order to Show Cause <BR> <P> City of Boulder Mark R. Beckner <BR> Department of Police Chief of Police <P> June 13, 2002 <BR> Mr And Mrs. Fleet Russell White Jr. <BR> (address redacted) <BR> Dear Mr. And Mrs. White, <P> Our decision in not releasing Ramsey case file information is firm. Please refer to my two <BR> previous letters for our reasons for not releasing case information. I am sorry this decision is <BR> upsetting to you, but there is nothing further I can say or do to assist you in this matter. <P> Sincerely, <P> Mark R. Beckner <BR> Chief of Police <BR>

#12, Full support to the Whites
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Jul-11-02 at 11:49 PM
In response to message #0
from my corner! They were falsely accused by Nancy Krebs and that is both illegal and immoral on the part of Ms. Krebs. Ms. Krebs also accused others falsely in the same regard as the Whites.<P>The personal investigating I did in regards to Ms. Krebs revealed, as is claimed in the Whites' suit, that Krebs had never even met Fleet White Jr. <P>I believe the Whites deserve the right to pursue clearing their names in regards to Krebs' false accusations, and may be entitled to reparation from her.

#13, Hear Hear!
Posted by DonBradley on Jul-12-02 at 09:22 AM
In response to message #12
I do think those who make such unfounded allegations should be held accountable, but I fear that since she appears to have little in the way of assets any judgment will be worthless.<BR>

#14, Hmmmmm...
Posted by Lilac on Jul-15-02 at 10:37 AM
In response to message #13
I don't recall her claiming to meet FW Jr. -- only Fleet White, Sr.<P>Question. Why wait 2 years to become upset about this?

#15, The Whites have been upset
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Jul-15-02 at 02:15 PM
In response to message #14
--and justifiably so!--since it first occured. The BPD comments and press release about this incident with Nancy Krebs reflect the Whites' upset. Actions taken by White since this first occured also reflect how upset his entire family was about these false allegations. Krebs' own family was likewise upset, as some of the allegations affected them personally as well as emotionally.<P>And yes, NK claimed that White Sr and Jr had molested her and were part of an ongoing child sex abuse "ring".

#16, Right
Posted by jameson on Jul-15-02 at 04:32 PM
In response to message #15
The Whites have been upset about this from the beginning but LE wouldn't help them at all because they say the Ramsey investigation is open and on-going.<P>I don't know of anything happening there at all and i think the case is shelved - - just "open" officially so they don't risk having it go to a special investigator who might actually solve it!