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#0, Cord
Posted by Joyce on Apr-01-02 at 03:29 AM
My simple question. The cord appears to be tubular nylon, what one might call, sheath woven. What exactly would that kind of cord be used for? It isn't cheap cord, that's for sure. I use nylon twine (twisted type) to tie up limbs and things to take to the dumpster and it is plenty strong enough for that. <P>A thicker cord (also twisted type) could've been used for the garrote yet it wasn't. So why choose expensive woven cord for a garrote unless it was something the perp used for other things? <BR>Yes it's strong, but stronger than needed to make a garrote. What I read said it was a quarter inch wide and flattened. <P>What might that kind of cord be used for normally and what is the benifit of using that kind of cord rather than twisted cord? <BR>

#1, The cord
Posted by jameson on Apr-01-02 at 09:20 AM
In response to message #0
I have some of it - - it is flat and feels almost waxed - like those slippery shoelaces that don't stay tied.<P>Why that cord as opposed to twine? If the person was using a slip knot, it would be more effective.<P>This person knew exactly what he was doing - he chose his tools carefully.

#2, Precisely.
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-01-02 at 10:20 AM
In response to message #1
>This person knew exactly what he was <BR>>doing - he chose his tools carefully. <BR>Yes. I think so.<BR>A circular cord would have slid up and down the neck and the force that was applied would be not only diminished but dissipated erratically.<P>This guy really knew what he was doing.<P>Unfortunately, its a bit like the Prosecutor's Nightmare when it comes to hate crimes: If a white man attacks a minority taken from a large crowd, the prosecutor can allege that it was a hate crime of some sort; whereas if a minority attacks one white person from a large crowd,,the allegation of 'hate crime' can be countered with 'selected a victim randomly' and chances favored the white person due to there having been fewer minorities.<P>So in cord selection, we are left with several alternatives:<P>Was it merely something lying around which turned out to be the best thing to use? Or was it simply picked by chance from among a wide variety of cords being sold? Or was it knowingly and carefully selected for its purpose?<P>The cord is sold at various Army/Navy Surplus stores and outdoor outfitter type stores. It is not some very rare item at all. <P>Rock climbing? Camping? Sailing? Equipment Stowage, such as in a Marina? Skydiving? Rescue work? Movie set construction? Displays and Exhibitions?(such as would also use duct tape).<P><P><BR>

#3, Garrotting has been used
Posted by Maikai on Apr-01-02 at 11:28 PM
In response to message #2
before in rape cases for control---by sickos that bring the victim in and out of consciousness....some have used it to kill. I think the guy knew what he was doing in that department---I don't necessarily think murder was the intent in the beginning. However, it is possible the crime was done in retaliation against JR for some perceived injury. Aspects of the crime show anger-retaliation--just difficult, IMO, to determine who the anger was directed at, or where it came from.

#5, That's actually
Posted by Joyce on Apr-03-02 at 11:14 AM
In response to message #4
>Anger can be 'thematic' rather than having <BR>>resulted from any personal interaction that <BR>>took place on a prior occasion. <BR>><BR>>The examples I've used before: a sniper <BR>>shooting an abortionist and a total <BR>>nutcase who is enraged by JonBenet <BR>>having been permitted to step on <BR>>a sidewalk crack, do not in <BR>>any way require some sort of <BR>>"personal" grudge. The anger arises more <BR>>from political issues than personal interaction. <P>what I thought it was. Someone I used to know told me something once (when I didn't even ask - as I said before, I've been told things by others when I was just sitting and listening that perhaps they didn't even remember telling me later). Anyway, this guy told me he used to be a 'massagenest' (sp) (woman hater) but that he tried to get out of that by looking at little girls because "they were so pure" and all of that, and it occured to me that if this was him, that he could've seen JBR's image in the pagents as 'soiling' that 'pure' image of little girls. <P>I wrote to someone about my all of that long ago so this is just bringing some of it out into the open here. <P>IMO I can't see anyone as 'pure as the driven snow' but then I've lived longer than twenty years so that is why. Wont say how much longer, but longer. <P>

#4, Thematic Anger
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-02-02 at 12:15 PM
In response to message #3
Anger can be 'thematic' rather than having resulted from any personal interaction that took place on a prior occasion.<P>The examples I've used before: a sniper shooting an abortionist and a total nutcase who is enraged by JonBenet having been permitted to step on a sidewalk crack, do not in any way require some sort of "personal" grudge. The anger arises more from political issues than personal interaction.<BR>

#6, Snow?
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-04-02 at 10:51 PM
In response to message #5
>I can't see anyone as 'pure as the driven snow' <BR>Most are as pure as the driven slush.<P><BR>

#7, The cord
Posted by jameson on Oct-29-02 at 11:13 AM
In response to message #6
I think it is right to note that the cord matched NOTHING in the Ramsey house and was never linked to the Ramseys at all.

It would appear the tape and cord and other things (rope, stun gun, Hi-Tec Boots)were carried into the house by the killer. That tells a lot about him - - and someone out in Boulder must have had some idea that this guy was involved - - his personality and things he owned... maybe things that went missing after the murder.


#8, Chris Anderson
Posted by Miranda on Apr-15-02 at 07:31 AM
In response to message #7
>what happened to Chris Anderson? Deceased or <BR>>went to another newspaper?<P>He and his girlfriend were struck by lightening on a vacation to Florida. He died and his girlfriend survived.<P><BR>

#9, How awful!
Posted by paperdoll on Apr-15-02 at 08:40 AM
In response to message #8
Thanks you for responding.

#10, "Should Thomas be believed?"
Posted by Jarbo9 on Apr-15-02 at 10:35 AM
In response to message #9
Steve Thomas repeated over and over again pointless<BR>issues such as whether or not Burke came downstairs<BR>during the 911 call. He never even tries to explain<BR>why such a denial would be strategically advantageous<BR>to the the Ramseys.<P>An example of nonsense repeated throughout his book<BR>is the statement that John and Fleet searched the <BR>home starting in the basement. Linda Arndt had<BR>used the common phrase "from top to bottom".<BR>Thomas took the statement literally. <P>Thomas totally ignored experts that disagreed with<BR>his scenario. At his presentation of the evidence <BR>he thought pointed to Patsy, he only quoted the <BR>opinion of Don Foster as to whom authored the <BR>ransom note. He had contrary expert analysis <BR>from nothing less than the Secret Service, but<BR>never mentioned it. <P>He never understood that an<BR>intruder could use the tools of the crime <BR>(Paper, pen, garrote handle) as well as a <BR>family member. It's no wonder Alex Hunter<BR>never gave his opinions any credence.<P>Thomas was a detective with no experience<BR>investigating a homicide. Reading his book<BR>was worth the effort. You learn just how<BR>mediocre he was as an investigator.<BR>

#11, Thomas knew
Posted by jameson on Apr-15-02 at 10:55 AM
In response to message #10
Thomas knew what Burke had told the police - - he knew damn well that Burke was NOT on the first floor when the 911 call was made - - the child's voice simply was NOT on that tape.<P>I think he would have been forced to admit that in his deposition or on the stand in the Wolf trial - - or his own.<P>He settled his own suit - - won't have to testify there - - and I feel sure he will simply be in Germany and unavailable to testify inthe Wolf suit. But his deposition will be available in that case - - so unless Darnay Hoffman drops that suit, I think some more of the truth will come out.<P>

#12, what if?
Posted by KitKat on Apr-15-02 at 05:46 PM
In response to message #11
What if the Wolf suit gets tossed like the LHP suit?<P>Can Lin Wood make release of ST's Chris Wolf suit depo part of the settlement in the Thomas suit? <P>I know the two cases are separate and one (the Wolf suit) hasn't been tried, but theoretically speaking, Steve Thomas could have allowed his deposition to be released. We *heard* he lied his b*tt off and that's why he fought to keep it sealed.<P>IMO his credibility is shot, which makes this depo worth something to me. Since he doesn't have sufficient money to pay the piper, isn't it fair of Wood to ask him to pay in the only currency Thomas has left - his lies under oath in the Wolf suit?

#2,
Posted by on Dec-- at 00: AM

#0, Cord
Posted by Joyce on Apr-01-02 at 03:29 AM
My simple question. The cord appears to be tubular nylon, what one might call, sheath woven. What exactly would that kind of cord be used for? It isn't cheap cord, that's for sure. I use nylon twine (twisted type) to tie up limbs and things to take to the dumpster and it is plenty strong enough for that. <P>A thicker cord (also twisted type) could've been used for the garrote yet it wasn't. So why choose expensive woven cord for a garrote unless it was something the perp used for other things? <BR>Yes it's strong, but stronger than needed to make a garrote. What I read said it was a quarter inch wide and flattened. <P>What might that kind of cord be used for normally and what is the benifit of using that kind of cord rather than twisted cord? <BR>

#1, The cord
Posted by jameson on Apr-01-02 at 09:20 AM
In response to message #0
I have some of it - - it is flat and feels almost waxed - like those slippery shoelaces that don't stay tied.<P>Why that cord as opposed to twine? If the person was using a slip knot, it would be more effective.<P>This person knew exactly what he was doing - he chose his tools carefully.

#1, The cord
Posted by jameson on Apr-01-02 at 09:20 AM
In response to message #0
I have some of it - - it is flat and feels almost waxed - like those slippery shoelaces that don't stay tied.<P>Why that cord as opposed to twine? If the person was using a slip knot, it would be more effective.<P>This person knew exactly what he was doing - he chose his tools carefully.

#3,
Posted by on Dec-- at 00: AM

#0, Cord
Posted by Joyce on Apr-01-02 at 03:29 AM
My simple question. The cord appears to be tubular nylon, what one might call, sheath woven. What exactly would that kind of cord be used for? It isn't cheap cord, that's for sure. I use nylon twine (twisted type) to tie up limbs and things to take to the dumpster and it is plenty strong enough for that. <P>A thicker cord (also twisted type) could've been used for the garrote yet it wasn't. So why choose expensive woven cord for a garrote unless it was something the perp used for other things? <BR>Yes it's strong, but stronger than needed to make a garrote. What I read said it was a quarter inch wide and flattened. <P>What might that kind of cord be used for normally and what is the benifit of using that kind of cord rather than twisted cord? <BR>

#1, The cord
Posted by jameson on Apr-01-02 at 09:20 AM
In response to message #0
I have some of it - - it is flat and feels almost waxed - like those slippery shoelaces that don't stay tied.<P>Why that cord as opposed to twine? If the person was using a slip knot, it would be more effective.<P>This person knew exactly what he was doing - he chose his tools carefully.

#2, Precisely.
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-01-02 at 10:20 AM
In response to message #1
>This person knew exactly what he was <BR>>doing - he chose his tools carefully. <BR>Yes. I think so.<BR>A circular cord would have slid up and down the neck and the force that was applied would be not only diminished but dissipated erratically.<P>This guy really knew what he was doing.<P>Unfortunately, its a bit like the Prosecutor's Nightmare when it comes to hate crimes: If a white man attacks a minority taken from a large crowd, the prosecutor can allege that it was a hate crime of some sort; whereas if a minority attacks one white person from a large crowd,,the allegation of 'hate crime' can be countered with 'selected a victim randomly' and chances favored the white person due to there having been fewer minorities.<P>So in cord selection, we are left with several alternatives:<P>Was it merely something lying around which turned out to be the best thing to use? Or was it simply picked by chance from among a wide variety of cords being sold? Or was it knowingly and carefully selected for its purpose?<P>The cord is sold at various Army/Navy Surplus stores and outdoor outfitter type stores. It is not some very rare item at all. <P>Rock climbing? Camping? Sailing? Equipment Stowage, such as in a Marina? Skydiving? Rescue work? Movie set construction? Displays and Exhibitions?(such as would also use duct tape).<P><P><BR>

#3, Garrotting has been used
Posted by Maikai on Apr-01-02 at 11:28 PM
In response to message #2
before in rape cases for control---by sickos that bring the victim in and out of consciousness....some have used it to kill. I think the guy knew what he was doing in that department---I don't necessarily think murder was the intent in the beginning. However, it is possible the crime was done in retaliation against JR for some perceived injury. Aspects of the crime show anger-retaliation--just difficult, IMO, to determine who the anger was directed at, or where it came from.

#7,
Posted by on Dec-- at 00: AM

#0, Cord
Posted by Joyce on Apr-01-02 at 03:29 AM
My simple question. The cord appears to be tubular nylon, what one might call, sheath woven. What exactly would that kind of cord be used for? It isn't cheap cord, that's for sure. I use nylon twine (twisted type) to tie up limbs and things to take to the dumpster and it is plenty strong enough for that. <P>A thicker cord (also twisted type) could've been used for the garrote yet it wasn't. So why choose expensive woven cord for a garrote unless it was something the perp used for other things? <BR>Yes it's strong, but stronger than needed to make a garrote. What I read said it was a quarter inch wide and flattened. <P>What might that kind of cord be used for normally and what is the benifit of using that kind of cord rather than twisted cord? <BR>

#1, The cord
Posted by jameson on Apr-01-02 at 09:20 AM
In response to message #0
I have some of it - - it is flat and feels almost waxed - like those slippery shoelaces that don't stay tied.<P>Why that cord as opposed to twine? If the person was using a slip knot, it would be more effective.<P>This person knew exactly what he was doing - he chose his tools carefully.

#2, Precisely.
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-01-02 at 10:20 AM
In response to message #1
>This person knew exactly what he was <BR>>doing - he chose his tools carefully. <BR>Yes. I think so.<BR>A circular cord would have slid up and down the neck and the force that was applied would be not only diminished but dissipated erratically.<P>This guy really knew what he was doing.<P>Unfortunately, its a bit like the Prosecutor's Nightmare when it comes to hate crimes: If a white man attacks a minority taken from a large crowd, the prosecutor can allege that it was a hate crime of some sort; whereas if a minority attacks one white person from a large crowd,,the allegation of 'hate crime' can be countered with 'selected a victim randomly' and chances favored the white person due to there having been fewer minorities.<P>So in cord selection, we are left with several alternatives:<P>Was it merely something lying around which turned out to be the best thing to use? Or was it simply picked by chance from among a wide variety of cords being sold? Or was it knowingly and carefully selected for its purpose?<P>The cord is sold at various Army/Navy Surplus stores and outdoor outfitter type stores. It is not some very rare item at all. <P>Rock climbing? Camping? Sailing? Equipment Stowage, such as in a Marina? Skydiving? Rescue work? Movie set construction? Displays and Exhibitions?(such as would also use duct tape).<P><P><BR>

#3, Garrotting has been used
Posted by Maikai on Apr-01-02 at 11:28 PM
In response to message #2
before in rape cases for control---by sickos that bring the victim in and out of consciousness....some have used it to kill. I think the guy knew what he was doing in that department---I don't necessarily think murder was the intent in the beginning. However, it is possible the crime was done in retaliation against JR for some perceived injury. Aspects of the crime show anger-retaliation--just difficult, IMO, to determine who the anger was directed at, or where it came from.

#4, Thematic Anger
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-02-02 at 12:15 PM
In response to message #3
Anger can be 'thematic' rather than having resulted from any personal interaction that took place on a prior occasion.<P>The examples I've used before: a sniper shooting an abortionist and a total nutcase who is enraged by JonBenet having been permitted to step on a sidewalk crack, do not in any way require some sort of "personal" grudge. The anger arises more from political issues than personal interaction.<BR>

#5, That's actually
Posted by Joyce on Apr-03-02 at 11:14 AM
In response to message #4
>Anger can be 'thematic' rather than having <BR>>resulted from any personal interaction that <BR>>took place on a prior occasion. <BR>><BR>>The examples I've used before: a sniper <BR>>shooting an abortionist and a total <BR>>nutcase who is enraged by JonBenet <BR>>having been permitted to step on <BR>>a sidewalk crack, do not in <BR>>any way require some sort of <BR>>"personal" grudge. The anger arises more <BR>>from political issues than personal interaction. <P>what I thought it was. Someone I used to know told me something once (when I didn't even ask - as I said before, I've been told things by others when I was just sitting and listening that perhaps they didn't even remember telling me later). Anyway, this guy told me he used to be a 'massagenest' (sp) (woman hater) but that he tried to get out of that by looking at little girls because "they were so pure" and all of that, and it occured to me that if this was him, that he could've seen JBR's image in the pagents as 'soiling' that 'pure' image of little girls. <P>I wrote to someone about my all of that long ago so this is just bringing some of it out into the open here. <P>IMO I can't see anyone as 'pure as the driven snow' but then I've lived longer than twenty years so that is why. Wont say how much longer, but longer. <P>

#6, Snow?
Posted by DonBradley on Apr-04-02 at 10:51 PM
In response to message #5
>I can't see anyone as 'pure as the driven snow' <BR>Most are as pure as the driven slush.<P><BR>

#7, The cord
Posted by jameson on Oct-29-02 at 11:13 AM
In response to message #6
I think it is right to note that the cord matched NOTHING in the Ramsey house and was never linked to the Ramseys at all.

It would appear the tape and cord and other things (rope, stun gun, Hi-Tec Boots)were carried into the house by the killer. That tells a lot about him - - and someone out in Boulder must have had some idea that this guy was involved - - his personality and things he owned... maybe things that went missing after the murder.


#,
Posted by on Dec-- at 00: AM