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20 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, I know
21 that the -- it is my belief, I should say,
22 that the fact that certain people have
23 represented to you that there are stun gun
24 injuries to your daughter is a significant
25 fact.

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1 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
2 Q. And I am curious, if you don't
3 mind, could you just tell us who has
4 provided you information in that regard that
5 has caused you to hold the belief that she
6 has suffered a stun gun injury?
7 MR. WOOD: That would be
8 information provided to him subsequent to
9 June of 1998?
10 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
11 MR. WOOD: Do you understand the
12 question, John? I know what you said in
13 June of 1998, but he is talking about since
14 the time of your last interviews. If you've
15 got anything else.
16 Let me ask him a question.
17 (Mr. Ramsey and his counsel
18 confer.)
19 THE WITNESS: We had, under
20 the -- kind of the direction of Pat Burke a
21 group of experts assembled to look at the
22 medical, from the scientific and medical
23 aspects of this, and that was one of the
24 things, I believe, that they looked at.
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1 Dr. Sperry?
2 A. Well, that would be one of the
3 names. There were two to three. I don't
4 remember the other names because I never met
5 them, but these are the people we offered to
6 have meet with you in January.
7 Q. Right, right. Were you provided
8 information from those folks that told you
9 that one of the things that they examined
10 were photographs of the reported stun gun
11 injuries, ask Mr. Sperry and his colleagues
12 if he had --
13 A. I don't, I don't remember what
14 they said, I guess. I never talked to him
15 directly. You know --
16 MR. WOOD: Bruce, as indicated
17 by your question, you all have now an
18 interest in the information from those
19 individuals and would like to reconsider the
20 request to meet with them which you earlier
21 rejected, again, I think I am pretty sure
22 that I can speak with Pat Burke and that
23 that can be done. As indicated by your
24 question, you are obviously interested in
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1 give them to you.
2 THE WITNESS: My position on stun
3 guns is that the people that have told me
4 that this was likely the case seemed pretty
5 qualified.
6 MR. LEVIN: But that, I am sorry,
7 Michael.
8 Q. (By Mr. Levin) But that, just a
9 follow up so I am clear, that information is
10 not from this group that was put together
11 after '98. That is some other individuals
12 that precede your June '98 interviews?
13 A. Well, the first time the stun gun
14 came up was in a meeting with Lou Schmidt
15 and Tom was there. I don't remember.
16 MR. WICKMAN: Pete Hoster?
17 MR. LEVIN: Ainesworth?
18 THE WITNESS: And he asked me to
19 keep it very confidential but did we have,
20 did we know anybody that owned a stun gun.
21 That is the first I heard about it. But
22 that was probably in '97.
23 MR. WICKMAN: Yeah.
24 Q. (By Mr. Levin) And since your
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1 of a significant period of time, have you
2 come up with names of people you know that
3 have, that you were associated with, which
4 you know owned stun guns that were unfamiliar
5 with --
6 A. Not the -- I mean, my answer to
7 that back then was I don't know of anybody
8 that I know that owns a stun gun, and I
9 still don't. I mean, we have come up with
10 guys like Helgoth who we know owned the
11 brand that was a suspect, but --
12 MR. KANE: Let me follow up on
13 that.
14 Q. (By Mr. Kane) have you talked to
15 Lou Schmidt about the stun gun after he
16 resigned from the case?
17 MR. WOOD: After he resigned from
18 the case would have been?
19 MR. KANE: Would have been
20 September of 1998.
21 MR. LEVIN: '99?
22 MR. WOOD: '98.
23 MR. KANE: '98.
24 MR. LEVIN: '98.
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1 he still believes it's very significant.
2 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Now, you said that
3 you hadn't talked to any of the experts that
4 had looked at it. What information did you
5 get, if any, from these people?
6 A. I think the most significant piece
7 of information, that they felt that the blow
8 to the head was after she had died or near
9 death.
10 Q. I am now talking about the stun
11 gun.
12 A. Oh, about the stun gun?
13 Q. Yes.
14 A. I don't remember that they told
15 me anything about the stun gun that I didn't
16 already know, I mean, that I was aware of.
17 Q. What are you aware of, I guess,
18 is the question, about the stun gun?
19 A. Well, I was aware that it was
20 highly likely that one was used, which is a
21 very distressing fact. I learned, and I
22 think I heard this in the media, it might
23 have been Carol McCane, I don't remember,
24 said something about there were burn marks on
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1 not.
2 Q. But you don't know of any experts
3 that say that?
4 THE WITNESS: No, I don't.
5 MR. WOOD: Because of what's
6 obviously of interest on your all's part, I
7 take it you would all be receptive with
8 meeting with them now? Are you interested
9 in hearing what they want to say? I assume
10 you would want us to arrange that, Bruce?
11 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
12 something we can talk about. There are
13 issues are surrounding those people that
14 isn't germane to our talking to Mr. Ramsey
15 at this time that maybe you and I can talk
16 about in the future.

As far as I know, Kane and Company never met with the experts who did this work.... I think they didn't want to know. They seemed interested in getting certain statements that could be twisted - JMO. Comments?

I am going to go to bed now and will do more tomorrow - first John then Patsy - let everyone see what happened in those 2000 interviews. Let everyone see that the BPD had plenty of work to do, plenty of opportunities to do more with the Ramseys. I am so glad the case is not in their hands now.

(If people aren't interested in discussing this - - if the threads aren't active, I won't bother, so please, let us know what you think. Make the threads productive. The forum is only as good as the participants - - so be good!)