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22 Q. Okay. Thank you. We received
23 from your lawyers in January of '97 two
24 black shirts which we received really
25 without -- 27
1 MR. BECKNER: January of '98.
2 MR. LEVIN: January of '98. I
3 am sorry.
4 Q. (By Mr. Levin) January of 1998.
5 It was in response to Boulder Police
6 Department's request for the shirt that you
7 are wearing in the photographs from Christmas
8 at the White's house. And they were given
9 to us without explanation of how they got
10 into their possession. I thought you could
11 explain that for us.
12 A. Well, I assume they were the
13 shirts that, when we were asked to provide
14 the clothing we had on that night before, we
15 couldn't remember. We asked for a picture
16 that was taken that night so we could
17 remember. As far as I know, those are the
18 only shirts that we sent.
19 Q. And that was in response to our
20 request --
21 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
22 Q. -- for the clothing that you were
23 wearing?
24 A. I suspect it was, yes.
25 Q. What I would like you, if you
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1 recall, did you personally retrieve it, send
2 it off to your lawyers, and, if so, where
3 did you retrieve it from?
4 A. Gosh, I don't know. It would be
5 in December of '98, we were living in
6 Atlanta.
7 MR. TRUJILLO: Actually December
8 of '97.
9 MR. WOOD: I think the request
10 for the clothing was made in December of
11 '97, a year after the murder.
12 THE WITNESS: Oh, yes, December
13 of '97, yeah, yeah.
14 MR. WOOD: And you turned it over
15 in January of '98.
16 MR. LEVIN: I believe that is
17 correct, sir.
18 THE WITNESS: We still lived in
19 Atlanta. So it was either in a box or in
20 my closet, I suppose.
21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Do you recall,
22 when, on September the 28th, when your
23 sister-in-law Pam went over to retrieve some
24 items for the family, was that among the
25 items that she took out of the house?
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1 A. December?
2 Q. 28th, 1996. That Saturday
3 before -- that Saturday after the murder.
4 A. I don't know.
5 Q. So just so I am clear, your best
6 recollection is that that was an item that
7 was in the house that was packed up by the
8 movers that was sent off?
9 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
10 Q. You provided us with two shirts.
11 One of them had a collar, it's a wool shirt
12 made in Israel. The other one did not have
13 a collar. Do you have a belief as to which
14 one was the actual shirt that you were
15 wearing on Christmas '96?
16 A. I don't remember, I guess. And
17 if I -- well, I think the issue, if I
18 recall was I couldn't remember which one, so
19 I think we sent you both. But I mean, I'd
20 have to look at pictures, I guess, to
21 compare. I don't remember that far back.
22 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I take it, and
23 correct me if I am wrong, please, that the
24 fact that you sent two shirts as opposed to
25 one indicated you were not certain which of
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1 the two you were wearing?
2 A. Well, I think that's what we did,
3 but I don't, I mean, I don't remember
4 exactly the logic. I know that we were
5 asked about shoes, and the picture didn't
6 even show shoes, so I couldn't remember what
7 shoes we had on. So was it to send all my
8 shoes or one hundred percent sure.
9 Q. Those items of evidence, did you
10 continue, after the clothing was moved down
11 to Atlanta, after you moved to Atlanta, did
12 you continue to wear them? Were they
13 laundered? Were they -- one of them was
14 wool. I assume that would be dry cleaned.
15 Do you have any recollection in that regard?
16 A. No, I don't.
I am remembering the reason for the 2000 meetings - to go over new stuff - share information. Seems to me the Ramseys were being put on the grill instead.
I don't know what I wore a month ago - let alone a year ago. I don't use the dry cleaner much but I couldn't go through my closet and say with certainty what clothes I washed and put away 2 or 3 weeks ago. How was John supposed to remember what happened in 1996, 1997, 1998 - - this was in 2000!
The Ramseys sent it all in - - seems pretty cooperative to me.