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18 Q. Mrs. Ramsey, you told us that the
19 red coat that we showed you in the
20 photograph, that you didn't paint with it, to
21 the best of your recollection?
22 A. To the best of my recollection.
23 Q. And you have told investigators
24 before that, as the holiday season began,
25 that the painting equipment which is normally

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1 kept in the butler's pantry was transferred
2 to the basement by Ms. Hoffman Pugh. Do you
3 remember that?
4 MR. WOOD: Why don't you give her
5 the statement so she can look at that. You
6 now are directly asking her to reaffirm
7 something she's already apparently said.
8 MR. LEVIN: I didn't think it was
9 a matter of discussion. Let me ask a second
10 question.
11 MR. WOOD: I don't know whether
12 it is or not, Bruce, but I mean, it is not,
13 apparently by the nature of your question,
14 something new. You already have gotten the
15 information from a question, so --
16 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Let me just, let
17 me just ask another question. We will just
18 drop that one.
19 At the time of JonBenet's death,
20 your painting supplies were found in the
21 basement. Did you ever paint in the
22 basement?
23 A. No.
24 Q. When you were helping JonBenet get
25 ready for bed, were you still wearing the

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1 red coat -- excuse me, the red, black, and
2 gray coat?
3 MR. WOOD: Well, from what I saw,
4 it looked like the red and black jacket.
5 THE WITNESS: I don't remember.
6 MR. WOOD: The one we have been
7 discussing that Mr. Kane had a picture of.
8 THE WITNESS: I don't remember.
9 MR. WOOD: Did you get your
10 answer?
11 MR. LEVIN: Yes, I did.
12 Q. (By Mr. Levin) I believe you
13 said you don't remember.
14 Was that the outer coat that you
15 were wearing Christmas, or did you have a
16 heavier coat that you wore on top of that?
17 MR. WOOD: For outdoors?
18 MR. LEVIN: For outdoors.
19 THE WITNESS: I don't remember.
20 I think, I think that was the only one I
21 wore. Because we were in the car and out,
22 but I don't remember exactly.
23 MR. MORRISSEY: Mrs. Ramsey, I am
24 sorry to interrupt you. Before you get
25 going too far, when was the last time you

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1 remember using the paint set?
2 THE WITNESS: Oh, god. Oh, you
3 know, probably that fall sometime, I --
4 MR. WOOD: Do you remember that,
5 Patsy? Be sure of your answer.
6 THE WITNESS: No, I don't
7 remember the last time I used it.
8 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) Right. I am
9 not asking for a date.
10 A. Yeah.
11 Q. A season.
12 A. Yeah.
13 Q. And you indicate the fall? I
14 don't want to put words in your mouth.
15 A. Well, the last time I used it was
16 in conjunction with this art class that I
17 signed up to, and I can't remember when that
18 was exactly from CU. And all of my stuff
19 was there in the butler's pantry. But then
20 the holidays came, we needed that space, and
21 we moved all of the junk to the basement.
22 Q. Once it was moved to the
23 basement, you never hauled it up and painted
24 or anything? You never used it again?
25 A. No.

Seems to me K&C was trying to find some way to say fibers from the jacket could not have been in the paint tote - - seems to me they failed.