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24 MR. WOOD: It's just not fair for
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1 haggle back and forth.
2 Let me say this, Michael, it
3 makes no sense to me at all that you don't
4 want to finish with Patsy.
5 MR. KANE: It makes no sense at
6 all --
7 MR. WOOD: Make your record.
8 MR. KANE: It makes no sense to
9 me at all that you were going to object when
10 we ask the question that could have been
11 ask -- is this not what your objection is?
12 Please. Tell me.
13 I think you have raised three
14 objections. We already went over the first
15 one, nothing that was covered before. But
16 the other two objections that you've raised
17 are nothing that involved information that
18 was available in June of '98 but that we
19 didn't ask a question about.
20 In other words, we are not going
21 to get a second bite of the apple, something
22 that could have been asked in June of 1998.
23 Is that your objection? Is that how you are
24 interpreting that?
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1 MR. KANE: Is it or isn't it?
2 Because if it's not the way you are
3 interpreting it, let me ask the question.
4 MR. WOOD: I told you I accepted
5 on the face of what Chief Beckner asked us
6 to do, and I think he put it in writing and
7 I answered him back and said it, and this
8 whole idea was to deal with new questions
9 based on information developed since June of
10 1998.
11 MR. KANE: Right. And that's --
12 MR. WOOD: Now, that's what you
13 asked us to come here to do. John and
14 Patsy directed me to agree to that. That's
15 what they came in here prepared to do. It
16 seems like what's happened is you would like
17 to do more than that, and now you are upset
18 with me because I won't say okay, let's go
19 beyond what you asked for and they were
20 prepared to do.
21 MR. KANE: That's all I am saying
22 is we have a disagreement. We have a
23 disagreement.
24 MR. WOOD: Why are you stopping
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1 object to 10 questions out of the next 100.
2 You will get 90 answers, Michael. Don't you
3 want those 90?
4 MR. KANE: Lin, that's not what
5 you're --
6 MR. WOOD: You came out here, we
7 are ready to do it. Don't you want the
8 information?
9 MR. KANE: Absolutely. So why
10 are you raising objections?
11 MR. WOOD: Why are you abandoning
12 the ability to --
13 MR. KANE: All I'm saying is that
14 I don't even know why we are having this
15 discussion.
16 MR. WOOD: Because you stormed --
17 you threatened to storm out of the room and
18 leave. You were packing your bag.
19 MR. KANE: We are having this
20 discussion because you said just a minute ago
21 that it's your understanding that we only had
22 one more area to cover, and I am telling
23 you, and I'm telling you --
24 MR. WOOD: I misunderstood what
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1 slightly to my defense in what I thought he
2 told me was not unreasonable.
3 CHIEF BECKNER: No, it is not.
4 MR. WOOD: It is not.
5 MR. KANE: Okay. That's fine.
6 That's fine. But all I am saying to you is
7 that that is not the case with me. Is that
8 I have a lot of other questions, but if you
9 are not going to, if you are going -- let
10 me finish.
11 If you are going to interpret
12 that, because it's not clear, if you are
13 going to interpret that to mean that no
14 question that could have been asked but
15 wasn't, then I have no further questions in
16 that area, particularly when the third
17 objection that you have raised is that we
18 now have to explain what the relevance of a
19 question is to further the investigation,
20 which was the last objection that you raised.
21 So given that, given that, those
22 conditions, no, there is nothing further that
23 we have of her.
24 Okay? I mean, now we've made our
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1 MR. WOOD: Well, I didn't come
2 here to make a record.
3 MR. KANE: That's exactly what
4 you said, that you want to make a record.
5 MR. WOOD: Well, I didn't come
6 here to make a record.
7 MR. KANE: Neither did I. I
8 came here to ask questions.
9 MR. WOOD: I may be forced to
10 make a record, which apparently I have been
11 forced to do so, but I didn't came here to
12 do it. I came here to present John and
13 Patsy Ramsey to you and the other six
14 interrogators to ask your questions and get
15 answers to move this investigation forward.
16 Okay?
17 Now, I thought it was very clear
18 what the request was. We spent some time
19 clarifying it. It's documented. It seems
20 to me that there shouldn't be any fighting
21 over it. Maybe it's not what you thought
22 coming in, Michael. Maybe you wanted more,
23 but that's not what I was asked to give, and
24 that's not what my clients came prepared to
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1 thought and my clients thought, even though I
2 had my lawyer concerns, that they thought it
3 was reasonable and they would come here to
4 help.
5 I didn't make an objection about
6 Burke's security. I asked a question. And
7 I think it's a fair question. You could
8 have said, Mr. Wood, I am not going to
9 answer your question, and you could have
10 forged on --
11 MR. KANE: Which I did, and you
12 still didn't let her answer it. 250
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13 MR. WOOD: I really think, I
14 really -- I don't think you're going to
15 find --
16 MR. LEVIN: Just hang on a
17 minute.
18 MR. WOOD: -- where I instructed
19 Patsy not to answer that question. I think
20 what happened is you took off after me
21 because you didn't like me asking you the
22 question.
23 MR. KANE: Whatever.
24 MR. WOOD: I just, I hear
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1 all due respect, it makes no sense to me,
2 when we're here and Patsy is here, you
3 brought six people out from Colorado -- well,
4 six from Colorado, one from Pennsylvania, and
5 you say you got other subject matters.
6 Let's ask her the questions.
7 If you -- look, so what if
8 something comes up that as a lawyer I feel I
9 have to give her instruction to protect my
10 client's interests or to do what I think is
11 fair in terms of the parameters of the
12 agreement. You can't deny me that right.
13 It doesn't mean that you're still not going
14 to get information about things to do with
15 this investigation that I think you would
16 want to have.
17 But you are saying, Mr. Wood,
18 unless you agree to let her answer every
19 question, even if you think it's unfair or
20 outside the scope of the agreement, we are
21 not going to ask her any questions. That,
22 Michael, makes no sense to me, and I don't
23 think it makes sense to any reasonable
24 person.

I agree, Lin - - let's get to questions that will advance the investigation and identify the killer.