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Topic ID: 59
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#0, Patsy in Atlanta 15 - Burke's security
Posted by jameson on Nov-09-03 at 06:32 PM
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22 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Mrs. Ramsey, after
23 the homicide, I mean, you mentioned several
24 times in the book on several occasions where
25 you wondered if the killer was watching you

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1 or following you. You know, I think you
2 described one time when you had some cable
3 that was cut at your house by some workmen
4 and the lights were out or something like
5 that, and Mr. Ramsey wondered if the killer
6 might be in there.
7 I mean, you had a concern about
8 this person being out there and coming after
9 you and your family after the homicide?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. All right. And I take it your
12 biggest concern was for Burke; is that
13 correct?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. All right. And you got -- there
16 were some security arrangements for Burke
17 when he went back to school, I believe, at
18 the end of January. Were you involved in
19 those discussions --
20 A. Absolutely.
21 Q. -- of the security arrangements?
22 Do you remember who those took place with or
23 where they took place?
24 A. At the High Peak School, we made
25 arrangements for Tracy Temple to be in there.

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1 She is with a security company in Colorado.
2 There were also parent volunteers who sat
3 outside the classroom and basically watched
4 him at all times.
5 Q. All right. And so you wanted to
6 have security in the school in case somebody
7 were to come in and try to do harm to
8 Burke?
9 A. And we set up a 911 system. The
10 teacher, I believe the teacher and one of
11 the parents would always have a little
12 medallion that they could press in an
13 emergency.
14 Q. Why was Tracy Temple only hired
15 for one week?
16 MR. WOOD: Why was she what?
17 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Why was Tracy
18 Temple only employed for one week to be at
19 the school?
20 A. Well, we wanted her to stay
21 longer, but the school felt like it was a
22 disruption to the children.
23 Q. So it was the school's decision,
24 not yours?
25 A. Yes. So we compromised and had

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1 the Burke watch set up.
2 Q. Why did you insist that Ms.
3 Temple be inside the classroom rather than
4 out in the hall?
5 A. She wasn't in the classroom.
6 Q. No, no, no. Why did you -- but
7 there was discussion that you had with the
8 school authorities that Tracy be allowed to
9 be inside the classroom, and the school
10 authorities objected to that. Do you recall
11 that?
12 MR. WOOD: Do you represent that
13 as fact?
14 MR. KANE: Yeah, that's a fact.
15 THE WITNESS: I don't, I --
16 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Do you remember
17 that?
18 A. I don't remember that.
19 Q. Okay. What was your concern? I
20 mean, what was in your mind when you were
21 trying to construct these security
22 arrangements with the 911 thing, with
23 Ms. Temple, with the moms and all? What was
24 the scenario you had in mind that you were
25 trying to protect against?

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1 A. One of my children had just been
2 brutally murdered in the sanctity of our
3 home. I have one remaining child, and I
4 didn't want him let out of my sight. I
5 didn't want him to return to school. I
6 didn't want to return to Boulder. I was
7 frightened for all of our safety.
8 Then it became apparent that it
9 would be in Burke's best interest to be back
10 in a routine in his normal environment with
11 his friends, and I saw the benefit of that.
12 And I said the only way I will let him go
13 is that if there is a great deal of security
14 put in place.
15 Q. And that's why you hired
16 professionals such as Tracy Temple?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. I think Ellis Armistead also had
19 some involvement in that; correct?
20 A. Well, together or somehow they
21 installed that wiring system and all that
22 kind of stuff.
23 Q. Why did you allow Burke to go to
24 school without a guard and have Susan Stein
25 transport him?

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1 A. Well, Susan had the medallion.
2 The medallion was in Burke's proximity at any
3 given time.
4 Q. That medallion worked in the
5 school, it was tied into something in the
6 principal's office; is that correct?
7 A. Right, right.
8 Q. So on the way to school it
9 wouldn't work. Why did you allow her to go
10 without any security and against Tracy
11 Temple's advice, as a matter of fact, to be
12 transported to and from school when he was
13 most vulnerable?
14 A. Well, he left the garage in a
15 locked car and drove straight to school and
16 then was escorted into the school.
17 Q. You didn't have any concerns about
18 somebody at a stop sign?
19 MR. WOOD: Mr. Kane, Michael --
20 MR. KANE: What is the objection
21 now?
22 MR. WOOD: I just wonder what
23 does this have to do with the investigation
24 into finding who killed JonBenet Ramsey?
25 MR. KANE: The very fact that I'm

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1 asking it means it has something to do with
2 it.
3 MR. WOOD: What?
4 MR. KANE: I don't have to, I
5 don't have to, if you're now going to make
6 me justify every question that I ask, now
7 we're so, you know, in the very beginning,
8 Lin, you sent a letter --
9 MR. WOOD: Don't point.
10 MR. KANE: I am not. I am just
11 emphasizing. You sent a letter --
12 MR. WOOD: I point sometimes.
13 MR. KANE: You know, this is
14 nothing personal. You are doing your job
15 and I am doing mine.
16 In the very beginning you sent a
17 letter to us, and you laid down this fair
18 and objective, as long as these questions are
19 fair and objective you'll answer, and I wrote
20 back to you, I wrote a letter back, and
21 within five minutes of you getting that
22 letter off your fax machine, you were on the
23 phone with me. And then the next thing you
24 said --
25 MR. WOOD: You know, I wrote a

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1 letter to Chief Beckner, which I would be
2 glad to make part of this record, and then I
3 got a letter from you, and I called you.
4 MR. KANE: That's right. And we
5 spoke about that the next day.
6 MR. WOOD: We talked for over an
7 hour and a half.
8 MR. KANE: And the next day you
9 wrote another letter saying that there would
10 be no conditions on this interview.
11 MR. WOOD: Now, wait a minute.
12 MR. KANE: Oh, yes, you did.
13 MR. WOOD: I didn't impose any
14 conditions.
15 MR. KANE: You are now. Now
16 you're asking me what's the purpose of me
17 asking a question. That's a condition.
18 MR. WOOD: No, it's not.
19 MR. KANE: What do you call it?
20 MR. WOOD: Just what it was.
21 I asked you a question.
22 MR. KANE: And I'm saying I don't
23 have to explain my purpose. I am asking the
24 question.
25 MR. WOOD: Mr. Kane --

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1 MR. KANE: If you don't want to
2 answer the question, don't answer it, but I
3 don't have to justify the question.

We all know that this is not going to tell investigators who killed JonBenét - this is simply badgering and upsetting the witness - wasting time and making sure the Ramseys will not feel like they are partners with LE trying to solve this crime.

I understand that Kane was trying to make a record here - Burke went to school - he didn't have an armed body guard. The BORG could say that was because the parents knew there was no killer - they could also say the teachers were advised not to wear green on Thursdays because it was an unlucky thing to do.

This was a waste of time - - I knew that the first timeI watched the tapes and I was a bit upset - - but just wait until you see what Kane pulls out of his hat - - it comes soon.