Q. Do you, again, I'm sorry if I didn't hear you or understand you earlier, you don't know whether
any search warrant was ever issued with respect to Chris Wolf, do you, firsthand knowledge or you
have none and hearsay otherwise you have not heard of any search warrant?

A. I know Steve Ainsworth was out there, I believe. And there was some discussion regarding that,
but I don't know if he was out there by way of a search warrant or not, I would doubt it.

Q. Do you know what was done with the pillow case that Jackie Dilson brought to the Boulder
Police Department when you first met with her?

A. Actually, she didn't come to the Boulder Police Department. We met her at a third-party
location.

Q. Where was that?

A. The office of her attorney.

Q. Did you all ever ask her to submit to any type of mental health examination?

A. Jackie Dilson?

Q. Yes.

A. Not that I'm aware of.

Q. What was your basis for concluding that she was mentally instable -- unstable?

A. Ten or 11 years of police work in dealing with thousands of people, but beyond that I think the
transcript of that exchange and some of what I have earlier mentioned about Third World conspiracies
led me to that conclusion.

Q. Do you have any formal training in psychology?

A. No.

Q. Do you have any formal training in psychiatry?

A. No.

Q. Do you have any license to conduct mental health examinations?

A. No.

Q. You told me that you all met at a third party's office but you didn't tell me what I wanted to know
and, that is, do you know what was done with the pillow case that Jackie Dilson presented to the
Boulder police when you first met with her?

A. If my recollection is accurate, I believe Detective Gosage took custody and maintained that chain
on that piece of aforementioned rope. But I do not know whether or not he took the pillow case.

Q. And you don't know firsthand or secondhand, hearsay or otherwise if any testing was ever done
on the pillow case, forensic testing; is that right?

A. When you mentioned hearsay or third hand, again, it was my understanding that she delivered to
the Boulder County district attorney's office and their investigators a number of items subsequent to our
meeting.

(jameson comment - - I am going to try to divide these things up and put the bits on threads that are related so the deposition will not be "in order" here. When I post the whole thing in one place it will be in order.)