Q. How did -- how did Chris Wolf first become a suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder
investigation, Mr. Thomas? A. Through a citizen informant.
Q. And who was that citizen informant?
A. Jackie Dilson.
Q. Tell me your recollection of what Jackie Dilson did that resulted in Mr. Wolf becoming a suspect
in the Ramsey murder investigation.
A. I participated in a meeting with Jackie Dilson in which she offered an account with some dubious
issues on the front end. She offered a piece of physical evidence that was exculpatory to Mr. Wolf.
There were questions surrounding her stability and mental condition. Nonetheless, we investigated Mr.
Wolf over a period of approximately 12 to 15 months, during which time Ms. Wolf's --
MR. DIAMOND: Ms. Wolf?
A. I'm sorry, Ms. Dilson's accounts grew increasingly suspicious by way of making admissions and
information known to us in a less than timely fashion. And then continuing to supply information that
became increasingly void of credibility, including linking Access Graphics and Lockheed Martin in some
conspiracy involving arms sales to "Third World countries and Chris Wolf planting by way of this
conspiracy somehow a stun gun video inside the Ramsey home. Additionally, she tried to implicate Mr.
Wolf in other crimes, including another homicide, and another individual or team of detectives were
assigned to attempt a different tact with Mr. Wolf and were successful in gaining his compliance and
cooperation, and I was made aware that they subsequently internally cleared him from involvement in
the Ramsey matter.
MR. DIAMOND: Before you ask him the next question, may I have a minute with the witness?
MR. WOOD: If we note on the record the time and it's not charged against us.
VIDEO TECHNICIAN: The time is 10:17. We're going off the record.
MR. WOOD: We don't have to go off the record.
VIDEO TECHNICIAN: Oh, never mind. We're still on the record.
MR. DIAMOND: Go ahead.
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) Had you completed your answer?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, if I am hearing you, yougave me kind of a general overview of theChris Wolf matter as
pertains to JackieDilson that apparently she came to you as acitizen informant, the Boulder
PoliceDepartment, provided information and then as that information was investigated, apparently you,
perhaps others, felt that it was not necessarily credible and had suspicions about it as it pertains to
Jackie Dilson, am I right?
A. If you're asking me were there questions about Jackie Dilson's credibility, yes.
Q. But you didn't know that the first day you met her, I mean you accepted on face value the
information and you followed up on it to investigate Mr. Wolf, true?
A. No, no, other detectives and myself who were present at that immediately had serious questions
about her stability and credibility.
Q. But not so much so that you did not follow up on it, true?
A. We followed up on dozens of such suspects who came to us by way of citizen information.
Q. We know it is true that Chris Wolf was a Boulder Police Department suspect in the JonBenet
Ramsey investigation, right?
A. You used the word suspect. That was always an issue inside the police department who would
and wouldn't be on this proverbial suspect list. But as we sit here today, certainly he, among many
others, I considered a suspect in the case.
Q. And you later learned that the district attorney's office viewed Mr. Wolf as a suspect, true?
A. True in that, after the fact, I came to learn that they were conducting some investigation that I
had been previously unaware of.
Q. It is clear from your involvement that Mr. Wolf became a suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey
murder investigation as a result of Jackie Dilson, true?
A. Yes.
Q. Several months later, it was several months after January of 1997 before any information was
provided by the Ramsey -- John and Patsy Ramsey's investigators to law enforcement about Mr. Wolf;
is that true?
A. I'm sorry, give me that time line again, Mr. Wood.
Q. Yeah, several -- if this helps any at all as I understand it, and you may tell me you don't know or
you may agree with me, Steve Ainsworth started looking into Chris Wolf in August of 1997. Does that
coincide with your recollection?
A. No.
Q. When do you think Steve Ainsworth began to look at him?
A. June of 1997.
Q. Okay. Subsequent to that, the Ramseys' investigators began to provide some information to the
district attorney's office about Mr. Wolf; is that your understanding?
A. I have no personal knowledge of what the Ramsey investigators were or weren't doing.
Q. They didn't provide you with any information about Mr. Wolf, did they?
A. Me personally, no, not that I'm aware of.
Q. Are you aware of any information that the Ramsey investigators provided to the Boulder Police
Department about Mr. Wolf?
A. I can't speak for others, but certainly none came to me directly.
Q. You were operating from the standpoint that you were following up on Ms. Dilson's information
and developing and investigating that information and any leads or other areas that your investigation
might take you with respect to Chris Wolf, true?
A. Mr. Wolf, if I understand it correctly, if you're asking me if I was following up on information that
Dilson was --
Q. Mr. Wood. That's okay.
A. I'm sorry, Mr. Wood, that Ms. Dilson was providing regarding Chris Wolf, yes, I was doing that.
Q. You said when she first came to you she provided you with a piece of exculpatory evidence.
What was that?
A. From a pillow case, Ms. Dilson produced a length of rope that was immediately visually
inconsistent to the persons present with the murder ligature in the homicide case.
Q. Well, now how is that exculpatory. You're saying it wouldn't be incriminating but how does it as
a piece of evidence prove to be exculpatory of Mr. Wolf?
A. It may be a choice of words on my behalf but she did not produce us -- or produce any physical
evidence that incriminated him. There was nothing that she produced that evening by way of physical
evidence that included him in the running, so to speak.
Q. That would be a better way of phrasing it than to say it was exculpatory, wouldn't you agree?
A. I won't quibble with you on that, Mr. Wood.
Q. I don't want you to quibble with me. I want you to tell me whether it's a more accurate statement
that the evidence that she presented to you with respect to the rope did not incriminate Mr. Wolf, but
nor did it prove to be itself exculpatory of Mr. Wolf, is that accurate?
A. Okay. True, sure.