Q. Has Fleet White ever made any statement to you about his opinion on who killed JonBenet
Ramsey?

A. Mr. White has always been very careful with his language around me, as is his wife and I don't
know that I could sit here and say today that he has come out and made a declaration as to who he
believes killed JonBenet Ramsey. But the tone and inferences of some of these conversations made it
fairly clear to me.

Q. You think you understood from the tone and inferences what he was trying to say but not saying
directly; is that your testimony?

A. I think I believe that I know who Fleet has in mind as the offender in this case.

Q. Why don't you just ask him?

A. I did not, that I recall, ask him outright who he thought did it.

Q. I mean, you've talked to him since you left the Boulder Police Department, haven't you?

A. Yes.

Q. When is the last time you talked with Fleet White?

A. I think I last saw them in probably July or August of 2000 and then again had a pleasant hallway
conversation in Jefferson County, Colorado, outside a courtroom in the last couple months.

Q. What was the nature of your seeing him in July of 2000?

A. A personal visit.

Q. Personal, but tell me, please, if you would, the nature of the visit?

A. I think I had finished a carpentry job up on -- in that part of the world and in the late afternoon or
early evening, drove by their house to say hello and they invited me to stay for dinner.

Q. Drinks?

A. I don't really drink.

Q. Whether you really drink or not -- most people either drink or they don't drink. I don't know about
I don't really drink. That sounds like you might occasionally take a glass of wine or drink, I don't
know. Do you?

A. I won't drink three beers in a year's time.

Q. Did you have a glass of wine with the Whites that night you had dinner?

A. No.

Q. Did they?

A. I don't know whether or not they had alcohol.

Q. How many times do you think you've seen them on a social basis since you left the department in
August of 1998?

A. Two or three maybe.

Q. And one was the dinner in July of 2000. What were the other two occasions?

A. Post resignation in August of '98, maybe a time or two in 1999, I'm not sure.

Q. What were the occasions? You had dinner one time. What were the other social occasions; do
you recall what they were?

A. That was the only time I ever ate with the people.

Q. What were the other social occasions, sir, what did you do with them?

A. Probably just stopped by their house and said hello. I didn't meet them at other locations.

Q. Do you consider Fleet and Priscilla White personal friends of yours?

A. I don't know how I would characterize these people who I have a lot of compassion for.

Q. Do you know what you consider someone -- do you know what it is to consider someone a
personal friend of yours?

A. Yes.

Q. Do they fall in that category or not?

A. It's an unusual characterization. I have never had a relationship with somebody that I met
wearing one hat and continued that in this context. So if you're asking me am I friendly and would I
consider myself friends with these people, yes.