Q. Thank you. All right. Now, you also -- I also asked about John Eller, who I know is technically
not a police chief, he was in charge of the investigation. Did John Eller ever express a belief or an
opinion that probable cause existed for the arrest of someone for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey? A. Yes.
Q. Can you tell me who that person was that he thought should or could be arrested -- actually I am
going to rephrase that. Withdraw the question. Did he ever name an individual that he thought could
be arrested for probable cause in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey?
A. Patricia Ramsey.
Q. Did he ever express that to you personally?
A. Yes.
Q. On more than one occasion?
A. Yes.
Q. Did he ever discuss why he thought probable cause existed for the arrest of Patricia Ramsey for
the murder of JonBenet Ramsey?
A. My belief that he, too, was sufficiently familiar with the facts and circumstances that were
sufficient to meet a threshold of probable cause and said that on occasion in the detective briefings that
spring of '97.
Q. Now, with respect to the district attorney, again I'm referring you back to page 14, you begin by
saying "The district attorney and his top prosecutor." Who was the top prosecutor you were referring
to?
A. Pete Hofstrom.
Q. Is it your testimony that Pete Hofstrom believed that probable cause existed for an arrest?
A. Yeah, absolutely. He conceded that there was probable cause but there were some sticking
points beyond that. But as to the issue of probable cause, yeah, that was his express conversation with
me that we had met that burden.
Q. So you actually had a conversation with Pete Hofstrom with respect to the issue of whether
probable cause existed?
A. Several times.
Q. And did he identify the person who he thought could be arrested for probable cause for the
murder of JonBenet Ramsey?
A. We were talking about it in connection with Patricia Ramsey. So I'm assuming he was -- it was
just a two-person conversation at times. So yes.
Q. Do you know whether or not the district attorney, Alex Hunter, ever expressed an opinion as to
whether or not probable cause existed for the arrest of someone in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey?
A. I'm told he did.
Q. So you, in fact, never heard Alex Hunter express an opinion with respect to that?
A. Only through, for example, Mark Beckner and Tom Wickman.
Q. Exactly what did Mark Beckner say with respect to his understanding of whatAlex Hunter said
regarding the issue of probable cause?
A. Very simply relaying to the detective team that Hunter was aware and knew and conceded that
fact.
Q. Conceded what fact?
A. The fact that probable cause existed for an arrest in this case.
Q. Did -- do you know if Alex Hunter ever identified the person as being the person for which
sufficient probable cause existed for an arrest in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey?
A. In the context of which it was being presented that's what we were talking about was the
possible arrest of Patsy Ramsey.
Q. I would like you to look at page 327 of your book, if you don't mind, please. And I refer you,
when you found that page, to the very last paragraph at the end of the page, beginning "Alex Hunter."
If you would just read that sentence, that one sentence.
A. "Alex Hunter said he thought Patsy Ramsey was involved."
Q. Okay. Did he actually -- did you actually hear him say that?
MR. WOOD: Hey, Darnay?
MR. HOFFMAN: I'm sorry, yes?
MR. WOOD: Can I ask you to put that sentence in context by having him complete the reading of the
next couple sentences.
MR. HOFFMAN: Sure, I'm sorry.
Q. (BY MR. HOFFMAN) Yes, would you, please, just --
MR. HOFFMAN: How many more sentences do you want him to read, Lin?
MR. WOOD: Just the next one. The next two.
Q. (BY MR. HOFFMAN) All right. Read the next one, please, Mr. Thomas.
MR. WOOD: Start from "Alex Hunter" and read down, if you would, through "demeanor."
A. "Alex Hunter said that he thought Patsy Ramsey was involved. That was more than offset by
comments from his staff."
Q. (BY MR. HOFFMAN) All right. Were you present when Alex Hunter said that?
A. Yes.
Q. You were. So you actually had an occasion to hear Alex Hunter express a belief with respect to
Patsy Ramsey's involvement in the case?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you know when that event was, when this statement was made?
A. May I look at the book for a moment and maybe it will --
Q. I have no problem with that.
A. Okay.
MR. HOFFMAN: I would just like the record to reflect that Mr. Thomas is, in fact, refreshing his
memory with respect to my question by looking at the book.
MR. WOOD: If I can help, it looks to me in context that would have been on one of the evenings in
June of 1998 following the interrogations. I don't know if Mr. Thomas agrees with that or not.
MR. DIAMOND: Who is testifying here?
MR. WOOD: I was trying to move it along. I would be glad to testify if you want to examine me on
another occasion, Mr. Diamond.
MR. DIAMOND: All right.
A. Mr. Hoffman, this was June of 1998.
Q. (BY MR. HOFFMAN) June of 1998. So you were actually present and heard him make a
statement to that effect; is that correct?
A. Yes.