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Q. Take a look, if you would, at page 45 of your book. Second -- actually, first full paragraph. "An
acquaintance said that JonBenet was rebelling against appearing in the child beauty contests. She was
being pushed into the pageants by her mother and grandmother, said the witness." Who is that
individual?

A. I believe that was Judith Phillips.

Q. Did you find Judith Phillips to be credible?

A. At times.

Q. At times she was not credible?

A. No, I think Judith Phillips, like many others in Boulder, were devastated by this crime and she had
tough moments, I'm sure.

Q. Do you think John and Patsy Ramsey had tough moments because they would have been devastated by the death of their daughter?

A. They certainly may have.