Q. There was clearly an indication from a member of the Boulder Police Department that they found
at least seven doors and windows unlocked at the Ramsey home on the morning of December 26,
1996. You remember that, don't you?

A. I've heard that referred to. I don't know -- what detective are you referring to?

Q. Have you heard that, sir? Has that not been part of a presentation made to you?

A. By Lou Smit or Mr. DeMuth?

Q. Either one.

A. What presentation are you talking about?

Q. There were two presentations, one in May and one in June. You attended both, true?

A. I did.

Q. You took notes, didn't you?

A. I may have.

Q. You paid careful attention to what was being said, didn't you?

A. I believe so.

Q. Have you ever heard that there were seven windows and doors found unlocked in the Ramsey
home on the morning of December 26, 1996?

A. I don't know who the source of that is right now but I --

Q. I didn't ask you the source. I asked you have you ever heard it, sir?

A. Yeah.

MR. DIAMOND: Have you heard that from any source?

A. Yeah.

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) From someone connected with the investigation, either in the district
attorney's office or the Boulder Police Department?

A. Or courtesy of you and the media, yeah, I believe I've heard that.

Q. Trust me, I wasn't there the morning of the 26th and I didn't find the status of the doors. I'm
asking you whether --

A. Nor was I, no.

Q. And I don't think I was around in May or June when the presentations were made. You heard
that a Boulder police officer had found as many as seven doors and windows unlocked in that house on
the morning of December 26, 1996, hadn't you, sir?

A. You're sourcing that to a -- now to a Boulder police officer detective and that's not my
recollection; DeMuth may have said that.

Q. Do you think Trip DeMuth made it up out of a whole cloth?

A. I don't know where Trip DeMuth uncovered a lot of things in his investigation.

Q. So you think that there was -- you feel like you can competently say that's not true, that there
were no doors found unlocked or windows found unlocked that morning?

A. I wasn't there that morning.

Q. Well, sir, you were not but you have to rely, as you say earlier in your testimony, on your fellow
officers, right?

A. That's right.

Q. All right. Well, did you go back and ever look to see if there were ever any reports that would
have indicated that there were as many as seven windows and doors found unlocked in that house that
morning?

A. I'm not familiar with the detective or the report you're speaking about.