Q. All right. In your description of how JonBenet Ramsey died, you have made it clear both in your
book and in your national television appearances that John Ramsey was not involved, right?

A. It's my belief that John Ramsey was not involved in this crime, you're right.

Q. Right. And that it was sometime, as I understand your description of the events, the next morning
when he was studying the ransom note that he became suspicious and perhaps concluded, you say,
that his wife was involved, right?

A. That's what I purport in my hypothesis.

Q. What did John Ramsey tell you about who went to bed first on the evening of December 25,
1996?

A. It's a big transcript. I would have to review it.

Q. You don't know that?

A. Who went to bed first?

Q. Yeah.

A. In the Ramsey family?

Q. Yeah, between John and Patsy.

A. I would have to review my report or I would have to review the transcript of that Q and A.

Q. How about do you know as you sit here today who got up first that morning?

MR. DIAMOND: According to John Ramsey?

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) What the Boulder Police Department concluded. In your -- let me tell you in
your description of how JonBenet Ramsey was killed, what was your position about whether Patsy
Ramsey was in bed or out of bed that morning when John Ramsey got up?

A. Well, without reviewing multiple transcripts and reports, I don't recall the......... the Ramseys
made several inconsistent statements --

Q. About who got up first?

A. If I could finish my answer.

Q. Well, if you could stay on track, it would be helpful.

MR. DIAMOND: Finish your answer.

MR. WOOD: Please make it responsive to my question about the issue about who got out of bed first
that morning.

MR. DIAMOND: If you find his answer to be non responsive, your remedy, I believe, under the
Federal Rules is to move to strike it and I believe that --

MR. WOOD: I appreciate you informing me of the Federal Rules. Now I know that you do know that
some of things you're doing is not in accordance with the Federal Rules in terms of your statements on
the record.

MR. DIAMOND: I'm only trying to do you a favor.

MR. WOOD: Thank you. I don't need your favors, but I appreciate them anyway.

MR. DIAMOND: Is the question withdrawn or can he finish his answer?

MR. WOOD: I want to go back and make sure we're on task by restating it. So I'll withdraw it and
restate it.

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) I'm asking you, Mr. Thomas, what was your position in your description of
this child's murder as to whether Patsy Ramsey was in bed or out of bed when John Ramsey woke the
morning of December 26, 1996?

A. From John Ramsey's account?

Q. I'm asking you, sir, what was your position in your description of this child's murder as to
whether Patsy Ramsey was in bed or out of bed when John Ramsey woke the morning of December
26th?

A. I believe I write in my hypothesis that she was out of bed.

Q. She would have to be, wouldn't she? If you believe that John Ramsey, as you say you do, is not
in any way involved, you would have to believe a couple of things, that she had not gone to bed when
John went to bed, and that when John woke up, she was already -- she was not in bed. And you
would have to believe one other thing, wouldn't you, detective, former detective, that John Ramsey
didn't hear the scream at midnight, right?

A. You have a series of five phrases and questions --

Q. Let me break them down one at a time. Listen carefully to me. Under your position of the
description of this child's murder, John Ramsey did not hear the screams described by Melody
Stanton, right?

A. He never indicated, as far as I know, that he heard the scream of a child.

Q. If he was as you say he was, totally uninvolved in the murder of his daughter, he didn't hear the
scream, did he, because if he had heard the scream, you would have expected that he would have
reacted to it or been certainly willing to tell you about it?

MR. DIAMOND: Objection. Argumentative. You may answer.

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) If he's innocent as you say he is?

MR. DIAMOND: Objection. Argumentative. You may answer.

A. One could speculate that he would have heard a scream from within the house.

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You will concede that in fact Melody Stanton may be right that the scream
occurred and that John Ramsey did not hear it, you would concede that as a possibility supported by
your description of the events, right?

A. It is a possibility, yes.

Q. And it is more consistent with your statements about John Ramsey's uninvolvement than it would
be consistent with the idea that he was involved; can we agree on that?

A. I don't understand your question.

MR. DIAMOND: I don't either.

Q. (BY MR. WOOD) Do you understand it, just so we make sure?

MR. RAWLS: Got it, I'm on it.

MR. WOOD: Thank you. I kind of figured that nobody on that side of the table would understand it
but everybody on this side would.

MR. DIAMOND: Can we ask Sean?

MR. SMITH: I think Sean has already taken his position that he doesn't understand any of my
questions. I've dealt with him too long. He's never going to acknowledge that any of them are
understandable.